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what will the world do when all of us middle class american taxpayers finally exit the system and sit here waiting for handouts from them.

tsk tsk. it's happening though, even if by accident. It's going to hurt a lot of people but it needs to be done. That'll leave the very wealthy and people like me who do business with the very wealthy. and the rest, who knows what will become of them. They only exist because there's a supermarket on the corner and momma got food stamps.

the govt cannot just print money out of thin air to pay everyone off forever.


I rarely fly, I have just been listening to it all week on the radio, it's all they talk about these days.

i have a real nice car have no doubt, I drive. Gas hogs though, those pretty SUV's. I am looking into converting to hydrogen or something. The price of gas might keep me home.

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it's not really 'the world' doing the lending, it's the Federal Reserve and IMF. And they actually have no money to lend so they just print it and pretend nothing's up.

I've heard talk that certain economists expect the dollar to fall pretty rapidly over just the next year.

Mostly, on the home front, you've got all the military, the public workers, (city employees, govt employees, the prez, the cops, etc) and these people need to be paid and there is no real money to pay them. look at California giving out vouchers instead of paychecks. So they are printing up all this money to be able to hand a check to those people. and then, there are all these retired public employees with very generous pensions who expect the govt (we the people) to support them till they die. it all adds up. So they print money to cover expenses and try to maintain their standards of living. They can't do this for very long. Maybe a year or two at most.

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I might sell this one in a couple years if technology improves and they do a better job at the factory. Unless I can convert it.

But for now I prefer reliability. It gets real icy here in winter and a good car is required. The roads here run along cliffs and ravines. i haul a lot of firewood too. a cute little car with great milage isn't going to cut it.. a 4 cylinder lasts only a couple years on these hills. Besides I already have a ford coupe too. I just never drive it. It's not reliable in winter and it's clunky all the time. I lend that vehicle to neighbors in need and the kid is also learning to drive with that vehicle. Gets decent milage but rough to travel long distances in. that car definitely will not make it up Ski Mountain Road in January.

There's a reason for everything.


The IMF lends to European nations.. that's is how Greece got into major trouble and now Ireland is about to crash too.

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I truly believe Ron Paul and others like him could save the country by eliminating the Federal reserve and starting up a national banking system that prints it's own money instead of borrowing it from rthe Fed. there is absolutely no good reason for the USA to borrow money when it can print it itself. we do not need the Federal Reserve to print our money then sell it back to us at interest. That is the complexity of our economic system, because we have this behemoth Fed in the middle since 1913. How and why the Federal Reserve even got into that position is very questionable.

I have a book here titled 'The Creature from Jekyll Island'. It explains the Fed pretty well.

However, just because we need to eliminate the Federal Reserve (which we definitely need to do), that doesn't mean it will happen. Even though we need to do it. The reason it may not happen is because of all those welfare recipients, public pensions, corporate welfare and foreign aid. They all insist on receiving their checks even when there is no money to pay them.. and currently the only solution is to print money for them to spend, and hope and pray no one says anything about that.

very complex, the welfare state. dumping 40 million people from food stamps wouldn't look real good for a country that is promising israel another billion bucks over the next few months..

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hasty my butt. It's been ruining the country for 100 years now. Slurping off the profits of the people to build their military machine so they can continue robbing us, that's what I see.

My family all came here around 1900. They were not paid to come here, they did not receive aid of any kind. They worked and they prospered on their own.

Tell me please, who are all these other people who need so much help and economic assistance to do what a few pollacks were able to do with only their bare hands a hundred years ago?

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Gosh if things were really that simple we'd be in good shape.

Road projects are usually handled by the states, just for your information. Every now and then you'll see a 'stimulus' program concerning road projects but generally roads are the states affair.

You can have your supermarket and your junk food, I have no response for that since it assumes we only eat big agra processed food out of the big agra grocery, which is not true here.

Now, those military style checkpoints you see them setting up here and there, those are Federal projects. The TSA is a federal agency but your DOT's are state agencies paid for with state tax dollars.. I'd prefer not to pay for those TSA and HSA projects.

A Federal bill is on the table today as a matter of fact, S510 I believe is the proper name. Look it up. This bill will suit you just fine as a simple supermarket consumer. As for the rest of the country, the people who do things for themselves and don't look for handouts, most say they will simply shoot any federal agents that trespass on their property trying to enforce such an idiotic bill.

