Poland isn't in bad situation ... all in all you can get good girl in Poland
or you can go to Bielarus or Ukraine and there you can get everything but if you marry one there is kind of risk ...
Anny way I am not poor and slutty (greedy) girls are everywhere ... I've traveled a lot and I've noticed that many girls when they notice that you have some money move on you (not all of course) ... :)
Poland isn't responsible for the Holocaust. But why should Poland profit from the Holocaust? Then we can start discussing their tax status in Poland.
WWII wasn't only about Holocaust. Poland lost 38% of its national assets and Poland was looser in this war. Poland lost milions of ehtnic citizens and according to you milions of Israelis on Polish soil ... Poland haven't profited on this war.
Maybe the Vatican should claim some money.
Maybe compensations for Polish catholic vicimes should have been paid for Vatican ? I am thinking why you don't support this claim.
I asked you to tell me which synagogues they attended!
And I ask you what kind of relationship is between Jews with no hairs ... and some Israeli Jews ...
Maybe Vatican should make some claims... for christans killed:)
What is more Poland isn't responisble for Holocaust. Ethnic Poles were victmes of Holocaust.
And of course an ethnic Jew can never be an ethnic Pole (at least in your tiny little mind).
As I know it is not possble to change ethnicy ... nationality is much diffrent story.
Anny way :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek_Edelman
Why Germans closed him in getto when he was anti-zionist ? If he died ... Germany would pay compensation for Israel ... and some american Jews would be his heirs ...
LOL
I asked you to tell me which synagogues they attended, where they had their bar mitzvahs, which chevra adisha handled the body and what reason these Jews gave to their non-religious bosses in order being excused any work on the sabbath.
What is more ... if we assume that people of Jewish faith are nation ... and members of this religion from usa are their heirs ... then we should treat all people of this faith as foreign agents.
Jakub Berman (December 26, 1901, in Warsaw, then Russian Empire - April 10, 1984) was a Polish communist politician. As a member of the Polish United Workers' Party's Politburo he was in charge of State Security Services (Urząd Bezpieczeństwa) and considered Joseph Stalin's right hand in the People's Republic of Poland between 1944 and 1953.
What is more one of the reaons why Stalin choosen him was that he wasn't ethnic Pole ... he was ethnic Jew...
Yes, because of course a Pole can never be a Jew, right?
Why you promote multiculturalism in European countries on this web page ?
If we folow your way of thinking all people of Jewish faith (faith!) blong to nation ... and it is their duty to be loyal for this nation. IT IS ZIONIZM !!! Not all Jews were Zionists...
She was a Catholic Pole. Why should Jews take any responsibility for what a Catholic Pole did?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Brystiger
In my opinion if she was killed durring WWII ... she wouldn't count as Polish catholic. We don't know how many Jews would be commie after the war ... and how many of them would convert on Catholic faith 2 months before their death.
Harry
Harry do you want more proven Jewish communists ?
Which says "To become the member of the community it will be sufficient to have one Jewish grandparent, which many persons don't know about." So a person can become a member of that organisation if they want to and have one Jewish grandparent. The association is not trying to "make Jews" out of anybody.
I also find it strage ... but in general views represented by some organisations make me suspicious towards members of Judaism religion groups... It makes them foreign agants in host countries.
Żeby zostać członkiem gminy wystarczy mieć jednego dziadka Żyda, o czym wiele osób nie wie.
Offcial page of Polish Jews.
ANNY WAY:
Harry you don't udnerstand what Holocaust was about. It wasn't about Jewish faith. It was about Jewish blood in sombodys veins. It is well proven.
No they would not. No matter how many times you repeat this lie, it still won't be the truth.
Of course they would ask for money ... first of all Germans would pay for her death durring Holocaust (as long as she would be killed for drop of Jewish blood in her veins and in concentration camp she would bear David Star even if she wasn't religous person) and now they would ask for other isses. When it comes to bearing responisibility for her actions ... here comes the problems...
She had a Jewish father. That does not make her Jewish. A Jew's faith is passed down from the mother's side.
Only in some Orthodox Jewish commuities. ... Major Jewish organisations in Poland are trying to make Jews from people who have one grandmother or grandfather with Jewish origin...
Anny way durring WWII if she was cathed by Germans she would be killed for her Jewish blood... now this organisations would ask for money for her actions.
until I pointed out that she was actually a Polish Catholic....
