FUZZYWICKETS
31 Jul 2013
Life / Polish natural remedies and homeopathey better than English [84]
yeah. that and aspirin.
In saying that, ice would have worked better.
yeah. that and aspirin.
FUZZYWICKETS
17 Aug 2013
Life / The Polish work ethic - or the lack of it [23]
Delph and I rarely agree on much, but I'm right with him on this one.
It's not an "areas of business thing", it's a Polish thing. coming from a totally different country with a totally different work ethic, I simply never understood it.
Christmas is 3 days (on the books) but extends to 5 or 6. Easter is 2 days (on the books) but geeze, how can anyone imagine working the day before the holiday or the day after the holiday for that matter....sick leave is unbelievable....a common cold lands you a week at home with a doctor's note and a prescription of antibiotics (for a virus? what?!) and people just randomly don't make it to work for whatever reason they conjure up.
on average, if you stick me in an office in Poland with 50 people for a year's worth of working, i'll be scratching my head week to week wondering why people can't seem to put in a full 5 day work week.
i could never be any sort of manager of people in Poland, I'd end up hurting a lot of people's feelings.
+1 Delph.
In your experience, is this common in other areas of business? I know that for me, there's absolutely no sense in trying to do anything on a Monday/Friday if the Tuesday/Thursday is a holiday.
Delph and I rarely agree on much, but I'm right with him on this one.
It's not an "areas of business thing", it's a Polish thing. coming from a totally different country with a totally different work ethic, I simply never understood it.
Christmas is 3 days (on the books) but extends to 5 or 6. Easter is 2 days (on the books) but geeze, how can anyone imagine working the day before the holiday or the day after the holiday for that matter....sick leave is unbelievable....a common cold lands you a week at home with a doctor's note and a prescription of antibiotics (for a virus? what?!) and people just randomly don't make it to work for whatever reason they conjure up.
on average, if you stick me in an office in Poland with 50 people for a year's worth of working, i'll be scratching my head week to week wondering why people can't seem to put in a full 5 day work week.
i could never be any sort of manager of people in Poland, I'd end up hurting a lot of people's feelings.
+1 Delph.
FUZZYWICKETS
20 Aug 2013
USA, Canada / Looking for Polish beer in the United States [39]
you're right. in that case, just from the list above, you should at the very least avoid Harnas, Zubr, Warka, Okocim, Tatra, Piast.....I saw "Goolman" on the list? Is that Polish?
Why drink beer that tastes like moneky pee?
you're right. in that case, just from the list above, you should at the very least avoid Harnas, Zubr, Warka, Okocim, Tatra, Piast.....I saw "Goolman" on the list? Is that Polish?
FUZZYWICKETS
20 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]
For the non-religious police officers in Poland, they probably don't care whether the crosses are up or not. If you don't believe, the cross has no significance anyhow. just like i don't care that the money in my pocket says, "In God We Trust." Start telling me that 10% of the money in my pocket needs to go to a man in a dress with a big cane and a funny hat who in turn will not pay taxes.....ever....I'd take issue.
The church problems exist when people push religious agendas onto non-believers AND believers alike. We all know there are many different levels of religiousness, some people still believe a man lived inside a whale and the talking snake and all that, others were simply baptized Catholic because they were 6 weeks old and didn't have a choice and today they believe maybe in "some" god, but whether it's a peasant jew with a beard and sandals or Zeus or Poseidon or whatever, they're not sure or don't care to recognize any personification of any kind with their god. Such believers are becoming more and more common and find the uber religious annoying and overbearing and sometimes a bit loony.
If you're a devout catholic, whether the crosses are there or not shouldn't make any difference. Your faith should be quite enough. Traditions are for the most part just old habits. They stemmed from somewhere, and before those traditions existed, there were different ones. 1,000 years ago, young Polish boys probably didn't splash water on young girls the day after easter. 1,000 years from today, Poles probably won't do that either. And the world will continue to turn, either way.
