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NomadatNet   
4 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

Smoleńsk is hardly the warmest place on Earth, even in April.

Anyway, fog isn't so important. If there wasn't fog, story/report could be written differently (supposing it wasn't accident.)

That airport was civil airport since 2009. and there are two factories nearby it, and they are aviation and yak factories (read from wiki.) There must have been some civil polices or any intelligence/security service people waiting and controlling airport area and region as important people were coming to that airport. But, video taken by some irrelevant people who shouldn't have been there in secured area.

if they were executing survivors, wouldn't the Russians have made sure that video never saw the day of light after such an elaborate plot?

Maybe, they needed to release it, for whatever reason, for chaos increase, who knows. If so, likely, they played with the voices too there in the video, but, couldn't do more not to damage the continuity of the data flow. Interrupted data flow in the video that could be realized by anyone could be more doubtful.
NomadatNet   
4 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

Of course, ours here now is comments only, but, such things will not be written in official reports which are voices to the public.

Indeed, it is very very small chance that nobody survived in that crash that can be called relatively soft-crash.

My guess about the video taken at the crash site is it is fake, taken by someones who were there already. They probably just didn't clean it enough. Btw, there is an old man in it, with a bag in his hand. When did crash happen? April 10. But, he wears a coat as if it is winter. (to carry a gun in his coat?)

Btw, is there any satellite data or independent met site that confirms there was fog there in that area on April 10? Only Minsk, but, not enough, isnt it.
NomadatNet   
4 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

Yea, I don't buy that either. They both managed to show up in Brussels at the same time...

For ceremony, it is illogical to host a big group, 96 people, and prime minister seperately. According to Delphandomine, Russia requested this.

Anyway. It seems that majority of people are saying it was accident. Then, from philosophical and theological point of view, it is a fate/destiny as well. But, usually, a person or two survive in accidents/fates. Claims about shooting in the video maybe true then if it was accident.
NomadatNet   
4 Aug 2011
History / Why did communism in Poland fail? [180]

The civil unrest in the middle east is now a bench mark for a discussion on the generic failure of totalitariansim

it goes nowhere.. civil unrests aren't happening in real totalitarian regimes there.. by squeezing syria, where will you reach? nowhere.. if they are forced furher, their regime will change toward a regime like saudi arabia.. i guess this will be liked only by united kingdom.. or, it will be toward like iran if russia-china-iran collobration with syria becomes successful.. two-totalitarians are at field, uk-saudi-etc vs russia-iran-syria-etc.. whoever wins this battle loses somethings.

Topic: Why did communism in Poland fail?
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
History / Why did communism in Poland fail? [180]

Makes sense what the Jew is saying.I would only add that there was no reason for brutality while creating kibbutzes because I don't think the kibbutz members owned any land before creation of kibbutz.Someone correct me if I am wrong here.In Poland's case in order to create a PGR they had to first take the land away from farmers.

But, he is a right wing Jew. There is a boil in Israel now who are boycotting somethings related to economy, their social economy, etc.

About farm. In private farm lands here and anywhere, productivity is always lower than state controlled farm lands with experts like agricultural engineers, etc.. If you give a farm land to a villager, you can make him happy at the beginning for a while, but, his limited knowledge about agricultural, biology, etc will make him obtain low production and in time, will make him poor. and he'll be searching to be a worker to be able to feed himself and his family after a while.

Problem in Soviets wasn't socialism, it was that the state was not well organized, knowledgable people, experts were not put at duties. Nationalist, etc ideologics were at top and criterias for admin seats were such things, hence, failed, also by outside effects.
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
History / Why did communism in Poland fail? [180]

Sorry, queuing at 4am in the morning just ain't socialism.

it is africa ain't socialism.. people there in the ques for small breads.

there were long queus in turkey too between 1970-1980 and it wasn't socialist country, either.
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

There's indeed an amazing similarity but wait it gets better…. That Tupolev was an exact replica of Twin Towers I mean both start with ‘T’ …and the twin engines – this is not a coincidence! This is a Templar conspiracy, written in oil!