I don't think the bill will pass but I must say your support of the Federal govt and it's relations is rather darkly amusing. You know, in North Korea, women just like you who don't want to make waves live in stalls and mate once a year to make babies for the state. Maybe you should do some research on what's going on here and elsewhere.

Personally, I refuse to support their agenda since they (the powers that be) would do exactly the same thing here if they were able. Once upon a time proud Americans hung American flags in front of their houses. Now, in a lot of places in the USA, if you hang an American flag in front of your house you get a citation, a ticket, a fine. Did you know that? It's true. Seems rather silly of me to support a government that is schizophrenic to such a degree that it kicks it's own self in the behind for existing. Who are these people? If you want to work and sweat and even bleed to support their militarization that's up to you. Maybe you'll get an end stall as reward.

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I think, at the moment, people are persuaded to think the 'gold standard' has vanished. But it clearly has not, this is just more federal reserve deception. At the very top, the bankers do not trade currencies, they demand payment in gold. The common denominator of ALL currencies worldwide is still.. gold... In the final analysis, all currencies are still measured against the price of gold. North Dakota has a state bank, they lend only their own money. they are the only state in the nation to do so (far as I know) and they are likewise the only state in the nation to experience real job growth in the past year. Because they don't pay interest to the Federal Reserve (which is a private multi-national corporation), they pay it back to themselves, not strangers.. It would be quite simple enough to follow their example.

I did buy a little hydrogen kit thingy, haven't been quite brave enough to hook it up.. heh. I'll get to it eventually.

They will be ending extended unemployment benefits next month. we'll see just how rich America is then.


I have a zero credit score. Really. zero. Because I don't borrow money. I like it, I don't have to worry about identity theft via credit card fraud.

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First off, I don't want a junk car. I don't even want to fiddle around with a junk car because I won't drive a junk car anymore. That's ok to haul firewood but I was no longer able to deliver paintings into really nice neighborhoods without getting odd looks. There's more to a vehicle than just the engine, right? I want to be happy with the finished product and be done when I'm done. So I picked up a nice SUV, an Envoy, with a great body and real smooth.. a 30K vehicle (looks super), I got it used for 7800 bucks since in this economy the past couple years, if you go in with cash you can negotiate some really good bargains. I thought to mess around with this kit (probably will wait till spring now), it does a hydrogen injection into the fuel/air mix, and then hopefully in a couple years, if technology allows, pull the entire engine and reseat something else in there. That's the plan anyway. The last truck I had, I kept it 18 years, did maintenance/minor work on it myself and only took it to it a mechanic for major stuff a couple times over that 18 years ( an old car mechanic friend gave me fix-it lessons many years ago). That was a junk vehicle by the time I was done with it, I was glad to get rid of it for a newer, safer, better looking model. It would have cost me close to 7800 bucks to really revamp that old truck. Maybe I'm dreaming, but it seems to me that so many people are working on this technology, within a few years time I will probably be able to just buy something I can more or less just drop in as a replacement engine for a couple thousand bucks maybe even less. if you hear of anything like that, something I could (more or less) just drop in, definitely let me know. I hear what you are saying but shaving the head etc is not my thing.


I have never owned a 'new' car. Why would I buy a new car when I can get a good used vehicle for half the price or less? A good used vehicle a few years old suits me just fine.

You can buy a house (or car or anything) without a good credit score. The car you should pay cash for. If you cannot cover the house fully with cash, you'll need about 20-25k in cash as a down payment and rarely will anyone turn you away with that much cash.

I cut the credit card up about 15 years ago now. It's the best thing I ever did. It took me a full 3-5 years to regain what felt like a 'balance' to me.. that is, to begin to have enough cash to start doing things again (work and save!) but once I was on the other side of that I have never looked back (and I did it as a single parent btw, with no handouts, no welfare.. there were a couple rough spots). I would not ever go back to the credit card lifestyle.. it's too expensive. I actually have quite a bit more now than I did back then and everything is paid for. When you use credit, by the time your stuff is paid for, you've paid at least twice for it and it's old already. This does not make sense to me. I owned a house in florida but sold that.. we moved up to the mountains here, we do rent (do not own this property) but right now, considering the foreclosure mess I am real glad about that too. We live here on a million dollar (at least) piece of property, I could never afford this even with great credit. So we rent. I haven't got any complaints. There are ways to invest money other than real estate, real estate is not a very good investment right now (my op anyway).