For the non-religious police officers in Poland, they probably don't care whether the crosses are up or not. If you don't believe, the cross has no significance anyhow. just like i don't care that the money in my pocket says, "In God We Trust." Start telling me that 10% of the money in my pocket needs to go to a man in a dress with a big cane and a funny hat who in turn will not pay taxes.....ever....I'd take issue.
The church problems exist when people push religious agendas onto non-believers AND believers alike. We all know there are many different levels of religiousness, some people still believe a man lived inside a whale and the talking snake and all that, others were simply baptized Catholic because they were 6 weeks old and didn't have a choice and today they believe maybe in "some" god, but whether it's a peasant jew with a beard and sandals or Zeus or Poseidon or whatever, they're not sure or don't care to recognize any personification of any kind with their god. Such believers are becoming more and more common and find the uber religious annoying and overbearing and sometimes a bit loony.
If you're a devout catholic, whether the crosses are there or not shouldn't make any difference. Your faith should be quite enough. Traditions are for the most part just old habits. They stemmed from somewhere, and before those traditions existed, there were different ones. 1,000 years ago, young Polish boys probably didn't splash water on young girls the day after easter. 1,000 years from today, Poles probably won't do that either. And the world will continue to turn, either way.
FUZZYWICKETS
20 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]
I have done all sacraments including marriage in a Catholic church. I do not believe in Jesus, or any god for that matter. I do not claim there is no god because that's equal to insisting there in fact IS a god.
Am I Catholic?
We debated whether they are Catholics or not and I hope, we can now conclude that they are all Catholics as long as they're not banned from the church and freely declare themselves as such.
I have done all sacraments including marriage in a Catholic church. I do not believe in Jesus, or any god for that matter. I do not claim there is no god because that's equal to insisting there in fact IS a god.
Am I Catholic?
FUZZYWICKETS
20 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]
OK, so that's a no.
I'm not banned (at least not that I know of) from any church. Am I then free to claim that I am Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, or anything else?
You're only Catholic if you say you are (it's the same with other religions too).
OK, so that's a no.
Again, as long as they're not officially banned from the church, it's their right to be what they want to be.
I'm not banned (at least not that I know of) from any church. Am I then free to claim that I am Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, or anything else?
FUZZYWICKETS
22 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]
4 eigner wrote:
I mean, if we're going to have this discussion, it's gotta' maintain at least some level of accuracy.
EVERY catholic was forced to be Catholic. Do you remember the long talk you had with your parents when you were 6 weeks old, just before they baptized you, and they asked you what religion you were most interested in and why? That's right, because it never happened. It also didn't happen when you were 5 or 6 and received Communion. And how would it have gone if when you were 14 you told your parents, "yeah, you know what, I know that our entire family, extended family, friends, neighbors, co-workers....yeah pretty much everyone we know is catholic and has completed their sacraments, but after much thought, I think I'm done with this whole catholic thing, I'm just not going to do Confirmation....."
There's a reason why Saudis are not Catholic....because their parents didn't force them to be when they were young and didn't know any better. No, instead they forced them to take on another religion and to look at women as 3rd class citizens. 4th if we're counting the dog.
I mean.....if we're going to be accurate here.
This 92% I keep hearing is grossly inaccurate and you all know it. For most people that don't go to church anymore and have no attachment to the RCC at all, they're still going to check the "Catholic" box when asked what religion they are. It's that simple. They're not at the "Atheist" point, at least not yet, so when given the other choices, they're going to claim Catholic. Simples.
I guess what I'm saying is if you're not a full blown atheist or if at the very least you're not sure, you're going to put the check mark next to the religion you grew up with.
4 eigner wrote:
No one ever forced them to be Catholic and yet they are by their own choice.
I mean, if we're going to have this discussion, it's gotta' maintain at least some level of accuracy.