/wiki/Julia_Brystiger
Julia Brystiger (née Prajs), born November 25, 1902 in Stryj, died November 9, 1975 in Warsaw, was a Polish Communist activist and a member of the Stalinist apparatus. She was also known as Julia Brystygier, Bristiger, Brustiger, Briestiger, Brystygierowa, Bristigierowa, and by her nicknames Luna, Bloody Luna, Daria, Ksenia, Maria. The nickname Bloody Luna was a direct reference of her Gestapo-like methods during interrogations[
She was the daughter of a Jewish pharmacist from Stryj.
This argument is like other your arguments. If she was killed durring WWII ... some organisations would ask for compensations ... from POLAND !!!! LOL
I see this organisations want to bear responisbility for her actions.
And US government is actively supporting that multi-billion scam attempt... We need change... Yes we can...
I am just thinking why USA doesn't support Poles who lost properties in Lwów or Wilno ...
While those countries have opposed restitution of property whose owners left behind no heirs
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman
If Berman was killed durring WWII without heirs ... this organisation would ask for his properties ... so maybe they sould bear responsibility for his actions.
You should be proud of him. In every nation you can find commies, nazis, cosmpolitan people, socialists, liberals (in different proportions thought).... he was successful among communists. Religous Poles love JPII ... maybe Dzierżyński success story is a little bit out standing but still ... he was the best among commies.
This fella is credited with being responsible for the largest number of communists ever killed by anybody :)
Well ... there must be the reason why so many people in Bielarus pray to his pictures to this day. :)
Oh well Jewish elites were cooperationg with Polish aris elites ... nothing wrong with that.
As for successes of this group ... well poor unsuccessful Jews were discriminated in their society and pushed out ... many of them changed names and beacame Poles it was normal parctise until 19 century ... how many of you can trace thier family history to 1750 ? ... How to say it ... at the end many unsuccesful Jews became Polish ... mentioned before lawers were Jewish.
Not always thought :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Jewish_Labour_Union
What is more in veins of hated so much by some posters of this forum Jews ... is a lot of Polish blood. As long as Jewness goes throught mother ... many Jewish woman wanted their kids to look more Polish and they have been choosing Polish partners for such reason ... without marriage.
People like it or not but many Poles who don't even know about their roots have Jewish origin...
We can debate about this small brigade ... and their engagement. Finaly they weren't shot in the head or hanged by some of communistic (not all Jews were commies) Holocaust survivors or NKVD which murdered or imprisoned most of anti-Nazi resistance members in Poland....
Like for example Żegota members :en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Żegota
"Żegota" ( [ʐˈɡɔt̪a] (help·info)), also known as the "Konrad Żegota Committee,"[1] was a codename for the Council to Aid Jews (Rada Pomocy Żydom), an underground organization in German-occupied Poland from 1942 to 1945.
It operated under the auspices of the Polish Government in Exile through the Government Delegation for Poland, in Warsaw. Żegota's express purpose was to aid the country's Jews and find places of safety for them in occupied Poland. Poland was the only country in occupied Europe where there existed such a dedicated secret organization
Yes it is true... most of them was imprisoned or murdered after the war ...
Polish hatred towards Jews...
Well we already know all stereotypes. Now going back to responsibility.
Jews aren't responsible for their guards or collaborators. Jews were victims of Nazi Germany. Poles were victimes of Nazi Germany and Soviets ...
Life of 2 000 000 people killed by Germans isn't worth less than 3 000 000 Jews killed by Germans.
"In the fight against the Nazis again on May 5, 1945 in Bohemia, where the NSZ brigade liberated female prisoners from a concentration camp in Holiszowo, including 280 Jewish prisoners. The brigade suffered heavy casualties."
Out of the Inferno: Poles Remember the Holocaust edited by Richard Lukas, pg 22.
Well here is link to offcial site of Polish jews where they talk about " engagement in communism"
fzp.net.pl/spot12.html
You know BB it is not secret in Poland.
The same as who murdered Gen Nil you can watch good movie about it.
/wiki/Emil_August_Fieldorf
The charges against her were initiated by the Commission for Investigating Crimes against the Polish Nation, which claimed that Wolińska was an "accessory to a court murder", classified as a Stalinist crime, and is punishable by up to 10 years in prison. The case attracted international attention.[1]Wolińska-Brus died 26 November 2008
and here is his dauther talking about ethnic grup of people who murdered him :
I don't care if it is popular subject in the world but you can't change facts.