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and that's true anyway. They teach kids to use credit and get them into the system with student loans. They get out of school.. I know one young woman with a 100K student loan debt, and she's not even a doctor, she's a music teacher. How she will ever pay that I have no idea. So she owes 100K in student loans and last year she even bought a house (good credit score). Now she owes 300K to the banks. 300K will actually require about 800-900K to repay. Think about that. I don't think she has. My bet is that she ends up in default and on the street within 5 years. And ARC, the poor flat tenant will have more than she does when all is said and done.

I lived on the lower east of Manhattan for 12 years myself. One apt I lived in for a few years even had a real tenement bathroom, a big bathtub right in the middle of the kitchen! To get myself into college, I won a scholarship (had to work for that when most other high schoolers were partying). I went to art school. After college I joined up with a few guy friends and we started renovating and painting lofts down in Soho, for people we knew. We were pretty social so we did get to know people. we made business cards and handed them out. we worked like dogs. By the time we parted ways in the late 80's we were doing real well, working mainly along Central Park South and the upper east side. I handled the painting. We only did business with wealthy clients who were not interested in cheap labor. Now these people are wealthy. Extreme even, some of the places I've seen. Maybe they were spending a lot of credit too, I have no idea but I was always paid in cash, great for me.

anyone can still do that and I'm sure even in Poland if you do good work you will find clients to support you and buy your stuff.

The queen of England controls 60%, maybe more, of the world's geographic area. England, and the brits, are actually the wealthiest people in the world in that respect. albeit, it is theft of the rest of the world but no one likes to discuss that. You could look there for rich people, that's where I would start, with the rothchilds and windsors..

Mexico has more millionaires (or is it billionaires) than the USA so maybe Mexico is another place to look.

America only has big mortgages and lots of people paying the bankers, many of whom have homes in Switzerland...

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you don't get it do you?

You don't have to be rich to live well. I own a car. Big deal. But I rent a king's view. Cheap. Anyone can do this, it's just a matter of where you want to live. If I had to survive in NYC, well, I don't make enough money anymore even to live squalor in the city.

Those really nice big homes in the suburbs, a lot of them are empty these days. They were built on promissory notes and speculation. Because americans in general aren't rich. They are foolish enough to think so though, like you.

Everytime I had a good job I reinvested a little bit back into myself and my work. Things accumulate over the years. Try it. Just don't borrow money to try get ahead, you have to do the footwork yourself.

After the Berlin wall came down, and Russia was going through major economic panic, I picked up thousands of dollars worth of artist's materials real cheap.. Russian distributors were dumping lots of stuff here. The colors are superb I am still using them.. you have to be there. I watch the markets, I don't own stock but i do know what to stock up on. And I take this stuff and I turn into a product I can sell downline for much more than the price of the materials. Truly I tell you anyone can do this utilizing whatever skills they've got. I started out with two $6 paint brushes and that is not a joke. Just don't borrow money!

nice garden too btw, the stores stink around here. that is a really big hard job the garden, but it saves me a couple thousand bucks, easily, in summer.

not rich, not by a long shot. It just looks that way. yes, reasonably happy. Sometimes there is no money coming in at all around here. It's always been like that, feast or famine. You complain too much yourself, Havok.

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mostly I cannot figure out why you keep saying I am miserable.

you sound pretty miserable to me. desk jobs will do that to ya. Make you fat with that pasty complexion.. zitty and fat, maybe that is why you are miserable?

I've never had to steal, not once. Sad to hear that that is your life philosophy, stealing and killing. there's a lot of that around these days. but you know, what goes around comes around so maybe you'll get robbed soon too.

I think mostly, you do not like what I say about bankers.

yea, that would be it wouldnt it? You need people to borrow money to keep yer job, don'tcha?

and here I am telling people not to borrow money.. that is not good for you is it?

;)

I'll tell you about my internet biz some other time. That's the biz I am closing right now.

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rich is a state of mind.

family and friends are most valuable.

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What do rich people say?

