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Poland reveals its new super car.


Sebastian 6 | 108
27 May 2011  #1
gtspirit.com/2011/05/26/polish-arrinera-automotive-previews-supercar/

Did any of you guys check this car out? It's cool, but for ***** sake, couldn't it have been more original? It looks like a carbon copy of a Lamborghini, especially the outside.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
27 May 2011  #2
World is giving up petrolium engined cars for electric powered cars and Poland is investing on a luxury petrolium car? We can see it in museum in a few years without being used much.
wildrover 98 | 4,452
27 May 2011  #3
Electric power is all very well , and good for the environment , but whizzing down the road on my Harley with only the sound of an electric motor...? nah , i would rather walk...

I love the sound of a Harley with open pipes , and the rumble of V8 car engines , i hope i am dead before those sounds are gone forever....

The reason the Polish car looks like a Lambo is because it was designed to be aerodynamic , so not suprisingly looks very similar to another car that was also designed to be a good shape...

All cars created in a wind tunnel are going to look pretty similar...
NomadatNet 1 | 457
27 May 2011  #4
Electric power is all very well , and good for the environment , but whizzing down the road on my Harley with only the sound of an electric motor...?

With electric power, you can simulate any car or motor voice including Harley's, even bird voices.. Record voices into a tape and add power loud speakers at the rear of electric car, nobody will understand it is petrolium engined Harley or electric car.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,449
27 May 2011  #5
Here are two other recent Polish entries into the ecological car field:

In a small factory Impact Automotive Technologies in Pruszkow started initial production of Polish, three-wheeled electric mini car SAM.

As announced by the head of marketing IAT, Mariusz Wnukiewicz, the first copies of the three-wheeled urban mini cars are waiting for transport abroad, to Switzerland and Germany. In Poland it is planned to sell little car in the second half of August

moto.onet.pl/1569678,1,polski-samochod-na-prad-juz-w-produkcji,artykul.html?node=25

motonews.pl/forum/?op=fvt&t=11276&c=0&f=25
wildrover 98 | 4,452
27 May 2011  #6
nobody will understand it is petrolium engined Harley or electric car.

Its just not going to be the same...

They can never make an electric bike that looks , sounds and performs like a Harley....

I could play the sound of a Ferrari in my Maluch , but its not going to be quite the same as driving a Ferrari i think....?
Velund 1 | 324
27 May 2011  #7
With electric power, you can simulate any car or motor voice including Harley's, even bird voices..

Hm...
Why vast majority of people prefer real sex to any adult toys money can buy? ;)
Why believers believe in God/Allah/You_Name_It while there is lots of things that is much easier to believe in? ;)
wildrover 98 | 4,452
27 May 2011  #8
The new Russian made supercar is quite tasty...have you seen it Velund...?

The Polish electric car looks like fun..... i would buy one of those....

Not sure i would feel safe driving it in Poland though....?
NomadatNet 1 | 457
27 May 2011  #9
Hm...
Why vast majority of people prefer real sex to any adult toys money can buy? ;)

Ha? You say electric cars are toys unlike oil engine cars/motors?
Not at all. Oil engined motors are toys, electric motors will be much more powerful in the near future, you will see.. Don't we already know heaviest vehicles, which are trains, are electric powered?
Velund 1 | 324
27 May 2011  #10
The new Russian made supercar is quite tasty...have you seen it Velund...?

Photos only. I think it will be toy for guys that don't know where to spend few more of that boring millions.. ;)
wildrover 98 | 4,452
27 May 2011  #11
True.... but its nice to dream....
Velund 1 | 324
27 May 2011  #12
Ha? You say electric cars are toys unlike oil engine cars/motors?

For now - pure toys. Until someone invent rechargeable batteries with similar energy/volume and energy/weight properties as gasoline tank.

Don't we already know heaviest vehicles, which are trains, are electric powered?

What will be your electric train do on a track without contact wires?

I seen large Belaz and Caterpillar trucks at work. There is electric transmission but still diesel engine.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
27 May 2011  #13
Main problem, since last century when petrol engined vehicles entered the dailylife, has been that big portion of research budgets have been spent on such petrolium engines and vehicles. If the same amount of efforts and money were spent on electric vehicles, today, we could have seen very different, powerful electric cars and vehicles. It has been a waste of time due to oil politics globally as the global powers forced science and technology to be dependent to the oil/petrol. Now, they started to understand they are on the wrong way and everybodys thinking alternatives and main alternative is electric power. From now on, a new century, a new era is starting, and the main power will be electric.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,708
27 May 2011  #14
It looks like a carbon copy of a Lamborghini, especially the outside.

