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Ironside   
17 Aug 2010
Po polsku / Pomnik ku czci bolszewików? [26]

Aby upamiętnić wszystkich wrogów, którzy użyźniają Polska ziemie to miejsca by nie starczyło!
Ironside   
18 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

Previously mentioned Kielce incident, for example, was committed by Poles. Be they Communists, Catholics, Anarchists or Hopsasasa Polka Dancers, it doesn't matter.

Possibly, let assume for a moment that everything you claim to have happened and the way it happened is true.
Still, it would be a deed committed by individuals Poles, not Polish state, nor independent Poland institutions. So, I fail to see the significance of Kielce as a proof of anti-semitsm, its more likely proof that some demoralised elements of society were capable of committing a crime. Well, the same could be said about every country but no country is judged by its criminals.

What if NL was being judged by its SS Division?

Exactly, who would gain to give Poland such a reputation ?Soviets!
Who was really in charge in Poland? (regardless that individuals Poles,were in soviet ranks)
Who is responsible?
Soviets!
Do you see logical chain of thought here?
One, more thing - Poles in soviet ranks were traitors!
You do not seriously expect me to take responsibility for criminals and traitors?Nor for action of government in Poland in 1946 - soviet tool and puppet !

If you want me to, I can give you tips for good material, just ask.

By all means give me tips for good material, I think that I should gain as much knowledge as I can about Kielce incident.

there

There's a crisis in the kitchen
But that don't stop you ***********; - you're a bastard troll!

I-S (well)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

The difference between this and the Kielce pogrom was that the Kielce pogrom took place AFTER WW2.

I fail to see difference during or after, I would think that after the WWII people were more prone to violence.

And if this isn't clear enough as to why the Kielce incident was so important in the image forming of the European about Poles as being anti semite, then I give up. I cannot make it much clearer.

Well, I understand significance of the Kielce incident for forming image of Poles as being anti-semite in the eyes of the western world.
What I question is the validity of such qualification based on one incident in given circumstances you seems to ignore completely and which I stated before in my previous posts above.

One thing newspapers and public opinion something else historians and professionals.

Perhaps; but they were still Poles.

So, what - Poles or not Poles it make no difference in circumstances I have described.

And the question whether or not this incident was used by the Soviets in order to give Poland a bad name abroad, is not really relevant in this respect.

No, the question is whether or not this incident wasn't orchestrated by Soviet GRU or NKVD, such action, provocation, assassination were done before, during and after WWII - there was nobody better than Soviet secret services.

Who gained from Kielce accident? Soviets!

I didn't describe the events as such, I described the perpetrators. And like I said it were Poles that committed them.

It actually reminded me some move or book about case in court where false witness were nailed by defence lawyer and the line was more or less - you were wrong about time, place, many details, the order of invents, about what happened but about one and only one fact you are certain from the beginning that it was accused who did it !

Don't take me wrong, I don't say you are false but did you for a moment thought that your view of the Kielce incident could be not quite ....as it really happened?

I mean you are so sure....Why?

I'm waiting for materials you promised!

I-S (Over hill, over dale,Thorough bush, thorough brier,Over park, over pale,Thorough flood, thorough fire, I do wander everywhere.)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
Po polsku / Pomnik ku czci bolszewików? [26]

Hej panowie ! Jesteście dorośli i jak macie problem to może rozwiążcie go w zaciszu prywatności, takie wyzywanie się na forum nie prowadzi do niczego dobrego.

Jeśli to ma być pomnik to jestem przeciw, bo jak znam Rosjan to zapłaci za to polski podatnik a na dodatek za utrzymanie i konserwacje będzie płacił przez lata, jak im tak zależy to niech ekshumują szczątki i zabiorą do Moskwy, gdzie mogą ich godnie uczcić!

I-S (rzekłem!)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

But you keep on proving that I am right,

How so? First of all it an Internet and he could be anybody, secondly even if he is polish what he says proof nothing, and particularly proof nothing in regard to Kielce event.

Sucky the same idiot is finding a tiniest scratch in a history

Hey if you are Pole, shut your mug idiot and cut off hysteria !

The rest of the world.

