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Ironside   
9 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

And your posts are very informative, right?

lex.pl/serwis/du/1995/0071.htm

Article 13, 14, 15 and 20.

Minority rights in Lithuania: jamestownfoundation.blogspot.com/2011/09/poland-and-lithuania-scramble-to-mend.html

Rights of minorities in Poland: msw.gov.pl/portal/en/10/57/Fundamental_rights.html

The Polish law vests national minorities with the following fundamental rights: prohibition of any discrimination and ban on any organisations whose program of activities envisages or allows any form of racial and national hatred;
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freedom to preserve and develop their mother tongues;
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freedom to cherish their customs and traditions and to develop their own culture;
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the right to learn their mother tongue and to be instructed in their mother tongue;
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the right to unrestricted religious practice;
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the right to establish their own educational and cultural organisations, or the ones that protect religious identity;
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election privileges granted to election committees of minority organisations.

Minorities in Poland: msw.gov.pl/portal/en/10/56/Characteristics_of_ethnic_and_national_minorities_in_Poland.html

Lithuanians constitute another national minority in Poland. In the 2002 national census a total of 5 639 citizens of Poland proclaimed their nationality as Lithuanian. There are 5 097 members of the Lithuanian minority in Podlaskie Voivodship, 99 in Mazowieckie Voivodship, 83 Warmińsko-Mazurskie Voivodship, 75 in Pomorskie Voivodship, 67 in Zachodnio-Pomorskie Voivodship, and 53 in Dolnośląskie Voivodship. There are homogenous Lituanian communities in the municipalities of Puńsk, Szypliszki, Krasnopol and Sejny (Podlaskie Voivodship).
In the municipality of Puńsk, Lithuanians account for over 80% of the local population and, in effect, they hold the majority of seats in the local government. They are also represented in the council of the Sejny district.

They have a well-organized educational system. In 2003/2004 their mother tongue was taught at all school levels in a total of 19 schools attended by 720 Lithuanian children and teenagers. All teachers of the Lithuanian language have university degrees.

nobody deny them right to study in their own language: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_minority_in_Poland

There are Lithuanian publications (over 80 books have been published, and there are several magazines, of which the largest is "Aušra" (= "Dawn"),[1] co-sponsored by Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs). Lithuanian organizations are involved in organizing cultural life of the minority (with libraries, choirs, theatres, etc.). There are also Lithuanian-language programmes on local Radio Białystok and Telewizja Białystok.[11]

There are Lithuanian-exclusive schools in Puńsk, both on primary and secondary level, schools with Lithuanian-language as a teaching language in Sejny, and schools with Lithuanian as a foreign language in the wider region are common.[

I hope that informative enough and I ask mods for understanding and leniency this time if I overstepped the rules a little !
Ironside   
9 Jan 2012
History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

before all that "discrimination" crap started,

before that you were discriminating and were blissfully unaware that you are doing just that because you are simple, now that you know you should stop that detestable behaviour and comply with civilised rules or quit the EU and openly refuse to honour an agreement with Poland (from 1994).

I wish the Lithuanians were more pro-Polish :/

that would have require general change of their myths and fiction they call history.Hardly possible.
Ironside   
8 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

but that's just theoretical.....we're talking about conspiracy theories, right?

We are taking theoretically ...not need for any other qualifiers
It doesn't make sense for the Polish government to do that, they are not able to think and act that way.
On the other hand the USA government is influenced by lobbying. All that takes is only one strong lobby !
Ironside   
7 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Well, i don't know, maybe

thats sums you up - either you don't know or you are faking your ignorance.
It doesn't stop you from denying everything I post with the amazing cheek and firmness for somebody who - don't know.

Lithuania, Czechoslovakia....

Stop trolling, I hate malicious trolls ! IF you have a point post that , not that excuse of a post.
Ironside   
7 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

ery simple Harry, after 120 odd years of brutal russification they counter-reacted with polonization.

I would say that it was rather practical approach to the point. Those minorities didn't respect territorial integrity of Poland.
Ironside   
7 Jan 2012
Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]

Anybody know how common it is for Poles who are outside Poland to put K+M+B-[year] on their doors?