Most newbies start out with copying successful models. The experience and the dare to try out own designs comes with time.
Velund 1 | 324
27 May 2011  #15
From now on, a new century, a new era is starting, and the main power will be electric.

It will. Sometime. But not very soon.
Sooner if investments to nuclear/thermonuclear power technologies will be increased.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
27 May 2011  #16
I foresee solar powered electric cars rather than cars with batteries charged at electric stations with electric coming from nuclear/thermonuclear systems. Okay, with solar power, the speed of cars won't be so fast, but, will be enough especially in city traffics. For intercity transportations, trains, airplanes, helicopters, etc will be more dominant. I foresee there won't be intercity roads anymore.
Ironside 47 | 9,550
27 May 2011  #17
I foresee solar powered electric cars r

Don't forget about the Houses of Glass !
NomadatNet 1 | 457
27 May 2011  #18
Yes, possible, but, solar energy won't be so popular for heating houses as solar energy is not continous, not homogeneous everywhere in the world for heating houses. For houses, heat pump systems will be more popular. You know heat pumps can be used for heating as well as cooling and its energy source can be air, soil, sea, etc which are huge potential energy sources even at low temperatures. For example, a -5 celcius air can be used to heat the house to +10, +15 celcius.
Velund 1 | 324
27 May 2011  #19
I foresee solar powered electric cars

Especially useful for Norway or northern Russia. ;)

BTW: Maybe heating at winter in all northern countries also will be solar powered? ;)
NomadatNet 1 | 457
27 May 2011  #20
Solar electric can be obtained directly by solar light, by pv, photovoltaic panels, you know, it doesn't need solar heat like it exists in deserts of Suudi.

Heating the house is another issue. As I said above, heat pumps can be used and by this way, Norway can be heated even by the snow and ice.
Velund 1 | 324
27 May 2011  #21
Solar electric can be obtained directly by solar light, by pv, photovoltaic panels, you know, it doesn't need solar heat like in deserts of Suudi.

I have experience with installation and servicing solar-powered telemetry units in climate of central Russia. So, I'm not enthusiastic at all about PV (except in african deserts).

As I said above, heat pumps can be used and by this way, Norway can be heated even by the snow and ice.

But where you'll get energy to power heat pumps? Even if new developments will make heat pumps reasonably cheap, reliable and not containing either poisonous, ozone depleting or highly flammable/explosive liquids.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
27 May 2011  #22
I have experience with installation and servicing solar-powered telemetry units in climate of central Russia. So, I'm not enthusiastic at all about PV (except in african deserts).

I am not knowledgable much about them PV systems, but, I feel it is under-developed field. With transferring the budget of petrolium researches and technologies which will also reduce military budgets much, I can think of some good developments in photovoltaic systems. New generations will be focusing on such studies like PV systems more. Our era is almost over.

But where you'll get energy to power heat pumps? Even if new developments will make heat pumps reasonably cheap, reliable and not containing either poisonous, ozone depleting or highly flammable/explosive liquids.

Energy to power heat pumps? For example, air itself surrounding the house is the huge energy source. You know energy isn't only dependent to the temperature, but also volume/mass. Source, air for ex, has huge mass and this makes energy in the air even at low temperatures is huge actually. Or, soil, or sea, etc. This is main principle of heat pumps. Sure, there are still some problems such as with the fluids used in heat pumps, but, with more researches, with more budgets to such natural energy sources, heat pumps too will be developed further.
Velund 1 | 324
27 May 2011  #23
Energy to power heat pumps?

YES! Are you surprised?

Even best heat pumps that I know, ones that use sea water (around +2C at winter there) as source of heat energy can provide equivalent of 4 kWh of heat per every 1 kWh spent. And sea water circulate constantly, so you have little risk to get a large blob of super-cold ice around your outside pipes and nearly zero efficiency of your heat pump. The ones who plan to pump heat out of underground water and soil is not so lucky. Cold air as source of heat is even worse than soil - there is plenty of air, but you need constant flow of air to get heat from, you need whole hurricane to extract enough to heat multi-storey building at -30C.

