News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]

Check out this guy and what he has to say, he has quite a history on these matters.

News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]


The JDL and other Jewish organizations in the USA are some of the most outspoken concerning removing religion from schools, not allowing kids to pray at school, have bible studies etc. They have been working extremely hard to define 'hate laws' for any speech that criticizes Israel. Yet they are not shy about criticizing other religions, Islam especially.

I think if you investigate you'll also find they are very much behind removing most of the other religious symbols that have been around in the USA for hundreds of years.

Quite a few congressmen do speak out against this, and they often mention the jewish organizations and lobbies as being behind it.

I was raised catholic too.. all pollacks are catholic aren't they?

History / Poland and Muslims (Tatars and others). [81]


I'd probably be safer eating one of those nasty kebobs, minus the ones with human flesh, than I would be getting a flu shot.

at least I would know what made me sick and could sue the kebob shop owner.

xcuse me, Dariusz, but what makes you think those Somali gangs are acting upon muslim influences?

There really are no more issues here with muslims than any other group. It would be real nice if they were absolutely perfect above and beyond the rest of us. But they're not. Saying there is a problem among the muslim community in the USA is nonsense.

If my cat ever goes missing it would probably be because a bear ate it.. or a wiccan needed a sacrifice. That is closer to home for me, dariusz.

History / Poland and Muslims (Tatars and others). [81]

Those kebob stores don't sound very kosher. Definitely not run by real muslims. Sounds like someone's unwanted list has migrated to Norway.

Raping Norwegian women? Well, it sure beats sending them off to the brothels of Israel I guess.

Sounds like the norwegians need a dialogue with their new muslim community. And an education system to work with them. There are lots of muslims in the USA and we have not seen any of these problems.

News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]


Pretty much yeah. A hateful semite just like other hateful semites.

Hate seems to be a long standing tradition among semites, on both ends of the spectrum. Which is why saying one group is better than the other is pure nonsense. Jewish supremacists, muslim supremacists, not much difference between them really. Both groups have been working to destroy Christian values and culture for quite some time.


I did read the post.. I was jerking your demon infested knee.

News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]


This is a really big problem.. truthfully.. Look at Islam, I cannot honestly say there is anything within it that compares to some of the grosser teachings of kabbalistic/talmudic Judaism.

Kabbalistic/talmudic Judaism is actually the thing that Jesus preached against.

If Islam, as an institutionalized religion, protects the neighbors of the jews from the deceptive practices of judaism, who am I to say they should halt doing exactly what they are doing? They know more about these things than christians do, they have dealt one on one with these issues for a few millenia.. and if you need an education in it, the teachings of muslims who fight against kabbalistic/talmudic Judaism are actually one of the best places to start.

You can call those teachings anti-semetic if you like,, but bear in mind, a large majority of muslims are semites so that opinion is.. useless, and even extremely racist. A jew is not a semite to the exclusion of his non-jewish semite neighbors. That idea only works in the mind of a jew.

News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]


oh please. do some research on things of a spiritual nature. Oh I forgot, you don't believe in those things.

sleep paralysis

Sleep paralysis is a condition that occurs in the state just before"The Nightmare" by Johann Heinrich Fussli, 1781 dropping off to sleep (the hypnagogic state) or just before fully awakening from sleep (the hypnopompic state). The condition is characterized by being unable to move or speak. It is often associated with a feeling that there is some sort of presence, a feeling which often arouses fear..

gotcha a demon do ya?

Jesus can cure that too.

Most people are quite fearful of facing what is inside them.. the demons.. the monsters.. you should give it a try though.

I haven't any issues with people of any religion. Religion, per se, can be a issue. However, when people seek God, sincerely in truth, that is a different matter altogether. Learn to differentiate between the cradle follower of religion and the sincere seeker of God. Big difference. You'll find seekers of God in any religion.. even satanists, wiccans, new agers.. often just end up there for a short while because they are lost and seeking, albeit in all the wrong places. you can find plenty of testimonies on the web, at youtube, wherever. Funny thing is.. those sincere seekers of God.. they all end up preaching Jesus.


and the jews too. shall we discuss mormons? humanists?

but that's religion for you. Islam seems to going through a phase quite similar to what the Catholic church went through in the middle ages. It is 500-600 years younger than christianity so that's still right on time historically. I hope they have their reformation soon.