I have no idea.
Why would that be of any interest to you.
Ironside   
7 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

For all you conspiracy theorists, the only one that I can see as a possibility is that Poland's own government is the force behind Poland's continual denial into the VWP.

suspecting hidden motives of the USA establishment standing on the issue ?and in the same sentence - I can see as a possibility that Poland's own government is the force behind Poland's continual denial into the VWP. Nice fuzz !

Also that implies that Poland's government have ways of influencing the USA. Really fuzz ....
Ironside   
7 Jan 2012
History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

I fail to understand why anyone would live in a foreign country on a permanent basis and not embrace the local culture and language. If you wanna speak polish move to Poland!

If you do not understand something you either ask questions or study it. One thing you not do is posting your opinion based on your ignorance of the issue involved.Provided you are not a troll.

And which history books are not biased?

Can you read?

And anyway, if Poles there are too stupid to learn Lithuanian, they should stop whining and start sending their children to school.

Mods ? I call that flaming !
As for you delph you should move to Lithuanian, they are in a deep need of your services as you can see. Go and preach your PC business and how they should embrace minorities or is that all aimed exclusively at Poles?

He's Australian isn't he? That would explain a lot.

Somehow I doubt that.
Ironside   
6 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

What does my father have to do with you spreading hatred and lies?

What ? its wasn't addressed to you. Nice to see that you wont miss an opportunity to spout your insults one more time.

Don't hide behind "facts".

Strange that you would hate facts so much. Maybe because they are opposite of the fiction you are so found of.

Do you have any real proof of nationalities in those regions. 1931 census doesn't count.

plenty but you will discard them as easily as anything I have posted already!
Come on you do the job now,

Then maybe you should tell us all why EU doesn't step in? Did you read said treaty? I read it all and couldn't find any article that was violated,

No, I said you tell me.

yet Poland violated at least one (poke it's nose in Lithuania's internal matters)

Really? Any prove of above or just more lies?
By the way your state is violating at least an agreement with Poland from 1994.Do what you so the best (being stupid) and Poland will poke you with the boot.
Ironside   
6 Jan 2012
Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]

Apparently you can buy special coloured ones for the purpose.

for animals not exclusively for dogs.

he'd know how quickly this inscription is becoming a thing of the past.

Say in two - three doors in ten.
Ironside   
6 Jan 2012
History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

They have problems with their history books, I understand that all history books are biased in some ways but their books should be called fiction because thats what they are.

Other objections of ethnic Poles include alleged bias in the reclaiming of
property lost in the Soviet era,

In Lithuania property reclaimed 90% of owners (or their progeny )and only 15% Polish owners.
Ironside   
6 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

wtf? what kind of argument is that?

just a question

Walsh' has never been banned per se although it was strongly discouraged in schools for a time.

I was professing discussion the Harry's way.

I know it wasn't banned formally but as you say was discouraged or discriminated against long enough. By the world power while nobody contested the UK territorial integrity.

Poland was freshly reborn country. Surrounded by stronger enemies bend on destroying her with minority claiming ancient Polish land and aiming for independence. I say that certain attitude - you are in Poland, respect the Polish state - was only understandable course of action.

No a big deal really given that in the Soviet Union ethnicities, nations and religions or social group have been eradicated form the face of the Earth..

That in Germany anybody getting in the way of Hitler come to sorry end.
That France and Britain held unto their colonies by the right of the sword and cunning.
Harry is all an ideology in action - no place for a balance or the truth.
Ironside   
6 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Same old song, still full of hate towards lithuanians.

You tell me in what way facts can be full of hate ? I'm all ears here!
Yet another of my questions which will be conveniently ignored by you.

Nothing new, when out of ideas, start insulting others and falsify history.

Do you claim that 60% of Poles on said territories as opposed to about 3% of Lithuanians is untrue? Are you sane ?
Do not discus with me , go and discus with facts !
What a dick!

Yes, that is Ironside's standard practice.