I am not knowledgable much about them PV systems, but, I feel it is under-developed field.

For sure... ;) In germany, companies that have wind generator farms complain that solar energy producers consume 40% of total state subsidies amount producing only 10% of "green" electricity. ;)

But where you'll get energy to produce solar panels? For now, the best solar panels during whole lifetime produce just a bit less energy total, compared to energy that was spent to produce solar panel itself. So, for now solar panels is energy-wasting and pollution-creating devices.

Even if efficiency will be increased tenfold (litle chances), it will be problematic to produce new panels to replace aging ones and to expand generating farms and spend some energy for other industry with photovoltatic generation only.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
27 May 2011  #24
What do you mean? To get 4 kwh by heat pump, 1 kwh is spent? So, 3 kwh is a plus. Are you saying heat pump is useless due to its low efficiency in general or in some circumferences? It is known sure. But, efficiency calculation, in other better words, philosophy behind the efficiency is not so correct. When something is free everywhere, efficiency of it doesn't become important anymore. In the case of petrol, for ex, which is not available everywhere, efficiency becomes important due to its limited amount of petrol.

Another thing, another problem is the energy needed, energy needed to drive the system in the world today which is like a super balloon unnecessarily is of course big, and, a big portion of energy being used today is wasted for unnecessary items such as warplanes, big engine cars, etc etc. Natural energy sources will be enough to drive a natural life. Heat pump, photovoltaics, wind energy technologies, etc etc will be enough to provide a natural life. When such energies are used more often, petrolium will be less important for energy need as petrolium will be used more for items such as plastics, etc. If we are focused on petrolium, gas, etc more, I know those resource owners will be happy as world will be dependent on them, but, then, there will be wars more and more for such energy sources concentrated on some regions. When people stay away from such energy sources like petrol, etc those people who captured such energy sources like oil, gas, etc can find themselves in marsh. Then, those oil, gas, etc lords will try to save themselves out of marsh and will try to share those resources too with the rest of the world and this will make the world a globalized social world..

For sure... ;) In germany, companies that have wind generator farms complain that solar energy producers consume 40% of total state subsidies amount producing only 10% of "green" electricity. ;).

40% of state subsidies consumption for 10% of green electricity?
What do you mean here? You mean money is spent much for little energy?
It is due to the material costs and high material costs are due to unnecessary use/waste everywhere in the world. World is not being drived by knowledgable people, but, by priests, imams, monarchies etc even in technology fields. Then, such illogical things happen even in technologies. Where there is no, for ex, petrol, that little energy by wind is very important and its price must be as gold price, under these non-global asocial world, if you understand what I mean.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,389
27 May 2011  #25
To get 4 kwh by heat pump, 1 kwh is spent?

to get suspended, only 1 more off topic post is required.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
27 May 2011  #26
It does closely resemble the Lamborghini Diablo, right enough. Then again, what could realistically have been expected? Poland's forte has never been cars.
wildrover 98 | 4,452
27 May 2011  #27
It would be great to see Poland produce a car that can compete with the rest of the world , especially Japan , but it won,t happen soon...

The USA and UK struggle to compete , and they have had a great automotive industry a lot longer than Poland....

I would like to see Poland produce a decent non high tech 4 x 4 that would sell well in Eastern Europe , something like the old 110 Landrover....
nic30
27 May 2011  #28
My own view is this is more a statement of intent of what Poland is becoming on several levels.
Certainly to compete with Italian rather than German design. If Poland make cars with engineering standards similar to Audi/BMW/Merc and marry this to Lambo/Ferrari/Alfa passion without the prices of both countries supercars, it should set the stage for mass production of a whole portfolio at least to serve Eastern Europe.
wildrover 98 | 4,452
27 May 2011  #29
What engine does this Polish supercar have in it....?
David_18 68 | 982
27 May 2011  #30
Then again, what could realistically have been expected?

An Leopard Roadster?

Poland's forte has never been cars.

Ever heard of Syrena Sport? One of the best sport cars designed in the 50's.

Or the CWS T-1 Torpedo in the 20's?

Or the PZInż 403 Lux-Sport that would have been produced if i wasnt for the ww2.

What engine does this Polish supercar have in it....?

6.2-liter supercharged V8 engine


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