I heard a show put out out by al jazeera radio, I think it was at youtube.. I may have a link I could look around.. but some Imam was complaining that 6 million or so muslims convert to christianity each year. give it some time, God is working on this. The muslims, the jews, they can write all the laws against christian proselytizing they want.. it will not stop God from his work.

I do respect the muslims for taking certain strong stands here and there against humanist atheistic movements especially, as poorly educated as some muslims are, simply due to poverty.. you know they have a lot of problems some of these are the poorest of the poor.. but on the other hand some of them are very well educated and they hold their ground on a lot of issues christians cave into. Yeah, i do respect them for that, absolutely.

News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]


Sorry, I can't, He has already revealed Himself to me.. many times.

Once you know the truth there isn't any turning back.

Millions have seen aliens have they? Maybe a few thousand make that claim, but millions? I'd like to see you prove that. Kim Jong.. is the result of people who deny God and worship men in his stead, exactly the same path you are on.... And what issue do you have with muslims who revere Mohammad as their prophet? He is their prophet, there is no doubt about it. You know muslims.. deserve some respect.. they are often a truly, sincerely, deeply faithful people. Funny thing is.. when they meet God finally.. (since so many of them do actually search).. they start preaching Jesus.

History / Life in communism vs democracy in Poland [234]


The difference though.. is that under the examples we have to work with.. with communism the media is heavily controlled by the state.. whereas (ideally, without restrictions) with democracy the media is controlled by private corporations. At least in democracy we are free to use or provide alternative media for an alternative point of view to the corporations.

News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]


A lot of people would disagree with you. Invisible to us generally perhaps, but lack of proof, far from the truth.

Perhaps it would be more proper to state, God has not revealed himself to you. Because millions of others do say, He has revealed Himself to them.

maybe it's just something you need to work on.

History / WWII Polish Exiles in Uganda [36]


Actually it means only that you are a citizen of the UK. Citizenship has nothing to do with genetics. I can assure you, as much as you try to deny it.. to a true Brit descended from Normans you are, and will always be, a pollack.

If one of your children ever encounters an odd genetically inherited disease you will learn quite quickly how Polish you are, or scottish or whatever the case may be, as the doctor himself will have to teach you something you obviously resist.

I really am done arguing this point with you sjam. I am happy to hear you have acquired true Norman genes via your environment. If you can bottle this gene changing formula you stand to make a fortune, especially in places like Uganda.

History / WWII Polish Exiles in Uganda [36]


I have no idea where you get this stuff from. I have said from the outset that I am a Polish American. Maybe where you live people are desperate to fit in quickly and forget the past.. but in America, everyone is from somewhere else unless they are a 100% native american. Some people's ancestors have been here 400 years, some are just arriving today. There isn't a great big effort to erase anyone's genealogy like you seem so set upon doing.

In America.. we can discuss.. hispanics.. blacks.. africans.. latinos.. east europeans.. asians.. europeans.. and we can take each of those groups and break them down further into.. british. scottish.. Mexican.. Nigerian.. Polish etc.

Perhaps your desire to see your self as British rubs off on your view of anyone who sees themself as Polish-American or German-american or Mexican-American... I would guess, it has more do with you receiving some sort of government benefit from the UK than anything else. Or, there is something in your past that you are trying to forget.

But that doesn't mean everyone has to forget just because you feel that way. There are Polish communities all over the east coast and midwest. We call them Polish for a reason, which you simply do not comprehend.

News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]


no, I get the point quite well.

Read the Humanist Manifesto, there are 2 parts, 1 and 2. I am sure it's still online. This is what human secularism is based on.

used to be at infidels.org, may still be there I am not sure. Originally, they even had a church.