Hullo there humble guy:D

I-S(War of the worlds,worlds,so many worlds..)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

but considering the discrimination of Jews,

gee!? don't say !

It also appealed more to peasants and workers than, for example, nobility.

it appealed more to unskilled workers and lumps also to de-classed nobles and intelligentsia!
Honest hard working people were Church going material

The Soviets defeated the Nazis who wanted to kill all the Jews so it would be natural to welcome the Soviets.

They are talking about 1939 when joint Soviet-Nazi forces attacked Poland, Germans started exterminate Jews in 1941! Also some Jews welcomed German forces in 1939 too!

The fact is that pogrom in Kielce was carried out by Poles. There's no doubt about it. I was born and live in Kielce so I know better than any of you LOL

I'm sure that you were present at the time of the invent and knew some who did it!

I-S (Dance my little puppets, dance for me, dance my little puppets and you shall see!)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

First off, I find that a bit hard to believe,

why?

Just why would they do that?

to show to Germans - hey we are not Poles and we have no part in your quarrel with them!

Because they were treated so nicely in Poland?

Because most of them spoke german dialect as their first language (sometimes it was they only language).

all Jews knew what Hitler stood for.

Well, evidently not!

I-S ( still waiting for promised books;just dance away, dance in trance, just dance away the whole damn day)

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quote=Paulina]it's a historic fact, you know?[/quote]
and that differs from the fact - how?

Mother of my university professor was a witness of what happened at that time.

Was she Jewish ?If not I'm afraid that as a witness she would be useless (according to M-G law)

I-S ( well, I don't know enough about it yet, I have some reasonable and sensible doubts about it)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

communist authorities were Polish, not from Mars.

WHO was Polish ?
Most of the government members were some soviets creatures about whom nobody hear before, anyhow any real Pole taking part in soviet apparatus was traitor, so yes the authorities could be from Mars!

Ask why in the pre-war Poland with so many Jews and tension, nothing like that ever happened ?Maybe because in charge were Polish authorities?eh?

Secondly, timing of that event was nicely set to make Poles look like German accomplices in the eyes of the world.
Next, place - why Kielce not other town left in good state ? Where the independent forces were strongest at the time, where national movement were strong as well ? ?

I-S(to remember the fallen is not to remember how they fell but to remember why and for what)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

What do you mean by that? A crowd of ordinary people killed the Jews. The police did almost nothing to stop this. Do you have any evidence to prove it wasn't the case?

Pogrom doesn't mean killing, so yes there were pogroms but mostly against property, and the rest I would classified as political conflict, Jews in Poland had their own party's, and they were fighting as well, Poles were killed too.

In 1918 and 1919 were during the war with soviets and Jews rightly or not were seen as Bolsheviks V column.
70 victims in about 20 years is not big number, I would like to check this data, it may take time as I have real life to attend to :)

What I meant was - there was no intent to kill before and wasn't carried out on such a scale(proven even by unchecked above number).

and this newspaper is called by people with radical right-wing views (those who are anti-semites at least) as "Jewish", "communist", "anti-Polish" and stuff like that ;)

this newspaper is called by people with brains - lying rag!

I-S(The truth cleans your mind,truth refreshes,truth is beauty, beauty is truth.)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

Paulina (just wondering if this version would be acceptable ;))

kiss the ass would be appropriate now...

I-S( well?)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]

Poland is just a sheep culture

Most people being Catholic, Protestant or Atheist don't think just fallow whatever the they feel they should.
Cultural cultural diversity is a killer of society unity.

I-S(living the night life ..)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

Polish officers killed by NKVD,

I don't think the comparison is right, you should know it yourself...
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

et at the same time, they love to claim that "the Jew" allegedly runs the entire media, owns all the banks, owns too much property and too many businesses - none of which seem like even slightly Communistic activities to me ;)

don't be daft ....
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]

You are a blind conformist then?

I'm realist thought!
I know that most people don't have a need or time or ability to make decisions or think for themselves - they just follow !

How is being Orthodox or Protestant a major stray?

oh ! its was just figure of speech :)
Ironside   
19 Aug 2010
History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

Why not?

scale, premeditation, and soviet state apparatus
on the other hand if we assume than some polish elements did it ......there was criminal or deranged element demoralised by war and a few victims.