EVERY catholic was forced to be Catholic. Do you remember the long talk you had with your parents when you were 6 weeks old, just before they baptized you, and they asked you what religion you were most interested in and why? That's right, because it never happened. It also didn't happen when you were 5 or 6 and received Communion. And how would it have gone if when you were 14 you told your parents, "yeah, you know what, I know that our entire family, extended family, friends, neighbors, co-workers....yeah pretty much everyone we know is catholic and has completed their sacraments, but after much thought, I think I'm done with this whole catholic thing, I'm just not going to do Confirmation....."
There's a reason why Saudis are not Catholic....because their parents didn't force them to be when they were young and didn't know any better. No, instead they forced them to take on another religion and to look at women as 3rd class citizens. 4th if we're counting the dog.
I mean.....if we're going to be accurate here.
This 92% I keep hearing is grossly inaccurate and you all know it. For most people that don't go to church anymore and have no attachment to the RCC at all, they're still going to check the "Catholic" box when asked what religion they are. It's that simple. They're not at the "Atheist" point, at least not yet, so when given the other choices, they're going to claim Catholic. Simples.
I guess what I'm saying is if you're not a full blown atheist or if at the very least you're not sure, you're going to put the check mark next to the religion you grew up with.
FUZZYWICKETS
22 Aug 2013
News / Polish police chief removes crosses [250]
agreed. if we're going to be entirely accurate, I should have said something like "over 99%" or something like that.
some others go to prison and come out catholic ;)
Polonius3 wrote:
I don't agree and provided my reasons as to why.
There are exceptional later-life converts.
agreed. if we're going to be entirely accurate, I should have said something like "over 99%" or something like that.
some others go to prison and come out catholic ;)
Polonius3 wrote:
It is a very accurate figure indicating the percentage of self-declared Catholics in Poland. Nothing more,nothing less.
I don't agree and provided my reasons as to why.
FUZZYWICKETS
22 Aug 2013
USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]
no, no, and no. i'll chime in here about the USA because it's on topic and refers to the OP.
the average salary in Poland is what.....without getting into an argument over what poll is accurate and what is not, let's just say it's 3,000PLN net. if you wanted to buy a brand new BMW in Poland, you're looking at spending years of your salary. if you work in the USA, you'd spend about 1 year of an average worker's salary for say a nicely equipped 328i.
you mentioned "homes" and you used 350,000. if a "home" runs you 350,000 PLN (hard to believe that would get you anything more than a small flat, that's about what my wife and I sold our 50sq. meter flat for in 2011. a friend of mine lived in a town home in Bielany, about 110sq. meters, 15 kilometers from the center of Wroclaw, and she said it was assessed at 600,000PLN in 2011) you're looking at many Many MANY years of salary to pay for it. My house in the USA, brand new construction, 300 sq. meters, property, driveway, Jacuzzi tub in the master bathroom, central air, 2 car garage, brick siding, community Olympic sized swimming pool, tennis courts.....less than half of your 350,000 number.
it's simply incorrect, bud. let's not even get into the fact that in the USA, there's no VAT. or the fact that gas is probably 3 times cheaper.
I am not standing on a soap box here saying the USA is the greatest place on earth, I'm simply responding to your post and saying that if you want to discuss cost of living, compared to Poland, it's a no contest.
2000PLN, 2000$ or 2000EUR, you still have to pay 1000PLN/1000$ or 1000EUR in rent somewhere and you will have still the same expensive just in a different currency.
no, no, and no. i'll chime in here about the USA because it's on topic and refers to the OP.
the average salary in Poland is what.....without getting into an argument over what poll is accurate and what is not, let's just say it's 3,000PLN net. if you wanted to buy a brand new BMW in Poland, you're looking at spending years of your salary. if you work in the USA, you'd spend about 1 year of an average worker's salary for say a nicely equipped 328i.