I totally agree with you..
And, air plane. Ones hitting the buildings and one hitting the ground.
Bush said suicide attack. Putin said accident.. .

No. The report makes it clear - the Russians asked if they could have two separate ceremonies for logistical reasons (protecting both the Prime Minister and President at the same time - difficult).

Reason: protecting Prime Minister and President at the same time would be difficult? And, this is logistical reason for two seperate ceremonies? Russia wasn't enough big company that could accept them both at the same time? PM could be just another among 96 people.
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

The only people pushing that line are the ones who think that Putin cared less about a ceremonial President of a minor European country.

Didn't Putin blame the visit of Kacyznski to Katryn? and didn't he warn Katcynski?
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

You, along with a minority of others, seek to blame Russia because it's simply easier than accepting that some of the best Poland has flew the plane into the ground.

People are not blaming Russia, they are searching truths and they may be some people in Russia who even you may not like.. (for ex, Kaczynski's this trip was blamed and warned by Putin et al, wasn't it?)

Anyway, this Smolensk story will be similar to Twin Tower story in that many reports showed that without bombs under the towers, those twin towers and wt7 wouldn't collapse.
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
History / Why did communism in Poland fail? [180]

Probably, he would. And, he has a chance for that even if it is little. Ferrari isn't an unreachable thing.

What if he'd want to be a royal, a price, a lord?
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

Ok, thanks, Seanus.

The military prosecutors informed , that the interruption of power supply of on-board computer took place 15 m above the ground and at a distance of 60-80 meters from the first contact with the ground by plane .

So, without touching the ground, some technical problems happened in the airplane and this wasn't mentioned in official reports. And, this is informed by military prosecutors, in another kind of report.
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
News / Poland has most world's beautiful coin [13]

‘The most beautiful coin in the world”

This one?

If it were called "the most handsome coin in the world", it could be meaningful.
(however, it is clear why it was chosen, a romantic musician portrait is depicted and it is a new fresh breath after all political, religious and army portraits on the coins.)



NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

- we were the first to bring down communism.

this isn't a thing to be proud of. however, you can be proud of bringing down artificial communists Russian Soviets. Note that Europe getting poorer and poorer who were anti-socialists/anti-communists before will be socialists/communists more and more.. One wonder what will be the new position of Poland then. We'll see after the change in Western Europe.
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
History / Why did communism in Poland fail? [180]

Another good question for you... if the Russians were nationalistic (as you claimed) then why did they eliminated their intellectual elites in millions during the Soviet era and by means of that made the Polish word "bydlo" so applicable to the nowadays Russian society?

Is this a good question? Simple answer it has. First, Russia was a tsar-dom, i.e. a kingdom. Riches were those generated by tsardom, were people who were close to tsar, were royal families, as it always happen in monarchies, still so if you look at the House of Lords, 800 lords in today United Kingdom. You see them elites today? I don't. Maybe, they were useful in the past, centuries ago, but, not anymore. So, they are not elites. In 1917 revolution, these riches/lords of tsardom monarchy were arrested, killed, eliminated, etc. They too were Russians and they were nationalists who were also collobrating with the religious institutions, churchs. Design of revolution might be done by someones else, to win against the tsardom, but, appliers were poor workers anyway who were mostly Russians of whom there were many nationalists who were seeing Tsar and his lords were not enough nationalists.. So, those more radical nationalists killed those tsars, lords, etc who were seen as less nationalists.. Later, millions killed during Soviets, happened especially starting with Stalin, were mostly folks from other nations such as Turkics, etc as Soviets were forcing their locations to cut their connections. This was acceptable by Soviet Russian nationalist center to eliminate the threats against Russian nationalist center. Since they were Muslims mostly, it was acceptable by the church in Russia which had started to collobrate with Russian nationalist center of Soviets and by Europe churches as well.

Anyway, Soviets were not socialists really, it became visible especially starting with early 1930s. However, as mentioned above, one important thing entered the human life, historical existing socialism in their lifes of ordinary people became official name, became a governing system first time in the human history and some applications such as free education and free health care were enjoyed by ordinary people. These were being given free in religious government systems too, but, they were not systemized, they were like donations which caused discrimination, abusements, exploits.