I don't feel responsible for that at all.
Ironside   
21 Aug 2010
Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]

Religion isn't about killing? Then go and tell that to those Islamists that kill in the name of Allah. Jihad is Holy War and it's a doctrine.

Well, I don't know enough about Isalmists to enter into serious discussion about Jihad:/
However Christian are not about killing!

Anyway, Nergal rejected the badge culture. It's a shortcut to thinking.

Nergal is opportunist at best and Satanist at worst .....
Do not fool yourself Sean, he do not prompt people to thinking, he suck them into his own philosophy, those who are his followers are just that - new badge bearers!

Most people just follow and that is that!
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Nergal philosophises a lot. He is candid in his commentary. I like the fact that he is an independent thinker and isn't afraid to state it as he sees it.

Doesn't mean he is right, and because you agree with him, its doesn't make him right

I-S (Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears!I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.The evil that men do lives after them.)

Take Adolf Hitler, a Catholic.

He was a freak not Catholic, are you Protestant because you were born one?no!
There plenty of those who just stick with a badge but not necessary are of any worth, there good sheep, black sheep and stray sheep:)

Plenty of Orthodox and Catholic killers there

Well, generatively and theoretically Christianity is not about killing but all those tribal cultures made some impact on practical side of things but don't blame religion if anything Orthodoxes and Catholic's do temper bad tendencies.

No, he encourages free thinking. He lets people draw their own conclusions and doesn't thrust it on them.

Most people are incapable of drawing their own conclusions and that is the crux of the matter. They are just suck into new badge bearers circle and they follow, they thing- hey is new and original and so clever (I'm so original and clever)- but in fact there are specific kind of sheep - suckers :)

I-S (sing for me my little bird, sing for me and you'll be free...for a while)
Ironside   
21 Aug 2010
Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]

Then your culture is prime pickings for brainwashing. Until you accept that priests were not supposed to be God's intermediaries, this will continue by ruthless profiteers playing on peoples' sensibilities.

Priest are too latent for my testes and the church is too timid.
There were always the case and those profiteers were and are not only in church or not primarily in the church.

So religion has failed abysmally then? Jesus died for us all and expiated our sins yet we still behave like barbarians 2000 years on? Wow, that's reassuring ;)

Well, imagine people without religions and its tempering and civilizing influence:)were would we be? You are taking too many things for granted - due to religion influence, on the other hand you blame all failings on religion.

Ah! Protestants cannot be an example because if anybody they make a war with -God is on our side- a rule, anyway against they Christian breather !

95%

well, I don't care much about statistics :) most people .....and so on!
Ironside   
22 Aug 2010
Life / What's the story with Nergal? (Singer from Behemoth) [40]

It is just because people are the way they are that religion doesn't work on the majority.

People are the way they are because of deep cultural imprint which even religion wasn't able to change but only modify.
Interesting to consider pastoral versus agricultural - old world versus new:)
Ironside   
22 Aug 2010
Life / Polish authors, books & literature. [95]

Jan Kochanowski
(1530 – 22 August 1584) was a Polish Renaissance poet who established poetic patterns that would become integral to Polish literary language.

He is commonly regarded as the greatest Polish poet as well as the greatest Slavic poet prior to the 19th century

I-S ( He is good)

Paweł Jasienica
was the pen-name of Leon Lech Beynar (10 November 1909 – 19 August 1970), a Polish non-academic historian, journalist, writer and soldier.
He was born in Simbirsk, Russia, to Polish parents, Mikołaj Beynar and Helena Maliszewska. His father worked as a Russian official. Beynar's family lived in Russia and Ukraine until the Russian Revolution of 1917, after which the family returned to Poland in 1920. He graduated in history from Stefan Batory University in Wilno.

Beynar was a soldier in the Polish army during World War II and fought against the German Wehrmacht during the invasion of Poland in September 1939. After the defeat of Poland, he joined the Polish underground Armia Krajowa (AK, or Home Army) and continued the fight and was wounded while fighting against Soviet units.

Jasienica would later became famous for his popular historical books about Piast Poland, Jagiellon Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Good stuff!