They decided it wasn't wise to openly call themselves a religion though. They do not believe in God.

History / Poland and Muslims (Tatars and others). [81]


I would believe he was a Christian if he had a better handle on the scripture he misuses here and there in the soundbites on the net.

either way I wouldn't expect an auto-biographical work to be anything but flattering.

I read somewhere in the past that his mother worked for Tim Geithner's father, that she was very into marx, communism and the whole bit.

Which actually does explain many of his own views on those items.

anyway I just threw the video at ya as an item of interest.

I actually have no comment on it. There it is straight from the horses mouth. the left side of the horse's mouth today anyway.

we can do a breakdown on what comes out from the right side tomorrow!

History / Poland and Muslims (Tatars and others). [81]


are you saying that the president of the usa talks trash?

you must be because pretty much the entire video is him talking.

he makes some good points you know, you shouldn't be so hasty to deride him.

History / Poland and Muslims (Tatars and others). [81]


and I am the queen of sheba.

watch the video then comment.

Obama the Muslim
youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY

History / Poland and Muslims (Tatars and others). [81]

well it's usa not poland, but we have a muslim president and the world is not falling apart. yet. as long as he is a good diplomat it may even be helpful in world affiars.

youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY

History / WWII Polish Exiles in Uganda [36]


yeah so why sjam is trying to insist I want to be a Polish citizen is beyond me.

He sure does seem bent on it though.


no desire to be a british citizen ruled by morons either. thanks for the offer though.

History / WWII Polish Exiles in Uganda [36]


I think what you are trying to say is.. not a Polish citizen.

Kind of difficult to erase a person's ancestry sjam. But you sure are working hard at it. Any particular reason for that?

It would sound rather silly if I went around telling people I fell to earth when they asked about my family.

But you know what, if you really feel this way about people, why don't you send an email to the owner of this board and ask him why he would even bother with a section as silly as genealogy and ancestry.. if all these things are nonsense. Maybe you should head to that section and tell everyone who posts there that they are not Polish either.

News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]


that's why we have to say no to secular humanism.

it lacks faith and so tries to get rid of anything that might compete with it.

History / WWII Polish Exiles in Uganda [36]

perhaps. but pretty common, been experiencing it all my life.

So just tell em you're austrian, no problem.

We are pretty much austrian anyway. Being Polish, what is it really? Warsaw to Vienna is a shorter drive than New York to Miami.

History / WWII Polish Exiles in Uganda [36]


Polish people are looked upon as sort of backwards, not real bright, in most places except Polish communities. When I was growing up, a teenager in the late 70's, being Polish was not something you advertised.

still isn't as far as I can tell. The last time someone gave me an eeew when I said my family were Polish was just 4-5 weeks ago. So I added in.. of course, but my mom's family were austrians. Then I got a smile and a nod.

You think I'm kidding? I am not kidding. My grandmother's family actually was from the german border, near auswitz. So I can bend that a little bit when i need to :)


No.. it's true.. they were pushed out by force.. but they, and their children, did not have to live the next 50 years as slaves to the communists either.

They went where they wanted to, they did what they wanted to. Unlike the families locked inside Poland.

It was awful nice of all those austrian hungarians to fight to establish a country named Poland in 1918. Did they invent the language too?

History / WWII Polish Exiles in Uganda [36]


Interesting. Then Polish people outside of Poland have no ancestry? Definitely unique. Kind of rewrites world history. So then, that would also explain why soviet Russians inside Poland are now Polish?


Only after 1918. Prior to which all Poles must have actually been Austrians.

You europeans are all alike, I think.

Notably however I do usually tell people I am Austrian here in America. Telling them I am Polish gets me an eeew and a grimace whereas telling them I am Austrian is acceptable and welcome. I tell them the Z in my name is related to the Schwarzeneggar clan.

heh. it works too. they like that. I have never been questioned once about it and I have been doing it for over 20 years.

I don't look like a babushka no reason to act like one.

Modern Poles however are not afforded that luxury. Not if they or a parent/grandparent are born in Poland after 1918. American law stipulates it.