/wiki/Helena_Wolińska-Brus
Wolińska was born in a Polish Jewish family in Warsaw,
Lt. Col. Helena Wolińska-Brus (1919-2008) (born as Fajga Mindla Danielak) was a military prosecutor in Poland with the rank of lieutenant-colonel (podpułkownik), involved in Stalinist regime show trials of the 1950s. She has been implicated in the arrest - and in some cases death - of key figures in Poland's anti-Nazi resistance.
It wasn't mith ... and I am not accusing anny ethnic group.
As to WWII: /wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Poles_during_the_Holocaust
Polish Jews were the primary victims of the German Nazi-organized Holocaust. Throughout the German occupation of Poland, many Polish gentiles - at great risk to themselves and their families - rescued Jews from the Nazis. Evidence indicates there were more Polish rescuers than people from any other nation.[1]
As to Germans: /wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939-1945)
Over 6 million Polish citizens - nearly 21.4% of the pre-war population of the Second Polish Republic - died between 1939 and 1945.[64] Over 90% of the death toll involved non-military losses, as most civilians were targets of various deliberate actions by the Germans and Soviets.[64]
Both occupiers wanted not only to gain Polish territory, but also to destroy Polish culture and the Polish nation as a whole
Losses by ethnic group were 3,100,000 Jews; 2,000,000 ethnic Poles
Nothing makes your responisiblity for ethnic Poles killed lower.
as to the miths: KPP was communistic organistaion in Poland before WWII ...
Jews constituted 53% of the "active members" of the KPP, 75% of its "publication apparatus," 90% of the "international department for help to revolutionaries" and 100% of the "technical apparatus" of the Home Secretariat. In Polish court proceedings against communists between 1927 and 1936, 90% of the accused were Jews. In terms of membership, before its dissolution in 1938, 25% of KPP members were Jews; most urban KPP members were Jews—a substantial number, given an 8.7% Jewish minority in prewar Poland.
Source :
Poland's Holocaust: Ethnic Strife, Collaboration with Occupying Forces and Genocide.... McFarland & Company. pp. 36–37.
Even your Der Spiegel mentioned some graves of ethnic Poles in eastern Poland under Soviet occupation (1939).
Anny way ... I am not going to accuse anny ethinc group.
Germans came to Poland with plan and made it real. Murdered milions of people ... 6 mln citizens ... it is not so easy to clean te hands as long as one ethnic group received huge compensation and other haven't.
This is the author of this book, who made his wife and kids deported and killed. And you quote his statements?
I quote Emanuel Ringelblum his statements are repeated in many other books one of them is one you quoted. Book you quoted isn't for all high school students'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Ringelblum
Anny way I am not truing to make criminals from "all Jews" and I am discussing about something much different.
^ a b c "Judischer Ordnungsdienst". Museum of Tolerance. Simon Wiesenthal Center. Retrieved on 2008-01-14. ^ deathcamps.org/occupation/warsaw%20ghetto.html ^ Raul Hilberg: The Destruction of the European Jews, Quadrangle Books, Chicago 1961, p. 310. ^ Collins, Jeanna R.. "Am I a Murderer?: Testament of a Jewish Ghetto Policeman (review)". Mandel Fellowship Book Reviews. Kellogg Community College. Retrieved on 2008-01-13.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Ghetto_Police
In Warsaw Ghetto the Jewish police numbered 2500 people, in Ghetto Litzmannstadt 1200, in Lviv Ghetto 500 people etc.[3]
The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum has described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Ringelblum
Shortly before the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising Ringelblum together with his family was smuggled out of the Ghetto and hidden on the "Aryan" side. However, on March 7, 1944 his refuge was discovered by the Germans; Ringelblum with his family were executed together with the family of Poles who hid them.
Source :
Samuel D. Kassow, Who Will Write Our History? Emanuel Ringelblum, the Warsaw Ghetto, and the Oyneg Shabes Archive, Bloomington & Indianapolis 2007. Samuel D. Kassow, "Emanuel Ringelblum and Jewish Society", Michael, Institute of Diaspora Studies, Tel Aviv University, 2004
Read at least pp. 17-21 for your general knowledge.
As to the source :
^ a b c "Judischer Ordnungsdienst". Museum of Tolerance. Simon Wiesenthal Center. Retrieved on 2008-01-14. ^ deathcamps.org/occupation/warsaw%20ghetto.html ^ Raul Hilberg: The Destruction of the European Jews, Quadrangle Books, Chicago 1961, p. 310. ^ Collins, Jeanna R.. "Am I a Murderer?: Testament of a Jewish Ghetto Policeman (review)". Mandel Fellowship Book Reviews. Kellogg Community College. Retrieved on 2008-01-13.