No Harry it is your standard practice. You got this thing about scoring points on the forum - once you start spinning, lying and generally being an ashole there is no discussion with you. So I will point out your lies and than I will ignore you in this thread. Good day. By the way was your father around much when you were growing up?

You mean recognising the government of national unity in Warsaw rather than the self-appointed unelected government in London.

lie number one - government in London was legal government of independent Poland. Contrary to Soviet controlled government in Warsaw.

So even your own sources shows you to be a liar!

Well, Walsh was banned even if for a little while.
Its only presentation of way you spin lies , I have done it the Harry;s way !

Of course they were interested in a land grab: the Polish state had grabbed their land and claimed it to be part of Poland!

There go your claim that you are not anti-Polish and another lie I'm afraid.

I wonder, if stated facts are true, then why didn't EU step in?

that for me to know and for you to find out. It is easy to be some kind arbiter here and judge all my quotes and links, time for you to do some homework.

You find out why the EU did;t step in, and while you are on it find out about Lithuanian-Polish agreement from 1994 ( which Lithuania as usual do not respect),
Ironside   
6 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Actually it is

Consequently it is Britain's fault for dropping the Polish Government in Exile like hot potato and securing the promise of the democratic election in Poland.

I can secure the promise from my friend if you pay him 10 000 $ he will pay you 20 000 in three month time. However, if he will not pay do not blame me I secured the promiseand you can only blame yourself for not getting promised monies.

Please provide sources which state that Welsh was banned in the UK during the interbellum period. Actually, please provide sources which state that Welsh was ever banned in the UK: I'm willing to bet that this is just yet another of your anti-British lies.

Just that you remember about that a next time when you will enrage in your anti-Polish spinning diatribes.
Here:
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-13080586
bbc.co.uk/wales/history/sites/themes/society/language_tudors.shtml

You certainly could, but it would mean that you support the limiting of high schools which use Polish in favour of high schools where only English, the language of the EU, is used; that would certainly help the students' chances of getting a job.

The EU is not a single country as yet.

Really? So the United Kingdom is to you a failed state? South Africa does not exist? Belgium has a single ethnic group? So does Canada? And so does India? Multi-ethnic group states are very common and they usually work, provided that the most powerful group does not impose its will on the minority groups. Guess what mistake interbellum Poland made?

It is not that simple as you make it sounds. There is one language (or two)as the language used for administration and teaching purposes. Except for Switzerland.

Poland couldn't be arsed because language minorities in question weren't interested in common country but in a land grab.

Perhaps you would like to list all those rights? I doubt it.

You can read Polish right ?
there you go:
kurierwilenski.lt/porownanie-sytuacji-polakow-na-litwie-i-litwinow-w-polsce
Ironside   
6 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

Duh. doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

you are dumbo thats obvious.

Too many don't return like they should, they are harming themselves

Sure, as if only Poles would not return, sure blame Poles - you are such a *******!

They don't learn the language when they get here and lie their way to stay.. Geez

What it has to do with anything ? you are an embittered sad fool and you doing disservice to all decent people anywhere by posting here.

Can you find a more polite way to phrase your comments, thank you.
Ironside   
6 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Ah Britain secures the promise ? that's funny !
Poland recognized right to existence of said Ukrainian Republic, is not the fault of Poland that Ukraine took 72 to carry those out.

You mean like the write to use all Lithuanian names? Oh, sorry, I forgot that Poland doesn't give that right.

no like all the other right Lithuanian minority in Poland have and Polish minority in Lithuanian do not have !

RPIII, is doing much better than RPII did when it comes to not breaking treaties/agreements, as anybody can see (anybody other than an idiot of course).

How does is matter to the topic ?gee ...

Real solution and bag of wishes !
Nobody would cherish a minority whose a main aim is to declare an independence (regardless circumstance )and grab as many land of the host as possible.

Frostbite assimilation my ass. Using nomenclature and standards of nowadays you are right for some few states, mostly the EU. And even there, there are countries like Lithuania whose educational policy can be call a first step to forcible assimilation, yet you take her side against Poland,

Switzerland is the only state it works,
Internal policy of prewar Poland have no bearings on her fate.

