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Poland and Muslims (Tatars and others).


DariuszTelka 5 | 193
23 Nov 2009  #1
I was reading up on some history of Poland, which is my new favourite thing, since I'm moving to Poland in the next 5 years or so. There are literally hundreds of interesting topics; beautiful cities, exciting historical events, powerful kings and queens, the list is endless. While browsing through the net, I stumbled across the Tatars and started reading about them. Quite interesting history, that Poland should have such a significant part of it's history linked with these tribal islamic people.

I do not approve of Islam, or muslims. It's nothing to do with "racism", or "hate". But every bone in my body tells me to stay away from them. I have had too many encounters with the "religon" and it's followers in Norway, where I currently reside, has gone from a truly safe and wonderful country, to a jungle. (Not the whole country, but the major cities where the muslims have settled). They are not THAT many yet, but boy, they do leave a footprint the size of sasquatch considering their "minority" status.

Now reading about their history in Poland, I actually feel increasingly unpleasant about the fact that they still exist in Poland today. Listen, everybody has a right to religious expression, freedom of movement and the right to vote for whomever they want. But Islam is another story. Just like communism, this is a cancer, and if you don't remove it quickly, it's just a matter of time before it grows out of control and takes over. Read; Norway, Sweden, Denmark etc.. Most of the religions of our world are peaceful, humanistic and don't believe in global expansion on behalf of whoever occupies the land they arrive in. But Islam is the opposite of all of these.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Poland

When you read a little more about Islam in Poland you find out that there are actual mosques and muslim cemeteries all over Poland. That they have prayer rooms in all major cities, and that their community is "thriving". As I write this, I can actually feel my blood boiling. This is not acceptable! Islam is not the religion of peace. Islam is a fascist, dictatorial, political, tyrannical and anti-humanitarian death-trap. It kills hundreds, if not thousands of people every day, even women and children are not spared in it's name. Whatever country you come from in the western world, you will know this by now, so I don't have to post 20 links to current stories about honour killings, decapitations, acid-attacks, circumcision of 8 year old girls, public executions, killings of christians and non-believers, gang rapes, financial rackateering and on and on.

Poland is not exempt of these things, and if the muslim community ever gets a foothold in Poland, it's gonna be a battle to keep them under control. It's like a little snowball that rolls down the hill and eventually ends up taking out the whole village. Soon they will have bigger mosques, bigger halls to gather, more money from the government, bigger families, their own holidays, specal treatment at public areas, their own swimmingpools, forbidden for polish people and retirement homes, also forbidden for polish people. There will be kebab stores with rotten meat and sperm-filled sauces on every street corner in the big cities, small gangs of youths hanging out at whatever place they find and abuse polish girls and women, and last but not least, their own court system, the sharia laws, that will be above polish law. How about that? Wouldn't you just want to have all that in Poland??? And guess who's gonna get the bill. It's not Fatima and her 8 children, or Muhammed who sits on his ass all day long smoking his pipe, waiting for the government handout, no it's Piotr and Ewa who have to work extra hard because the taxes just went up. You can handle an extra 50 zloty a month so that you can live in the multicultural dream that is Islam?!

This guy will not be able to stay in Poland if I ever have my say;

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomasz_Mi%C5%9Bkiewicz

As I have mentioned in some of my earlier posts, I'm leaving Norway so that my children don't have to come in contact with this pest-ridden sect disguising itself as a religion. I do not want to see minarets or hear the prophets word yelled out from high mounted speakers 5 times a day 365 days a week, I do not want to see burka dressed women with more children than she is educated to count to, on her way to the local store to use my tax money.

I DO NOT ACCEPT ISLAM IN POLAND!

And I will fight it every step on the way, by letters to the newspapers, debate-forums like this and taking to the streets if necessary.

Dariusz Telka
McCoy 27 | 1,276
23 Nov 2009  #2
I DO NOT ACCEPT ISLAM IN POLAND!

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Crow 137 | 7,632
23 Nov 2009  #3
Poland and Muslims

one day, when history of Great Poland start to be written, historians would write about Serb Ratko as of man who liberated southern Sarmatia (southern Polish lands) from the hands of mujaheedines...

spot Serb Ratko, soldier of Great Poland >>>

Ratko Mladic in Srebrenica

youtube.com/watch?v=edFQTZpf8yM

Zasługi polskiego króla Władysława III Warneńczyka (1424-1444) dla Bałkanów

wiadomosci.onet.pl/forum.html?forumhash=MSwxNSwxMSw0MDk5Njc0NCwxMTE0NDAyMTAsNDU5NDAwNCwwLGZvcnVtMDAxLmpz

Tytuł królewski

Wladislaus, Dei gracia rex Polonie, Hungarie, Dalmacie, Croacie, Rascie, Bulgarie, Sclavonie, nec non terrarum Cracovie, Sandomirie, Lancicie, Syradie, Cuyavie, Lythuanie princeps suppremus, Pomeranie, Russieque dominus et heres etc.