History / WWII Polish Exiles in Uganda [36]

Quite a few of them stayed on in palestine and Lebanon though.

and there was/is (but smaller now) a pretty thriving Christian community especially in Lebanon a few decades ago.

lots went south to new zealand and australia too.

I know there were a lot of Christians in Iraq before the invasion too. I wonder if a lot of them were the children of polish refugees too.

We are an international community! Maybe when people here say to polish people living in other countries 'you're not polish!' it's actually the soviet indoctrination speaking. the soviets disenfranchised all the poles overseas who wouldn't return.

Stalin actually did them a great blessing by cattle training them out of Poland when he did.. albeit a lot died on the journey but lots died at home too.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

which is basically what I'm saying..

it's not an 'us' and 'them' thing.

it's just an 'us' thing. all the populations of the earth are intermixed these days.

The muslims are reacting to the situation in the mideast.. extremism on one side begets extremism on the other... which turns it into the us and them thing. None of this existed before Israel became a state and started bulldozing palestine and pushing people off the land.

All those muslims in UK, they are coming from somewhere you know (aside from the new births in UK). they hate what's going on in the mideast too. so they go to France or UK or wherever seeking peace and a place to raise their kids safely, it really is that simple.

of course they have within them an extreme element.. well.. every society has it's nutjobs.. so do the jews and zionists.. even the christians do to some extent. Even athiests have an extreme element. it's not just a religious thing. those muslim extremists.. they are the product of a few generations growing up under conditions of war upon their people.. they fought the soviets.. they fight the zionists.. now they fight the west.. they never asked for war, they were invaded. it's not difficult to see that at all. grow up in a war zone, you become a militant.. it's simply a survival tactic.

Right now though it is the media focusing a lot on the extremes of islam. This sways the opinion of a lot of people. And a lot of the media we watch in the west really is controlled by jewish zionists, bankers, very wealthy people. the opinion they present.. is their own.

I could make a list here of all the jewish owned media.. you would be surprised I'm sure. A jewish college buddy of mine got a job right after graduating with a big tv entertainment/news company. He told me quite directly it was because he was jewish. Thing is, he wasn't kidding.

what do you think about what this guy has to say?

Jewish Viewpoint On Israel

youtube.com/watch?v=k2vV5qOf5YQ

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


It's not a matter of being pro this or anti-that. War simply is not the answer to anything in this day and age. And it has nothing to do with nuclear weapons. it has to do with the fact that.. PP, maybe you look at an arab and see a violent muslim.. but what you are missing is that mixed into this crowd are the rest of your family. And for whatever reason.. how is they have survived so well here.. and suddenly.. the past couple of decades especially.. all this hatred gets kicked up?

Your polish cousins are.. palestinians.. lebanese.. iranians.. yes indeed they are. I would suggest you try, simply try, to respect them that's all. And you might just find out, most of these people are not violent people. They simply want to live in peace just like you do. Supporting their destruction.. hmm... I hope you have a nice way of explaining that one to your creator someday. and your cousins who go before you.

Try this short video about one of those polish war refugees who ends up marrying an iranian for some insight.

Polish Passage to Iran

jadidonline.com/images/stories/flash_multimedia/Polish_%20refugee_%20iran_eng_test/pol_high.html

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


ok I apologize.

I cannot read every post all the time. and you posted right after I posted apparently mostly coincendental about pretty much the same thing.

You know.. there is something really wrong with this discussion if i may point it out.. and feel free to correct me if you really have FACTS that prove I am wrong.. but just prior to the state of israel coming along in 1948... and the zionists pushing all the palestianians and arabs out.. and causing so much trouble over there.. well those very same arabs, muslims and palestinians, from Tehran to Palestine to Iraq.. were giving refuge to displaced Polish citizens of the war.. and here.. you guys seem to be always on the side of Israel.. as though the arabs are your enemies.

According to the facts I've got, while this new Israel was pushing them out, it was those arabs and palestinians who were actually helping the Polish Catholic and Christian people.