you mentioned "homes" and you used 350,000. if a "home" runs you 350,000 PLN (hard to believe that would get you anything more than a small flat, that's about what my wife and I sold our 50sq. meter flat for in 2011. a friend of mine lived in a town home in Bielany, about 110sq. meters, 15 kilometers from the center of Wroclaw, and she said it was assessed at 600,000PLN in 2011) you're looking at many Many MANY years of salary to pay for it. My house in the USA, brand new construction, 300 sq. meters, property, driveway, Jacuzzi tub in the master bathroom, central air, 2 car garage, brick siding, community Olympic sized swimming pool, tennis courts.....less than half of your 350,000 number.
it's simply incorrect, bud. let's not even get into the fact that in the USA, there's no VAT. or the fact that gas is probably 3 times cheaper.
I am not standing on a soap box here saying the USA is the greatest place on earth, I'm simply responding to your post and saying that if you want to discuss cost of living, compared to Poland, it's a no contest.
FUZZYWICKETS
23 Aug 2013
USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]
Jardinero wrote:
no. less than half of $350,000, not PLN. go back and read the post i was responding to.
i grew up in NJ, i know all about property costs along the river and inside the city itself, which is why you don't live there unless you're very well to do. the smart bears move down south where real estate is cheap and winters are practically non-existant.
it's moot, but i have no idea what day care costs in Poland so i'll ask: what does it cost, per month, to bring your child to day care 5 days a week in a mid sized town in Poland?
Jardinero wrote:
You say PLN175k You say PLN175k for your fancy new house-where would that be? I
no. less than half of $350,000, not PLN. go back and read the post i was responding to.
i grew up in NJ, i know all about property costs along the river and inside the city itself, which is why you don't live there unless you're very well to do. the smart bears move down south where real estate is cheap and winters are practically non-existant.
True, no VAT, but we pay property and sales taxes instead (even on used cars)! If you care to look into things like childcare and summer camp/activities costs for children, they can easily be 5-8x those in PL.
it's moot, but i have no idea what day care costs in Poland so i'll ask: what does it cost, per month, to bring your child to day care 5 days a week in a mid sized town in Poland?
FUZZYWICKETS
24 Aug 2013
USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]
you said 500-600, another said 400-600 and up to 2000zl in Warsaw....let's go with 600 for what I must assume is a respectable, clean, quality day care where everyone has their certifications and the place is fully insured.
you say 5-8X more in the USA compared to Poland? by the number, meaning 600, it's nearly identical.
you simply can't compare prices, man.
childcare and summer camp/activities costs for children, they can easily be 5-8x those in PL.
you said 500-600, another said 400-600 and up to 2000zl in Warsaw....let's go with 600 for what I must assume is a respectable, clean, quality day care where everyone has their certifications and the place is fully insured.
you say 5-8X more in the USA compared to Poland? by the number, meaning 600, it's nearly identical.
you simply can't compare prices, man.
FUZZYWICKETS
24 Aug 2013
USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]
to polforeigner:
i don't think anyone, expats included on PF, are claiming Poland is some land of plenty where ur handed a zloty tree at the airport. Rather, most of the expats on here put in there time and made their bones and are now leading quite comfortable lives. Certain comparisons though just can't be made.
to polforeigner:
i don't think anyone, expats included on PF, are claiming Poland is some land of plenty where ur handed a zloty tree at the airport. Rather, most of the expats on here put in there time and made their bones and are now leading quite comfortable lives. Certain comparisons though just can't be made.
FUZZYWICKETS
27 Aug 2013
USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]
everyoe seems to get this but you, jardinero.
i asked you to go back and read the post i responded to, you didn't, so i'm giving you a five cent response.
you are using $1,200/month, which is inaccurate. my family lives in NJ, one of the most expensive states in the USA, and my sister pays $800/month for an excellent facility. i didn't use Warsaw-like prices because it's not a fair depiction. you shot for the stars with $1,200. 99% of the USA pays far less than that.