NOTE: Srebrenica was (is!) considered to be part of medieval Rascie (Ras meaning Serbia).

For our King! For the Warneńczyk! Racowie of Sarmatia strike back!
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535
23 Nov 2009  #4
But Crow... hey you must agree that Tatars have always stood beside Poles and have been our most loyal and brave soliders and fighters. They have been defenders of our integrity and peaceful with the remaining population in the land.

They deserve respect and love. They are obviously Poles aswell.
Crow 137 | 7,632
23 Nov 2009  #5
True. All who respest laws and people of Sarmatia should be considered as friends and should get chance to cooperate, profit and prosper togather with us

but, all who had come with a sword should be expeled out of the Garden
vetala - | 382
23 Nov 2009  #6
Poland has quite good relations with Muslim countries. One might think that after defeating the Ottomans in Vienna, Turks would be happy for Poland to be partitioned but instead they were the only people who didn't acknowledge the partitions and even accepted Polish refugees. So did Iran after the end of WWII. And, as L_T_B said, Tatars were a loyal force of the Commonwealth. So there's absolutely nothing that we could hold against Muslims.

However, if your hate for the people who showed our nation nothing but sympathy and compassion is indeed so strong, then I suppose you will be happy to know that there are hardly any Muslims living in Poland and you will most likely never get a chance of seeing any here.
Crow 137 | 7,632
23 Nov 2009  #7
you are naive. Very

actualy, after Vienna, it was Poland that was defeated, by her so called friends. Poland was in retreat not the Turks. Conflict with Turks exhaused Poland (remind yourself- Warnencyk was killed at Varna, Zawisha Czarny in Golubac). Turks destroyed Polish interests on Balkan and pledged to annul Slavic element there. So, why Turks wouldn`t show `respect `on Poles if they could profited on internal Slavic antagonisms.

Full restoration of Polish power is conditioned by status of Serbs on Balkan. If Serbs are free and strong, Poland is powerfull. If Serbs are destroyed, Polish hopes are destroyed.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
23 Nov 2009  #8
Crow, if that is true what you say then there would be a backlash against Turks here. The truth is, the Poles benefit from the Turkish presence here. Polish history is geared very much towards WWII and the confirmation of Piłsudski's greatest fears.

I doubt that many Poles are even aware of Zawiszy the Black or others. Poland could side just as much with Croatia as it could with Serbia, esp if Poles see videos of the Serbs shelling Catholic churches in Dubrovnik and other parts of Croatia. Now we both know that those videos were based on propaganda and half-truths but many Poles just haven't been conditioned to take the Serbian side.

Tatars? Well, I know one here and she is accepted.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
23 Nov 2009  #9
Ratko Mladic

He killed - intentionally - a huge number of innocent civilians in the beginning of the 90's.

On October 11, 2007, the Serbian government had announced that €1 million would be rewarded for information which would lead to Mladić's capture and arrest.

I don't dislike Serbia as a country. But we all know that Poland loyalty goes to EU and Western Europe. Maybe Serbia will join us one day.
cheehaw 2 | 263
23 Nov 2009  #10
well it's usa not poland, but we have a muslim president and the world is not falling apart. yet. as long as he is a good diplomat it may even be helpful in world affiars.

youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY
jonni 16 | 2,485
23 Nov 2009  #11
we have a muslim president

He's not a muslim.
Crow 137 | 7,632
23 Nov 2009  #12
The truth is

truth is that Poland isn`t independant today, as it was not independant during communism or during oppresion by Russian tzars

Once, once Poland was independant and powerfull. Then, Serbians were scatered by hostile invaders and today only legend live and remembrance on time of Sarmatia. When all of us were nothing but Sarmatians, we had our moment of freedom and glory

I doubt that many Poles are even aware of Zawiszy the Black or others. Poland could side just as much with Croatia as it could with Serbia, esp if Poles see videos of the Serbs shelling Catholic churches in Dubrovnik and other parts of Croatia.

yes, it was anti-Serbian war propaganda innitiated by EU and NATO

most of Catholic Churches of Dubrovnik were built by Serbs, by Catholic Serbs and even by Orthodox Serbs, same as Orthodox Church in Dubrovnik was buit from both- from Orthodox and from Catholic Serbs. Then, in 19 century Austrians anexed Dubrovnik and declared all Catholic Serbs to be actualy Croatians.

