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marqoz   
27 Feb 2010
Genealogy / Some Macedonian, Croatian, Serbian Second Names look Polish! [38]

Rakowski. It could be direct derivation from Racowie

Rakowski is patronymic from Rak or toponymic from Raki, Rakowo, Rakowa, Rakówka.
There is no slightest fonetical path to draw it from Racowie, sorry.
marqoz   
27 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Englishmen talk about money more so than Poles in my experience.

So Englishwomen who wrote a book about Englishmen's social behaviour was totally inaccurate. I suspected it. So I thank you. Goodnight and good luck, you bad hard boy. Sorry no kisses
marqoz   
27 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Poland signed and promptly began to prepare for Polish parliamentary elections in the region.

Good excuse for an invasion of a country.

If you stop this simplistic accusation-counteraccusation convention you can start to think how it all happened and maybe it will be better understood why both nations simplified facts and drove both countries to ruins so early.

Poles were in 2/3 of area of the Principality of Cieszyn in majority, however they were almost all from lower class, while upper classes were German and middle class and educated workforce Czech. Most of engineers in coal mines for example were of Czech origin. Some of Poles were emigrants from Galicia, and some Czech were emigrants from Bohemia and Moravia.

Poles perceived Czechs as immigrants supported by Germans in taking better job posts and blocking chance to advance for Polish workers. On the other side Czechs considered Poles as even worse immigrants and not educated at all louts. So ethnic division was redoubled by class divisions and alien-own xenophobia.

There were more turmoils in 1918-1920 with clubbers from both sides assaulting prominent activists from another party.

And looking from the Prague it was quite another story. They were granted with a country which had so big German minority that they simply didn't use an ethnic argument in territorial claims. They used a historic one. They were saying Bohemia, Moravia and whole Slezsko were Czech historic territories of the Crown of St. Wenzel.

While Poles wanted to make in Silesia an application of the self-determination (ethnic) rule according to Wilson's declaration. There was no common ground for discussion with so defined prerequisites. And there was a great distrust between both parties to break through the impasse. In the meantime there was blind trust in negotiating abilities in Entente.

Do you know how grateful the Poles were for our help in WWII? My grandad is still alive, he can tell you all about it. Care to listen?

Yeah. I do care. I want to see the other's point of view. If only spoken or written about facts and perceptions without insults and epithets.

Meanwhile your mother and father, brothers and sisters live in absolute poverty (which is the reason you left) not being able to even take £200 - 1200 PLN bank loan.

From where do you know Marek's family so well?
I was told Englishmen never talk about other's money.
You should shame.

Yet another Pole who lies about history!

I do kindly request for not calling me a liar, please.
It just looks like some battle between en.wiki and pl.wiki.
marqoz   
27 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

I ask Harry many times why he lies about Poles, and who is paying him to do it but I got accusations instead of explanations.
now as to you wroclaw boy heel you son of cowards

If you still be using such an accusations and epithets, nobody will read your posts and the sympathy of readers will go to Harry, even if he's a biased polonophobe and serves factoids instead of facts. So, please, stop!
marqoz   
27 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

You of course forget to mention that Poland had invaded Czechoslovakia in 1918 and 1919 and then broken the agreement it had signed regarding the disputed territory in 1919.

Harry as in most cases (not all however) missed some important facts again. The Polish-Czech conflict was started by Czechs in 23.01.1919 when Poles were engaged in the defense of Lwów, Greater Poland insurrection and in organizing their country.

It was Masaryk who made first ultimatum when he didn't recognize the armistice frontier line between Polish and Czech local national councils made in 5.11.1918 after the collapse of the Austro-Hungary. And it was Czech army which invaded this region and took almost whole of its territory, but they were stopped by Entente and the plebiscite was declared.

However Czech president Masaryk have more time to talk away Entente ministers than Polish one, because Poland was indeed fighting the Bolsheviks in 1920 when the final decision to cease most of disputed area to Czechoslovakia was declared 28.07.1920.

If they did wait to September, it could be another one.
marqoz   
27 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

he's a good alie

So you ask kindly for a smack too. ;-)

That's not a matter of ethnicity. I'm a Pole though I'm here to learn how foreigners and Poles from abroad see some things and let them know how I see it; not to evangelize or polonize, and in no case to cure someone's frustrations.

Is it the right place, or I misspelled an URL?
marqoz   
27 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Harry does need a good old smack, thats for sure.