So, I guess I really don't understand your logic or sympathies, if you truly are Polish, which seem more than just a little bit displaced in all this.

The polish refugees, those who survived russia, themselves also had to suffer the zionist surge in Israel you appear to support.

--- --- read this for instance --- ---

dpcamps.org/poland.html

The first stop of the refugees evacuated with Anders' army was Iran, where they found temporary quarters in large transit camps initially located in Pahlavi and Mashhad, and later in Tehran and Ahvaz. While Gen. Anders' troops were subsequently transferred to Palestine and from there to Iraq, the civilians remained in Iran. To accommodate the refugees, a sprawling stationary camp was established in Isfahan. Because it housed several camps for the thousands of orphaned Polish children, it came to be known as the "City of Polish Children." The relief assistance afforded by Polish, British, American, and Iranian authorities soon improved their living conditions and brought the devastating contagious diseases under control, diseases acquired in the Soviet Union which continued to rob the refugees of their lives even after liberation (over 2,000 refugees died in Iran alone).

and check this out:

immi.gov.au/media/publications/refugee/langfitt/langfitt26.htm

In January 1947, as many of the African settlements were being liquidated, Halina, Krystyna and their mother were moved to Gatooma Camp in Southern Rhodesia, where they joined Poles from many of the other Rhodesian camps. Their schooling continued for another year until the schools had to close as teachers and pupils left for England and other destinations. Once again, a commission from communist Poland arrived to 'encourage' them to return to Poland, which most refused. Branded as traitors and stripped of their Polish citizenship, these 'remnants' were moved to Tengeru early in 1948.

So those I mention above, and other refugees also, then in Africa as well, were stripped of their polish citizenship for refusing to return to communist Poland. Chances are more than excellent the 'arabs' you seem to despise include a good number of polish x-citizens with no where to go who were living largely in the good graces and often charity of those same arab and muslim societies.

These people befriended the Polish people in a big way and gave them a home when they had none.

Now, on that I may lack a few facts, feel free to tutor me.

History / WWII Polish Exiles in Uganda [36]

No idea why it didn't stay, it seemed to post, here it is again c/p

well now it's posted in 2 threads that's weird.

Anybody know anything about this?

A Corner of a Ugandan Field that is Forever Poland

I would like to share the amazing story of the 7,000 Polish people who were exiled to Uganda during and after World War II, between 1942 and 1952. Some 100 of them are buried in a cemetery in a village 100 km east of Uganda's capital, Kampala. Many people from Poland are not aware of this piece of history concerning their citizens, who suffered the worst atrocities of World War II. Perhaps there are survivors or their relatives who may be interested in the site. I foresee a possibility of developing historical tourism between the people of Poland and Uganda. The site is marked with a memorial stone bearing the names of the dead (see picture) where i took a Polish Visitor in 2005. The cream marble memorial stone was the good work of a Polish priest who lived in Uganda.

link here to page ->
odemagazine.com/exchange/76/a_corner_of_a_ugandan_field_that_is_forever_poland

and this accompanying info

The General Langfitt Story
Polish Refugees Recount Their Experiences of Exile, Dispersal and Resettlement

immi.gov.au/media/publications/refugee/langfitt

USA, Canada / American Polonia. Wisconsin - the most Polish state? [112]

actually my grandparents arrived here around 1905, both sides of the family. My oldest grandfather was born in 1893, was a teenager, and my grandmother there too, other side of the family, they were younger.. little kids when they arrived here. My dad was the youngest of 6 kids, his parents died when i was still a kid, they were pretty old. Barely spoke english.

What i meant to suggest is that..those numbers are low when you consider all the polish retirees in FL. Plenty of them are down there.

They all seem to speak Polish too.. in our generation.. polish was the 'secret' language the elders spoke when they didn't want us to know what they were talking about. It is too bad they did that but seems they did it a lot.

You know what even.. if you think about it.. chances are really good that a lot of Polish parents did not teach the native language to us kids after WWII because poland was in the soviet bloc then and maybe they didn't want us kids to be associated with that by our american peers.