He killed - intentionally - a huge number of innocent civilians in the beginning of the 90's.

Mladic is accused by EU, NATO and Islamic league. It doesn`t mean that he is criminal. What i can say, on the first place, Mladic defended his Serbian people which was attacked by numerous and well organized foes. Mladic`s biggest crime is that he humiliated NATO and mujaheedines that poluted Slavija
OP DariuszTelka 5 | 193
23 Nov 2009  #13
Turks would be happy for Poland to be partitioned

I don't think not accepting the partition of Poland from a couple of third world countries would really matter if Poland existed or not. That Turkey accepted polish refugees was very nice of them. This will be a sign of friendship between our nations! But that is not to say that Poland should open her borders to turkish people like Germany has done. Now they have over 3 million official turkish and MUSLIM citizens. You can add another million - or two - who live there without papers.

Again, I see people bring the word "hate". It's not hate against the muslims, it's a normal, healthy defence reaction that both my body and my mind has against anything that can, and will destroy the Polish national soul. Here in Norway, we have lost a big part of our soul. Pride in our history and our people is "racist", and "xenophobic". That must never happen in Poland. The emperor has no clothes here.

I really, really hope I never see a muslim in Poland, but I know i eventually will. Unless I completely lock myself in. But I want to explore Poland and all the beautiful places she has to offer. In Norway, there are no-go zones for ethnic norwegians and whole parts of our capital Oslo is mainly occupied by muslims. Just earlier this year, we had our own "Paris-riot"! Hurray! The streets of Oslo were in flames and people were being beat up, cars were on fire and buildings were vandalized by muslims. Oh what joy! If just my "hateful" thoughts about these "bringers of peace" and "love from Allah", would understand our love and respect for them. But, oh, they "didn't accept the partition", so therefore we must just lay down and let them roll over us. How is that for reasoning?

How would that be, walking around in Krakow, and instead of the "Jewish district", it would now be the "Muslim district". But not with coffeeshops and restaurants, but with filthy kebabshops and women in burkas trying to keep her flock of 8 children nearby. And after sunset, it's a no-go zone for ethnic christian poles. Do you want that? Really? Then please move to Germany. Berlin especially has over 150 different ethnic groups. It is not "German" anymore. I don't think it's a good thing that if you stick your head out the window in any large european city and look down at the streets, that you see the same sight. It doesn't matter which country you are in, it all looks the same. But if I stick my head out of a hotelroom in Krakow, or Poznan, or Gdansk...I know I'm in a european city! But if I do it in Berlin, Amsterdam or Paris...well...(I mean the people on the streets...NOT the landmarks...I did have geography at school...)

Exchange "hate", with "love". Exchange "racism", with "realism". If you ever read "Animal Farm" or "1984", you will find out that a people can be held down in chains just by words and ficticious terror.

Poland for the poles is not racist. Poland for the muslims is racist. To the poles! Because that means that I will have to give up my ethnic heritage and right to preserve my history and language. UN charter....it goes both ways.

Dariusz Telka
cheehaw 2 | 263
23 Nov 2009  #14
He's not a muslim.

and I am the queen of sheba.

watch the video then comment.

Obama the Muslim
youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY
jonni 16 | 2,485
23 Nov 2009  #15
I saw that video and it's trash. On the same level as those fruitcakes who say he wasn't born in the US.

Knowing something and liking it isn't the same as being it. I know and I like Jogobella, but I'm not sitting in the chiller cabinet at Marcpol.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
23 Nov 2009  #16
well it's usa not poland, but we have a muslim president and the world is not falling apart. yet. as long as he is a good diplomat it may even be helpful in world affiars.

Obama is a Christian whose religious views developed in his adult life. In The Audacity of Hope, Obama writes that he "was not raised in a religious household". He describes his mother, raised by non-religious parents (whom Obama has specified elsewhere as "non-practicing Methodists and Baptists") to be detached from religion, yet "in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known". He describes his father as "raised a Muslim", but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his stepfather as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful".
cheehaw 2 | 263
23 Nov 2009  #17
I saw that video and it's trash.

are you saying that the president of the usa talks trash?

you must be because pretty much the entire video is him talking.

he makes some good points you know, you shouldn't be so hasty to deride him.
jonni 16 | 2,485
23 Nov 2009  #18
the president of the usa talks trash

The last one certainly did.