The suppression of mother tongues in interbellum Poland is very much on topic for this thread. Although I can well understand why you tell people not to discuss it.

According to times and mentality there wasn't nothing wrong with that, what about right of Poles in Lithuania ?I can argue that limiting high schools with the Ukrainian Language was to integrate them with the state they lived in, and to improve their chances for getting a job !

By the way in the territories with considerable concentration of minority there were signs in two languages.
And non language was banned, unlike For example Welsh in the uk at the time.The Polish language was the language of administration and rightly so !

So stop that Bull !

what a nice state of denial you are placing yourself in. Is it because you are not able to face the truth? Strange indeed.

If you talking unities - I think that was a mistake, those five million unites considering themselves Ukrainians would be otherwise Catholics and Poles.

The Parliament was against that, the issue was forced by some clergy, the Vatican and the King( Swedish ass-hole without understating of the country )
In Poland at the time there was no administration to force anything on anybody. Massive fail !So what ?
The only reason to discus that are some morons with the dirt under their nails and with their scruffy appearance trying to play the blame games - why don't you **** off on the palm tree !
Ironside   
5 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

I looked in to that division and was composed of people from various eastern region you call Kresy. However before Suwalki treaty it suffered heavy casualties and many replacements came from Poland. So it was Lithuanian-Belarusian only on paper. Interesting fact, that some who where from Vilnius district and found out that they were going against Lithuania, they deserted. Any other information is scarce and misleading.

there basic informations :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Lithuanian%E2%80%93Belarusian_Division

No one is stopping. They already have them.

don't you be smartie here, they do not have the same rights.

Maybe if you stopped your smear campaigns,

since when the truth is a smear campaign ?
The point here is that Lithuania after WWI wanted those territories where Lithuanian ethnicity was almost non existent.
Your history books and you are taking nonsense and rubbish and you think that you making some points here ?
We can discus side issues but crux of the matter is that Lithuanians wanted to impose themselves by force on the local population.Majority of said population were Polish.
Ironside   
5 Jan 2012
News / How Polish diaspora see future of Poland? as ethnic Polish state or just Polish in origin? [120]

Tell me, which of my two points of my simple statement reflected your second point??

Harry in general is a troubled soul, full of vinegar and contradictions.
He is opting for Poland open to all immigrants from all over the world. On the other hand he is scolding pre-war Poland for being multi-ethnic country.

Schizophrenia typical for those PC types with a cause. Not reason.
Ironside   
5 Jan 2012
News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

Poland is a Significant exception in the VWP. Hardly news here.
The point is that all excuses given for that just do not add up. Blaming Poles for the restriction - priceless !
What about circumstances that let illegals in the USA to thrive unmolested?
Ironside   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

From what i found it had mostly poles.

the key is a place of birth.

Did Lithuania sign military alliance with Soviet Russia and attacked Poland? Following your logic, then Poland got what it deserved at the begining of w

I don't know what you are following but definitely it is not logic. Lithuania was cooperating with Soviets its worse than formal alliance its sneaky.

You can say what you want, but Poland is
far from perfect in granting rights for minorities.

What is stopping Lithuania from granting to Poles the same rights Lithuanian have in Poland already?

Of course, how could Poland be wrong

What are you doing here ? In this thread ? I give you facts, arguments, logic and issues and all feedback I get is all same old.

Discussion with you is pointless, you are proving that talk with Lithuania is pointless as well. Do what you have to do and Poles will do the same.
Ironside   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

What the treaty said is a matter of historical fact, although those are inconvenient facts for you, so no wonder you try to claim that they are not facts.

I already said that that is your interpretation, according to your logic Britain after the war should have attack the Soviet Union to provide Poland with democratic and independent Poland.

As for minority in Poland there is nothing inconvenient about that, nor about census. As for that census being fixed is only an interpretation I disagree with.

Locals, right... it was polish division renamed to be "locals", that was used to back stab Lithuania.

Really ? Do you have anything to prove your claim, I mean the list of soldiers from said division and their place of birth. That would be easy to verify.