Russian center of Soviets who were nationalists collobrating with churches inside Russia underground and churches of Europe returned to old monarchy system with nationalism and religious characters starting late 1920s and early 1930s. Also, while monarchy Europe, todays Western Europe who were collobrating with Soviet Russia nationalists for their movements about other folks' movements (Turkics, etc) who were mostly muslims, the same monarchies kept their rope of Russians by their other hands and pulled down slowly, till 1980s. Russians fell in the same old trap of monarchies who have been using nationalism and religiousism efficiently. Maybe, these characters of monarchies aren't seen so visibly in Western Europe monarchies. Just look at Saudi Kingdom. Their core is a monarchy with feudal system. They play Arab nationalism card in their ordinary folks and relgiousism card to other folks. Their lifestyle inside the palace is like socialism, communism, free-living if you define socialism/capitalism as free-living which is not understood by a person, who is called capitalist, who works hard to make money to live..

Read Wroclaw boy's post in that who says there are luxury cars of bosses and there are many poor cars belonging employee. It is true, but, at least, those bosses are either among ordinary folks or they worked hard before. Before them, there are monarchy royals, lords, etc who live luxury life from beginning to end. And, those monarchy lords have weapon powers, gun powers, laws on their sides as army guys, politicans, religious institutions, etc do not like those riches of whom at least some of them worked hard to make their money. Since ordinary people face these company owners more in their daily lifes, they become allergic to these company bosses while they don't see the big monster, monarchies and their lords. Sure, many of company bosses too are on their sides of monarchies, but, there are some who are challenging against them. To see these, look at Israel and Saudi Kingdom. One of them working hard, made money and bought the land and keep working. The other is lazily sitting, playing mind games and collobrating with monarchies of other parts of the world. And, the result is; big majority of world ordinary people are anti-israil. I am not Israel lover either, but, the main problem isn't them, it is Saudi Kingdom, Britain Kingdom, etc etc with monarchy systems who see all others below them, who don't like anyone else other than themselves. When monarchy system in the world is abolished, progression toward socialist system will be much easier. When you do a difficult work, if your leg is pulled back by someone, it is not easy to do any work. Monarchy system is doing that. For what? For nothing else than to save their positions, wealth and easy life and it is hard for them to accept ordinary common people who they have seen low people for centuries..
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
Love / Polish women USED TO BE much more attractive: [162]

100-200+ years ago, average weight of men were about 120 kg (250 pounds.) But, they were not fat. I guess, women even today would find them more attractive. (we are critisizing women here - but, we men are in worse shapes.)
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
Love / Polish women USED TO BE much more attractive: [162]

Calling someone fat is also a matter of taste-some ppl will call girl that weights 55 kg fat and some a girl that weights 77.

I said it above, I didn't mean weight by fat. Fat, not meat, not muscle.. Fat = grease, oil (i don't know another word to express the fat.)

55 kg and 77 kg, both can be healthy, hence beautiful if their fat percentage is not above the limit. Not only women, but also, many men today are fats whether they are less or more weights.. And, one of main reasons for that, as I said above, is desk-work jobs which are paid more salary. If desk work jobs are paid less than field work jobs, people will prefer to do more field works, therefore, they will have less fat.
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
Love / Polish women USED TO BE much more attractive: [162]

"to cos", something special, can change from person to person, somethings like matter of taste.. but, i don't think fat (not saying weight) is found beautiful by big majority of men, maybe, by few fat fetish ones. Unhealthy woman isn't beautiful and the more fatty the less healthy.
NomadatNet   
3 Aug 2011
Love / Polish women USED TO BE much more attractive: [162]

When McDonalds first arrived in Poland 99% of females looked amazing and slim.

Were there McDonalds 100somethings years ago?