Thanks. However one smack isn't enough, as we can see from his immediate next post.
marqoz   
27 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Precisely. What goes around, comes around and a person gets back what he gives out. After 21 years of invading, betraying, bullying and oppressing her neighbours, Poland found out that karma is a b!tch.

2010 Polonophobe of the Year Award goes to...

Harry

Standing ovulation please!
marqoz   
26 Feb 2010
History / Kashubians are nation in Poland? [123]

The problem is that they have started to murder Poles there...
They wouldn't if the borders had stayed as they were!

You're right BB, as they were in... 1772.
marqoz   
26 Feb 2010
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Swedish?

Bravo! Svenska indeed.

Nordöstersjökustartilleriflygspaningssimulatoranlägeningsmaterielunde rhållsuppföljningssystemdiskussioninläggförberedelsearbeten means just:

Preparation work to participate in a discussion on the base material support maintenance system for the coast artillery flight simulator in Northern Baltic.

and in Polish:
Prace przygotowawcze do udziału w dyskusji nad systemem utrzymania wsparcia materialnego symulatora nadzoru z powietrza dla artylerii nadbrzeżnej Północnego Bałtyku.
And was the longest word (130 chars) in the world acc to Guiness Book of Records.

And what about:
Hottentottenstottertrottelmutterbeutelrattenlattengitterkofferattentä ter?
marqoz   
26 Feb 2010
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

DOLOVITZ PIEKAKIN

Dolovitz could originate from Dołowicz - 106 persons in Poland have this surname:
The name looks like patronymic from Dołow or toponymic from Dołów, Dołowice, Dołowicze, Dół or Doły.

Piekakin looks like Russian name: Пекакин or in old Russian ortography: Пѣкакінъ, what - I guesstimate - could mean: 'someone who used to bake'. Good moniker for a baker.

When someone got a coat of arms from the king, was it confirmed by some royal urząd.

Old Poland had no heraldic authority.
It was royal prerogative to grant Polish nobility (nobilitatio) or to acknowledge foreign nobility (indigenatus). Polish noble families could also make a private adoption to their surname and coat of arms.

However the King or JKM (which is Polish abbreviation for His Majesty) could do it at his own discretion only to 1578.
The Constitutio of the Sejm (Polish Diet) limited these powers. Since then JKM could grant nobility only during the Sejm proceedings or in case of war. It was further restricted in 1613 when all grants were made possible only during the Sejm proceeding and only after the instruction of deputies or a hetman.

The grants were written in the [i]Metri
administered by The Royal Chancellor.

These inscriptiones are still there in
The Old Records Archives
agad.archiwa.gov.pl/pomoce/MK_inw.xml
in Warsaw and everybody can dig in this immense set of documents from 1414 - 1820. However Swedes, Russians and Saxons had stolen them, they were recovered.
marqoz   
26 Feb 2010
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

Does Tatarewicz derive from a tribe of mountain Jews/Tartars?

I don't think so.
The name looks like a patronymic - meaning a son of Tatar - from Tatar which was either a ethnonym (Tartar) of the forefather or his moniker. If he had even lightly slanted eyes or mongoloid forehead he could obviously be called Tatar. There are 184 persons in Poland with this surname:

How and when were surnames officially/legally assigned in old Poland?

Surnames in old Poland were not officially assigned. They were recognized.
If somebody wanted to write a record about his possession or declare an inheritance, he went to the gród (court) and made it written to the records. He declared himself by surname he used to be called.

Next: if he achieved some privilege from the king - he was addressed by the surname. Sometimes, especially if he was of the foreign origin, he was granted with a coat of arms and surname. Later if he wanted to prove his nobility, he produced all such evidences.

Assignments started in police states which occupied Polish territory after partitions.
marqoz   
26 Feb 2010
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher

And what about
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
You don't need any q'marks, dots & commas and it's still a valid sentence.
What a buffalo!

OK, I give up with this:
Nordöstersjökustartilleriflygspaningssimulatoranlägeningsmaterielunde rhållsuppföljningssystemdiskussioninläggförberedelsearbeten
And puzzle: what is the language of it?
marqoz   
26 Feb 2010
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

Suchowola might have been near the German border druing the partitions. I could find no Suchowola near today's German border.