Regardless of how you want to compare in the end, Poland is entirely more expensive in both respects. go to both countries, get an average paying job and then buy a 4 bedroom house, a new car, and then fill the gas tank and let me know then which country is more expensive. i'll save you the airfare for this experiment and just go ahead and let you know (especially if you were to start in PL and buy a ticket to the USA using Zloty) that Poland is more expensive.
i'm in PL now and am being reminded of this every day.
everyoe seems to get this but you, jardinero.
i asked you to go back and read the post i responded to, you didn't, so i'm giving you a five cent response.
you are using $1,200/month, which is inaccurate. my family lives in NJ, one of the most expensive states in the USA, and my sister pays $800/month for an excellent facility. i didn't use Warsaw-like prices because it's not a fair depiction. you shot for the stars with $1,200. 99% of the USA pays far less than that.
Regardless of how you want to compare in the end, Poland is entirely more expensive in both respects. go to both countries, get an average paying job and then buy a 4 bedroom house, a new car, and then fill the gas tank and let me know then which country is more expensive. i'll save you the airfare for this experiment and just go ahead and let you know (especially if you were to start in PL and buy a ticket to the USA using Zloty) that Poland is more expensive.
i'm in PL now and am being reminded of this every day.
FUZZYWICKETS
28 Aug 2013
News / More cars in Poland than America? [29]
i also find these statistics very hard to believe. as another mentioned about high school, of the 220 students in my class, i can't remember even one person that didn't get a car the minute they turned 17. in the US it's like a right of passage, you're practically issued a car once you're of age and unless you move to a big city and only need the subway, you own a car till you're dead and depend on it evey day. i'm almost hesitant to say "car" and not "vehicle" because so many people drive pickups and SUV's.
worth mentioning that in Poland it is very common for someone to not get their first car till they're in their twenties. a lot of them are in school till they're 23-24 and don't work during that time making car ownership near impossible unless mom and pop got the szmal.
i also find these statistics very hard to believe. as another mentioned about high school, of the 220 students in my class, i can't remember even one person that didn't get a car the minute they turned 17. in the US it's like a right of passage, you're practically issued a car once you're of age and unless you move to a big city and only need the subway, you own a car till you're dead and depend on it evey day. i'm almost hesitant to say "car" and not "vehicle" because so many people drive pickups and SUV's.
worth mentioning that in Poland it is very common for someone to not get their first car till they're in their twenties. a lot of them are in school till they're 23-24 and don't work during that time making car ownership near impossible unless mom and pop got the szmal.
FUZZYWICKETS
28 Aug 2013
News / More cars in Poland than America? [29]
nobody's arguing logistics here, just facts.
kinda off topic, patna'.
nobody's arguing logistics here, just facts.
kinda off topic, patna'.
FUZZYWICKETS
28 Aug 2013
USA, Canada / Looking for Polish beer in the United States [39]
I've had some good Polish stuff but it's microbrew. the same story in the states. some of my favorite eers are American but they're microbrew, often times tough to find if you're on the east coast and it's brewed in the central/western states. most american mass produced beers are garbage but that's what people in other countries are exposed to.
I've had some good Polish stuff but it's microbrew. the same story in the states. some of my favorite eers are American but they're microbrew, often times tough to find if you're on the east coast and it's brewed in the central/western states. most american mass produced beers are garbage but that's what people in other countries are exposed to.
FUZZYWICKETS
28 Aug 2013
USA, Canada / Do Pol/Ams celebrate Black Friday and other American festivals? [18]
black friday is pure madness but there's a simple way to avoid it: don't go shopping. no worries, you still get the day off.
black friday is pure madness but there's a simple way to avoid it: don't go shopping. no worries, you still get the day off.
FUZZYWICKETS
2 Sep 2013
Travel / Poles the worst-dressed tourists in the world? [25]
i see Americans, especially black people and college kids, wearing socks with sandals all the time.
i see Americans, especially black people and college kids, wearing socks with sandals all the time.