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without family or friends? it does sound pretty boring.

I think Howard Hughes had that problem. The curse of wealth. Always chasing money. Coming up with schemes to make more money.

to each his own I guess.


why are they rich? They had an extra hundred bucks to spend at the club tonight? or.. they own a castle in Brazil?

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My family are all pollacks.

but that's obvious.

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yeah, it runs on water, pretty cool.


where are zero interest rates available?

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We're quite proud of it.

we ate romans for breakfast.

The ones that escaped went west and are mostly still in England still yearning to control the breadbasket of Europe so be careful.

seriously though, I think a lot of wealth left Poland around 1900. our grandparents that came here, great-grandparents, I think lots of them were running from the socialism/communism that was starting up in central/east europe back then. There was nasty stuff going on. My great-grandparents on my mom's paternal side of the family were killed within a couple years of arriving here, so my grandfather and his sister were taken in by the church as toddlers, orphans. My mom's mom had a huge family, 2 girls, 6 (or 7) boys.. great-granddad was an engineer, all the boys went to college even way back then, became engineers and scientists.. one became a priest.. my dad's side of the family mostly all became steel workers.

I have some really old family photos, they took lots of pictures, a couple photographers in the family too, one on my mom's side, one on my dad's side.

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they have always lended to their friends at very low or 0%, so this is nothing new then.

I thought he meant I could get a zero interest loan.

some americana photos here: extras.denverpost.com/archive/captured.asp

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A family photo, about 1928 I think. My great grandparents, great aunt and uncles, my grandmother in the back row at center.

My grandparents wedding day, 1930. Best man and maid of honor at left, my grandparents on right.

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All Polish. This side of the family from western Poland, near Auschwitz.

News / Polish GDP per capita has dropped ! [30]

yea, but these days, debt and borrowed money is added to GDP, so we're not really talking about 'product' and production here. Poland got a big influx of cash from the EU didn't it? that's mostly what you are seeing in those GDP stats.

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read the fine print.

They might offer you zero percent but it doesn't mean they are actually going to qualify anyone for 0%. those offers are just come ons.

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I think the biggest problem today is that people are not as resourceful and creative as our grandparents were before the age of supermarkets and chain stores... and television.

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It's true. Which is exactly why I said I am taking next year off. Take some time to simply focus 100% on myself and my own family.

Of course, I have been working 25-30 years and as I've mentioned, things accumulate over the years, so we are in good shape. If I were 20 and just starting out, it would be a different picture altogether. I am prepared to help the kids.

I have no intention of paying for Obamacare and all of it's tax increases and other requirements for small business. This bill is death to the middle class.

If I am not showing any income they'll have to pay my way.

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definitely. most of them will suffer either way. the less income a person keeps after taxes the less they have upfront to take care of themselves to begin with. no brainer.. malnutrition is probably the country's biggest problem.

and if they need oxycotin or valium let em get it on the corner for all I care.

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Do you have any old pics? Maybe our families knew each other. my family came in through Ellis Island and settled around Buffalo, NY. where did yours go?


My sister visited a few years ago. she wasn't very impressed.


btw, 'the lowest class of society' has never had the resources to make a leap overseas, not now, not then.

That is why you were left behind.

Food / Stuffed cabbage - gołąbki - recipe [59]

it's extra good with a bunch of fresh chopped parsley mixed in with your rice and beef.

Life / Heart attack/stroke - money please! This is public service healthcare in Radom! [7]

Cayenne pepper (or any very hot pepper) is real good for the heart, look it up.

Give her a dose of that everyday and she won't need a doctor.

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Absolutely.

Cayenne pepper was your country doctor's cure for exactly this sort of thing for many years.

Won't damage her kidneys either like most prescription drugs will do over time. These days, most doctors are educated by schools that receive grants from the pharmaceutical companies. Thus, they are taught that pharmaceuticals are the way to go and they even get bonuses from big pharma to prescribe their drugs.. They have forgotten what their grandfathers knew

Lots of people die every day from being wrongly medicated or over medicated with pharmaceuticals, be sure you keep an eye on the doctors. My dad even got a nasty staph infection in his bloodstream, sepsis, from dirty hospital equipment, prior to passing away.

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where was Trzebiska before the wars? anyone have any idea?

My dad's father emigrated from there..