That video is a selection of carefully edited clips to make a point that isn't there.

For the first time in 8 years, the US has got a decent president. His religion is a personal matter for him, and it wouldn't matter even if he was a muslim. But he isn't.
OP DariuszTelka 5 | 193
23 Nov 2009  #19
Obama the Muslim

That video is sickening. He is lying through his teeth. All of his statements are outright lies and racist against the western world. If any european leader said something like this but exchanged "muslim" with "christian" or "white", oh my lord....there would be a shitstorm like never before.

Obama is a puppy for the new world order, just like Bush was. He is just the 2.0 version. Better at giving speeches, better at licking the backs of his masters and an allround trickster with more false aces up his sleeve than the devil. He should have been courtmarshalled for treachery and for falsifying his birth-certificate.

Poland should deny him entrance, if he ever chooses to come, on the basis that he is an anti-european, anti-white, anti-Polish person. Would Poland invite Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein (When he was alive)? Barrack Hosein Obama sits nicely among them.

Dariusz Telka
jonni 16 | 2,485
23 Nov 2009  #20
and for falsifying his birth-certificate

And presumably for travelling in his time machine to place a birth announcement in the local newspaper in the state of Hawaii.

new world order

Some people should take a reality check.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
23 Nov 2009  #21
Here in Norway, we have lost a big part of our soul, Pride in our history

Because that means that I will have to give up my ethnic heritage and right to preserve my history and language.

Jesus, you are exaggerating. In some aspects I can agree with you. But much of what you say is just your fantasy. I haven't met one single ethnic Norwegian who lost a big part of his soul and pride in his history. You are the first one! And believe me, I have met a huge number or Norwegians. Norwegians in general are still proud of their country and history.

Norway has been voted several times in recent years as the best country in the world to live in.

Muslims have lived in Poland for an extremely long time, and it hasn't been any problems. The Muslims have been very loyal soldiers who helped to defend Poland and the Polish people. The problem in Western Europe and Scandinavia is the uncontrolled mass immigration, and that we don't demand integration clearly enough. But that doesn't mean that all Muslim people are bad people.
cheehaw 2 | 263
23 Nov 2009  #22
Obama is a Christian

I would believe he was a Christian if he had a better handle on the scripture he misuses here and there in the soundbites on the net.

either way I wouldn't expect an auto-biographical work to be anything but flattering.

I read somewhere in the past that his mother worked for Tim Geithner's father, that she was very into marx, communism and the whole bit.

Which actually does explain many of his own views on those items.

anyway I just threw the video at ya as an item of interest.

I actually have no comment on it. There it is straight from the horses mouth. the left side of the horse's mouth today anyway.

we can do a breakdown on what comes out from the right side tomorrow!
OP DariuszTelka 5 | 193
23 Nov 2009  #23
Some people should take a reality check.

It's not as clear cut as you would want it to be....

usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

Presiden Bush Senior says ooops..."The new world order":

youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Educate yourself about "The new world order":

educate-yourself.org/nwo/

Dariusz Telka
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
23 Nov 2009  #24
I wouldn't expect an auto-biographical work to be anything but flattering.

So people are not allowed to choose their religion? Obama was baptized as a Christian, and he still is. It's his choice.
jonni 16 | 2,485
23 Nov 2009  #25
Educate yourself about "The new world order":

You mean conspiracy theories dreamed up by nutters?

It's not as clear cut as you would want it to be...

He was born in Hawaii. He was born in Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. His birth was registered. It was announced in the local newspapers. The 'birther' fruitcakes have never produces one scrap of evidence to the contrary. Because there ain't any.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595
23 Nov 2009  #26
Muslims have lived in Poland for an extremely long time, and it hasn't been any problems.

DariuszTelka
Do you agree? If not tell me what part you don't agree on.

I can agree that the mass immigration to Scandinavia has gone to fast. But again, that doesn't mean that all Muslims are bad persons.
BrutalButcher - | 391
25 Nov 2009  #27
DariuszTelka knows Pisslam for what it is. Visiting European big cities can teach you what ISlam and Islamic culture are all about!
Des Esseintes - | 6
25 Nov 2009  #29
The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was not an Islamophobic place. There were Muslim members of the gentry. Islamophobia is un-Polish. The initiator of this thread should stay in Norway. I suspect he fears Muslim food vendors "sperm filled sauces" because he already has too much sperm in his diet.
grethomory 1 | 154
25 Nov 2009  #30
Religion, Religion, Religion. Here's a quote:

Mohandas Gandhi:
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

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