In fact Suchowola is 28 km from pre-war Polish border with Eastern Prussia (Germany). Moreover this segment of German border was one of the most stable in European frontiers (from early 14. century to 1939). 28 km it's not so much - only 4 Polish miles.
marqoz   
25 Feb 2010
Genealogy / DOLOVITZ - LAST NAME; NEVER SEEN IN AMERICA [11]

Dolovitch, Dolovich, Dolowitsch, Dołowicz, Долович, Doloviè, Dolovièius, etc.

It should be something like that, I suppose:
Hungarian: Dolovics, Dolovicz
Hebrew: דלבץ
Yiddish: דאלאװיץ
marqoz   
24 Feb 2010
History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]

My advice for them is to stop eating at McDonald's and to put on their national dress before complaining about the influence of foreign culture.

Good point! We should say them it's all from Tusk Donald. They'll stop.

The Lithuanian emancipation started in late 1860s just after the failure of the last Polish rebellion (January Insurgence) in which 3,5 'languages' fought together against Muscovy. They were all Lithuanians but spoke 3 or 4 languages: Polish, Lithuanian, White-Ruthenian and few Yiddish. Lithuanian speakers had simply enough. They started to develop his own national identity. They even resigned from Polish alphabet to write his language and borrowed New-Czech one. Polish society was baffled and counterattacked stating it's a treason against common Homeland. Treason breeds treason and new Lithuanian irredenta started to make public happenings bringing before the tribunal of the Lithuanian people the old traitor Jogaila (king Władysław II Jagiełło).
marqoz   
24 Feb 2010
Language / Polish Swear Words [1242]

Once again Krawczuk missed the point. If it was from Mur/Mauer, why is it so popular in all Slavonic languages, even in these having no contact with German.

According to Linde (1808) is quite the opposite: murwa is to soften the word (or to replace a taboo word kurwa).
He cited funny proverbs:
Ożenił się kołodziey, pojął murwę sam złodziey. (A wheelwright married one, took a whore while himself a thief.)
Póty murwa miłuie, póki w mieszku czuie. (Whore loves till she sniffs out money).
marqoz   
24 Feb 2010
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

Plonka Strumianca (Lomza)

Exact spelling Płonka-Strumianka. In 1879 it was in £omża governorate.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C5%82onka-Strumianka

18-100 Płonka-Strumianka, Powiat Białystok, Woj. Podlaskie
maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=pl&geocode=&q=P%C5%82onka-Strumianka&sll=54.385376,18.57051&sspn=0.006598,0.013733&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=P%C5%82onka-Strumianka,+Bia%C5%82ostocki,+Podlaskie,+Polska&ll=53.003628,22.83474&spn=0.109085,0.219727&z =12
marqoz   
23 Feb 2010
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

What is your opinion guys on the reason why dizortografia is a modern pandemic
"disease" only in Poland and nowhere else in this world?

It's bureaucratic disease. Some kind of fashion or fad. There were no dysortography 20 years ago. It was a trick to make better exam results (as the dyslectics or as you say dysortographers have more time to resolve tests and write essays), so some lazy or unproductive teachers can be proud of better learning effects.
marqoz   
23 Feb 2010
Language / Polish and Hungarian, how similar? [53]

Ironically, after WW1 Polish ethnologists undertook research which showed these groups spoke a dialect of Polish, and so were Polish. After WW2, with Akcja Wisła, they had suddenly started speaking a dialect of Ukrainian!

No sane scientist could say they were speaking Polish dialect. What the ethnologist tried to do was to diminish that very fact and expose other cultural aspects as more important. And some aspects were indeed of Polish or Slovakian origin as the substratum and adstratum of £emko culture.

But there were also some nationalist politicians who wanted to protect £emkos from Ukrainian nationalist propaganda. However what they say, I think, isn't so important scientifically.

2 facts you put together don't fit together. The pretext for expulsion of £emkos was that they give shelter and support to UPA rebels, what wasn't generally true.

It was sad and unjust for £emkos.
marqoz   
22 Feb 2010
Language / Polish and Hungarian, how similar? [53]

I did not know ruthenian had it's own dialect

There were Hucułs, Bojkos, £emkos and Szlachtowa Ruthenians on the Polish side of Carpatian ridge and Rusnaki on the Hungarian (Slovakian) side.

It was a dialectal continuum from the South-East (more Eastern Slavonic and Rumanian elements) to the West (more Western Slavonic, Hungarian, German elements, while still with East-Slavonic core).