FUZZYWICKETS
4 Sep 2013
Travel / Poles the worst-dressed tourists in the world? [25]
haha, you gotta be making that up. really?
Such as the New York Redskins??
haha, you gotta be making that up. really?
FUZZYWICKETS
4 Sep 2013
Life / Homosexuality in Polish Culture [231]
what's this holy roller's name again.....oh.......so, Kondzior wrote:
"Liberals are so obsessed with their vision of individual "happiness" that i wouldn't be surprised if they attemped to normalize other forms of degeneracy, like zoophilia, or pedophilia."
homosexuality is legal, well, in most developed countries anyway. pedaphelia or "zoophilia" as you call it, is not. i'd say this makes all that pretty silly.
what's this holy roller's name again.....oh.......so, Kondzior wrote:
"Liberals are so obsessed with their vision of individual "happiness" that i wouldn't be surprised if they attemped to normalize other forms of degeneracy, like zoophilia, or pedophilia."
homosexuality is legal, well, in most developed countries anyway. pedaphelia or "zoophilia" as you call it, is not. i'd say this makes all that pretty silly.
FUZZYWICKETS
24 Sep 2013
Work / 3500 PLN gross - not happy with my salary (working in Warsaw for an international company) [55]
you keep mentioning "native speaker". is Dutch the official language of your company? trying to see how being a native Dutch speaker has anything to do with your salary.
you keep mentioning "native speaker". is Dutch the official language of your company? trying to see how being a native Dutch speaker has anything to do with your salary.
FUZZYWICKETS
25 Sep 2013
Work / 3500 PLN gross - not happy with my salary (working in Warsaw for an international company) [55]
you didn't answer the question.
again....why should the company pay you more for being a native dutch speaker?
you didn't answer the question.
again....why should the company pay you more for being a native dutch speaker?
FUZZYWICKETS
25 Sep 2013
Work / 3500 PLN gross - not happy with my salary (working in Warsaw for an international company) [55]
is it?
So you march in and say, "I can speak native Dutch" which means I deserve to be paid 50% better than the rest of the poor shlubs you got workin' here?
if it was a Dutch company, operating in Poland, and Dutch speakers willing to live and work in Poland were scarce, now you've got something. but all he's said is, "an international company" and I fail to recognize why being able to speak native Dutch automatically grants you a huge increase in pay over your counterparts on the off chance that one day they'll need something Dutch translated or a Dutch native will call up, unable to converse in English to the rest of the customer service reps, when we all know Dutch people speak English better than most of Europe. after the first 6 months goes by and I still haven't found a use for your Dutch, I'm gonna start asking myself why I pay you so much.
if Dutch people speak English, and Polish or German or whatever person speaks English within that company, and the people calling speak English, why should I pay you double for your Dutch?
What an idiotic question to ask.
is it?
So you march in and say, "I can speak native Dutch" which means I deserve to be paid 50% better than the rest of the poor shlubs you got workin' here?
if it was a Dutch company, operating in Poland, and Dutch speakers willing to live and work in Poland were scarce, now you've got something. but all he's said is, "an international company" and I fail to recognize why being able to speak native Dutch automatically grants you a huge increase in pay over your counterparts on the off chance that one day they'll need something Dutch translated or a Dutch native will call up, unable to converse in English to the rest of the customer service reps, when we all know Dutch people speak English better than most of Europe. after the first 6 months goes by and I still haven't found a use for your Dutch, I'm gonna start asking myself why I pay you so much.
if Dutch people speak English, and Polish or German or whatever person speaks English within that company, and the people calling speak English, why should I pay you double for your Dutch?
FUZZYWICKETS
26 Sep 2013
Work / 3500 PLN gross - not happy with my salary (working in Warsaw for an international company) [55]
3 times you've avoided the question.
i wouldn't give you a raise, either.
Listen up - there are many reasons for me as Dutch person to move to Poland, remember that life is not only going about money - there are many other important things and reasons.