Avoiding fact that in 1910 ... there was no independent Poland and this arena was under Austrain partion.... Jews from current Ukraine are ... Ukrainan issue as they were murdered there like Poles ...
I am talking about Jews from Poland who lived between Poles.
It is all about money : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek_Edelman
Marek Edelman (born December 31, 1922) is a Polish political and social activist, cardiologist, and last living leader of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. He lives in £ódź.
In the summer of 2007 an Israeli youth group came to £ódź in order to make documentary films with a group of Polish youth. One of the films was made about Marek Edelman, and emphasized the fact that the Israeli youngsters had never heard of Edelman, supposedly because he had been anti-zionist. While the filming, the group met Edelman and interviewed him.
You know why they don't talk about him ... because if he died ... Israel would get money! and he had anti-zionist views. What makes compensation issue more difficult because in case of his death durring wwii they would get money for him not Poland.... Now they would ask for his property and this guy had anti-zionst views...
Sombody made form every person with drop of Jewish blood ... Israels on Polish soil.
As to Polish christian victimes - well I don't see the difference between christain Poles burned in concetration camps and "alleged" Israelis on Polish soil (because they all were zionist). The fact that Germany hasn't copensated Polish state as they compensated Israel ... it is strange ...
What is more in my opinion it has much more to do with PR than morality.
Going back to the subject : haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1090024.html
Comment number 10:
WHAT`S THE BIG UPROAR ABOUT :
They learned from the Israeli banks and the State of Israel. We are also withholding moneis and propwerty that should go to the Holocaust survivors to help them to live their last years with some dignity
First of all occupation of Poland wasn't only about the Jews...
In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles
Poland lost 6 mln citizens (murdered by occupator) and before WWII there was only 3 mln Jews in Poland.
As to marginal element ... there were such people in every ethnic group.
Jewish Ghetto Police (German: Jüdische Ghetto-Polizei, Jüdischer Ordnungsdienst), also known as the Jewish Order Service and referred by the Jews as the Jewish Police, were the auxiliary police units organized in the Jewish ghettos by the local Judenrat councils under German Nazi orders.[1] The Jewish Order Service was also active in some of the Nazi concentration camps.
The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum has described the cruelty of the ghetto police as "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Ghetto_Police
What is more in such conditions some people became really bad for their countryman...
Anny way. Fact that somebody values Christian life less than Jewish is racist.
Lets say Polish Christian victims haven't received 5% of what Jews received ... what shows only racial policy of German government after WWII. No more no less.
Polish citizens have the world's highest count of individuals awarded medals of Righteous among the Nations, given by the State of Israel to non-Jews who saved Jews from extermination during the Holocaust.
Capital punishment of entire families, for aiding Jews, was the most draconian such Nazi practice against any nation in occupied Europe. On November 10, 1941, the death penalty was expanded by Hans Frank to apply to Poles who helped Jews (...)
I've heard the explanation that they hadn't been "real" Jews because they gave it up to be communists - hence the jewish world does not need to feel responsible for them. *shrug*
In case of their death durring WWII ... before proven open collaboration ... they would be Jews for this congress...
Lehar, like Strauss, was of Jewish descent, although this again was never acknowledged by Hitler, who is believed to have said: 'I decide who is Jewish.'
Between 1944-1956 Berman was a member of Politbiuro of Polish United Workers' Party (PUWP) responsible for Urząd Bezpieczeństwa (State Security Services), propaganda, and ideology. In this capacity he was directly responsible for Stalinist-type terror and repressions against real and imagined political opponents of the communist regime in Poland. Urząd Bezpieczeństwa prosecution of ex-Home Army members, Roman Catholic Church clergy, and purges in the military, resulted in at least 6,000 death sentences, imprisonment and prosecuction of estimated 500,000 Polish patriots.
Maybe Jewish World congres would like to inherit their heritage ? and pay compensation for their crimes ?
In case of their death durring WWII. They would ask for some money for their death?
In my opinion it is Jewish congress which defrauded money which should be paid for Poland not for Israel. They think in Nazi way and make from every peson with drop of Jewish blood Jew... If they want to think in this way they should be ready to pay compensation for all crimes commited in Stalinist Poland by people who share blood with them.