They were always called Rusini/Rusnaki since many of them didn't undergo to Ukrainian national identity. They even preferred to go in closer ties with Moscow and apostate Greek-Orthodox denomination to Moscow Orthodox - only to protect their own way of live.
marqoz   
22 Feb 2010
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Poles killed 1,600 Jews in the north-eastern village of Jedwabne in 1941a and all the massacres had previously been blamed on Nazi troops

It's factoid.
- Not 1,600 but 200-300.
- Not all Poles but dozen or so criminals and hooligans which provoked a tumult and terrorize part of citizens. It was easier to agitate them since just week or less the Soviets from secret police (all of Jewish origin) arrested and deported to Białystok prison some locals accused of anti-proletarian and capitalist attitude (where they probably were executed during the chaos just before Nazis got the town).

- Not alone but under auspices of German special commando which initiated such pogroms in Radziłów, Jedwabne and Wąsosz in the no-man's land after Russian troops and secret police withdrew and before German troops officially took over and before any police order was established.

- Not unpunished but ringleader were charged and convicted.

But with all these exceptions - you're perfectly right!
marqoz   
22 Feb 2010
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Supposedly there are some dialects in the east or southeast that still distinguish ch and h but again, I've never heard them.

The Borderland regional accent preserved H(voiced)/CH(unvoiced) distinction. I've heard it from my grandfather in HERBATA - CHERLAK. In H the larynx vibrated clearly.

In many Polish words H was borrowed from Czech for example:
HAŃBA (dishonor) was till XIV century GAŃBA in Old Polish.

Polish used to have G where Russian has G and Czech H:
GRÓD - GOROD - HRAD (castle, city)
G£ĘBOKI - G£UBOKIJ - HLUBOKI (deep)
GĘŚ - GUŚ - HUS' (goose)

H is present in borrowings from Czech, Germanic, Greek...
marqoz   
22 Feb 2010
History / The relations: Church and III Reich (Kosciol-NS Niemcy) [16]

I'm not a specialist in this area, so I even won't try to play the wisest.

In Wikipedia I've found:
The existence of Draganović's [Croat Franciscan who created Roman ratline] ratline has been confirmed by a Vatican historian, Fr. Robert Graham: "I've no doubt that Draganović was extremely active in syphoning off his Croatian Ustashe friends." However, Graham insisted that Draganović was not officially sanctioned in this by his superiors: "Just because he's a priest doesn't mean he represents the Vatican. It was his own operation.

I suppose there were some blind eye turning or even unofficial help to escape some figures from the Soviet eye. They knew about the fates of many persons persecuted and falsely accused of Nazi collaboration by Soviets. However I supposed men who - as Draganovic, Hudal - pretended to save only the innocents while providing shelter and escape route for war criminals.

Once again Wiki: The Vatican, which was involved in helping over twelve million refugees and expellees in post-war Europe, was at that point less concerned with the political views of each individual who was participating in the gigantic effort to save millions of people from certain starvation and death. The ratline was possible in the context of the enormity of this task and the resulting general confusion at several levels.

But I'm open to learn more about it.
marqoz   
22 Feb 2010
History / The relations: Church and III Reich (Kosciol-NS Niemcy) [16]

They also managed to save more Nazis than any other institution, organization, or state.

Prove it, please, even slightly.

The Catholic church is a huge organization, with some of it's members sympathetic to the plight of the Jews, some supporters of national socialism and fascism.

That's true. Laymen as well as clergymen have their own conscience and political opinions. There were fascist sympathizers, nazi sympathizers, socialism sympathizers, communism sympathizers - and even switching between these mental mistakes. In fact I have no idea how they managed to put it together with Catholicism. But it was their moral problem and intellectual dilemma, not mine.

But to blame the whole organization for some members in minority is a far reaching abuse. Especially when the official statements were unambiguously against that minority. That's my point.
marqoz   
22 Feb 2010
Genealogy / If your ancestors were in the "Wehrmacht"... [217]

Polish "facts" are often exaggerations. It's another one of those things you need to work on.

American have an irritating habit to admonish other nations. Want you to be a World Teacher as you have some troubles with being World Policeman? I'm afraid you need to work on this.
marqoz   
22 Feb 2010
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

PERKOWSKI: toponymic nick from Perki or Perkowo

1527, in Actis terrestribus Zamboviensibus. Albertus Perka de Magno Ducatu Lithuaniae scribit se.
1544, in Actis terrestribus Surasensis. Mathias et Georgius filii olim Felicis Golk de Perki scribunt se.

Former Perka, later Perkowski from Perki in Bielsk Land, Podlachia Voyevodship.