100+ years ago, women with more weight were seen beautiful while slim women were not. and, those days, women were trying to gain weight.
I remember two decades ago, slim skinny women were popular.
Rather than weight, I view fat percentage in the body is more important.
As f-stop said, lazyness/deskworks/etc are making people with more fat. but, salaries of deskwork jobs are much more than field work jobs and deskworks are easier. but, it causes such problems like health, shape, etc.
NomadatNet   
2 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

Usually for an accident to happen there must be lots of bad coincidencies.In this case we can attribute everything to the harsh russian weather which stopped Hitler and Napoleon as well.

russian weather? weather too has a nationality? lol. (perhaps, you mean it was an artificial weather, artificial fog, who knows. i thought that too and it's not out of technology today, is it.?)
NomadatNet   
2 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

This is interesting even though their approaches of Polish officials in commision can be understandable.. (only reason I can think of why they talked different to families is that they might have difficulty to say their lost ones' faults.) On the other hand, their talking different to journalists can be considered as "blaming russians totally even by words in open media may lead to a war that won't be good for Poland as it can be food by the powers." Poland's officials can speak so, normal, understandable.. However, speaking different to families and journalists and everybody knowing that means, for us ordinary people, somethings strange and this is known by those officials too even if they are on Russian side or not..
NomadatNet   
2 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

Sasha says: "I haven't heard anything but a siren at 0.54"

There are some human sounds/voices there at 00:50-00:52
(a Pole say same thing in his comments under youtube, in his native Polish as well.)

With a noise filter, it can be decipherable easily. (he says it is a polish sentence.)

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Anyway. If we back to the report, one of main blames, perhaps most highlighted one, is poor pilot training.. as Monia just mentioned above and Delphiandomine approved/agreed well.. which I too agree. (then, it is not accident, it is a suicide..)
NomadatNet   
2 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

that is the topic of the thread

JonnyM's copied post from Guardian.co.uk above summarized the analysis well. I sign & stamp it.. We are expected to sign & stamp the report too? If we do this, we are above the prime ministers, presidents, etc.. Maybe, that's why Poland defence minister resigned after this report. Also, I thought people like Monia here are saying that the report is false, not enough, etc.
NomadatNet   
2 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

please don't take the discussion in this direction. we already have threads full of it.

which direction shall i go? focusing on the final report only?

(my point/question with this video was about their opinions of Poles, rather than someones else, as Poles know Polish better than everybody here who have been discussing things here. Anyway, it was only a question that wouldn't lead to more discussions at all. What did Poles here on the forum say about these talks in the video?)

Yes. (I know Polish) Very well.

as much as you can understand the difference between the accents?
(understanding accent differences isn't so easy unless you are local. And, Jonny, you aren't local, but, a British.)
NomadatNet   
2 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

falsified by who? JonnyM, do you know Polish and/or Russian?

(why do you not let Poles here answer to this comment on youtube? There is a claim by an average Joiski that says "people speak polish there with russian accent - except one that says - i live.." )
NomadatNet   
2 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

Jonny, from your paragraph you copied from Guardian news column, someone mentioned a youtube video about a man who took a video just after the incident. Probably, many of you already know it. Here it is: ...

I found the video interesting. Since I didn't know Polish/Russian, I read their comments of people under this youtube video there and when I read this comment below in italic, I found the video more interesting. Maybe, Poles here can confirm?

megamakin says there on comment page 3:
Did you ever heard when people from Poland talking in their language? Did you? I think you didnt. All voice what you can heard on this video, is with russian accent.

But something strange is in 00:54, there we can heard a polish word: "żyje". "I live".

This moment is strange and scary. I don't know what i think about that. This one word is with Polish accent, propably this is polish voice.

NomadatNet   
2 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

I think they'll be rather too busy prosecuting Poles to bother with Russians, don't you think?

Maybe, prosecuting Russians too in Russia by Russians too already started, who knows.. Don't be so sure.
NomadatNet   
2 Aug 2011
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

Difficult question, and one that the investigators couldn't answer either.

So, civil or military, it is flue if investigators are not sure. Investigators (Russians) there at the location of incident chosen then it was military flight. It is okay. When it is military flight, the investigation rules change, isn't it. In this case, if there is assassination, it is military crime.. (do you think that Medyedev's pressure on some many generals there has anything to do with that?)