3 times you've avoided the question.
i wouldn't give you a raise, either.
FUZZYWICKETS
5 Oct 2013
Work / 3500 PLN gross - not happy with my salary (working in Warsaw for an international company) [55]
Holendrem wrote:
salary depends on RELEVANT work experience.
hence, when you work in an international company, the ability to speak some random language natively that nobody has a definitive use for shouldn't have any impact on your salary.
let me ask you this: if a Polish person went to Holland to take a job in an international company, should that person get paid more than other Dutch workers because he speaks native Polish?
Holendrem wrote:
Salary depends on position, work experiences, location and much more.
salary depends on RELEVANT work experience.
hence, when you work in an international company, the ability to speak some random language natively that nobody has a definitive use for shouldn't have any impact on your salary.
let me ask you this: if a Polish person went to Holland to take a job in an international company, should that person get paid more than other Dutch workers because he speaks native Polish?
FUZZYWICKETS
6 Oct 2013
Work / 3500 PLN gross - not happy with my salary (working in Warsaw for an international company) [55]
this is hopeless.
i'm done.
Yes, a native speaker should always get paid more, why? They know the language much more then students that learning any language at the university.
this is hopeless.
i'm done.
FUZZYWICKETS
7 Oct 2013
Work / 3500 PLN gross - not happy with my salary (working in Warsaw for an international company) [55]
indeed.
if their language level fits into the job description
indeed.
FUZZYWICKETS
15 Oct 2013
USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]
OK. yep, you win. go ahead with your $1,880/month and "the cheapest there is". you can have it. masz.
and I'll go ahead and pay $750/month for my child's day care and my sister, who lives in New Jersey, a state more expensive than most, will continue to pay $800/month.
yep.
really? just because your sister pays what she does - how does that make my information "inaccurate"???
OK. yep, you win. go ahead with your $1,880/month and "the cheapest there is". you can have it. masz.
and I'll go ahead and pay $750/month for my child's day care and my sister, who lives in New Jersey, a state more expensive than most, will continue to pay $800/month.
yep.
FUZZYWICKETS
15 Oct 2013
USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]
boy oh boy I'd like you to start doing just that.
you ignored my question about "Madison Area".
where, specifically, in the united states, is "the Madison area"?
but presenting your points which are backed by reality - something you could try for a change
boy oh boy I'd like you to start doing just that.
you ignored my question about "Madison Area".
where, specifically, in the united states, is "the Madison area"?
FUZZYWICKETS
17 Oct 2013
USA, Canada / Would like to move back to Poland from New York after living in USA for 20 years. [155]
Which, if he was willing to respond to my question, would prove more of the same.
I'm prrrrretty sure "Madison Area" is Madison, NJ. I am born and raised in NJ, northern NJ to be exact, and know Madison quite well. Everyone in NJ knows that if you live in Madison, chances are you're a doctor, lawyer, banker, high level executive or some sort of entrepreneur that makes a substantial amount of cabbage. I had a Google at the average house price in Madison in 2011, it's around $800,000. An upper class town with upper class prices. It's absurd to post day care and private educational institution prices in Madison, NJ, when comparing "here" vs. "there".
They all drive $100,000 cars in Madison, too. Should we use those numbers to compare the prices of automobiles?
Which, if he was willing to respond to my question, would prove more of the same.
I'm prrrrretty sure "Madison Area" is Madison, NJ. I am born and raised in NJ, northern NJ to be exact, and know Madison quite well. Everyone in NJ knows that if you live in Madison, chances are you're a doctor, lawyer, banker, high level executive or some sort of entrepreneur that makes a substantial amount of cabbage. I had a Google at the average house price in Madison in 2011, it's around $800,000. An upper class town with upper class prices. It's absurd to post day care and private educational institution prices in Madison, NJ, when comparing "here" vs. "there".
They all drive $100,000 cars in Madison, too. Should we use those numbers to compare the prices of automobiles?