Back stab Lithuania ? Lithuania was in concert with the Red Army which Poland was fighting. You deserved whatever was coming, you choose the side !
Do you think that Lithuania would survive long without independent Poland and with Soviets in her place?
Poland could have wiped out that state of yours in no time.
Frankly nobody in Poland care any-more about Lithuanian.No more special treatment. The only fool who was doing that was Kaczynski.

Because you are repeating the same what Russia's and Poland's foreign ministries say, while EU finds no problems.

What Russia has to do with this ?
Lithuanian minority in Poland has certain rights granted to them by Poland. On the other hand Polish minority in Lithuania doesn't enjoy the same right.

What the EU has to do with that ? Do you have to be told or ordered to do the right thing?

Breaking promises seems to have been a speciality of the II RP.

Nope that was and is a speciality of the western powers.

Lucky that its replacement is doing a lot better.

Are you for real Harry ? You must be an idiot then, if not explain to me what do you mean?
Ironside   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Are you really that naive or just pretending? Military occupation using armed forces is "self-determination"?

Żeligowski,Piłsudski had the same right as any given resident of the former GDL to his loyalties and choices, you cannot deny him being ingenious Lithuanian as understood before the XX impostors.

Most of the division had been locals as well, they have been supported by uncontested majority of population there.
If you have a problem with comprehension of those simple facts then something must be wrong with your logic or ability to reason.
Occupation is a political term of politicians who claimed Wilno as their own but lost- it is unacceptable now.
I suppose that Lithuanian forces in Wino wouldn't have been - an occupation, right ?

LOL

lol on your own ignorance are you ?

It seems you are brainwashed.

Why ?because I do not agree with you ?

And the very simple fact is that Poland recognised the existence of that state and promised certain things to it. And that the USSR then offered Poland some 60 million roubles, as well as a fair chunk of land, and Poland then broke its promises.

The fact is that there was not such a state and never were. In fact there was only Petlura and couple of thousand of his soldiers. Poland provided such a assistance as they could, without popular support for Petlura in Ukraine there was nothing that could have been done.

As for the rest it is your interpretation and you should prove that properly not spreading it on thick on the internet forum.
Ironside   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

harsh conditions of polish occupation

Well for once if you would stop fooling yourself as to:
- Polish occupation - it was self-determination done by the majority of said territory !
- as to allegedly harsh conditions - those conditions were most liberal in this part of Europe if not the world.

You must see that such a attitude is what is prompting your politicians to peruse that chauvinistic and unbecoming course of action.
The truth is the former GDL were divided into three parts Belorussian, Polish and what is called now Lithuanian.
All parts have been equally entitled to inheritance left by the former GDL !
Lithuanian part was weak, Belorussian very weak and Polish could count on support of the former Crown!
I personally wouldn't have anything against Wilno being a part of nowadays Lithuania if not for your government acting against Poles and their rights and treating Poland as an enemy.It has to stop!

The first step would be cleaning the Lithuanian history books from chauvinistic and politically motivated rubbish such as you have portended here.
See the truth instead of myths !
Then and only then we can build on mutual respect and that includes mutual respect of rights and borders.
Regarding census - even if the census is biased( which I doubt) it still doesn't change the fact that Wilno and area have been prodemintly Polish before the war.

Now, would you cease all territories with Polish majority to Poland? If not how would you explain your keen interest and indeed interest of your country before the war in obtaining area where Lithuanian population have been scarce at best.

Double standards ?

Ukrayins'ka Narodnia Respublika.

No such a country existed Harry. Aspirations are not counting. I think that your knowledge of history is failing you here.
Poland formed alliance with and military supported an atempt by Petlura to build the independent Ukrainian state.
Without support of the local population for such a state what would you expect Poland to do - fight for the Ukrainian state without Ukrainians support ? Why would excuse Britain than for not fighting Soviets alone, at least the have Polish army and population would support them?

Sold for money ? That money was retribution for lost property and war damages.
I see that you are reverting to your squabbling again ?

I must conclude that the only aim of your historical studies is to be used as a tool in moulding Poles into the shape of your PC views and beliefs.
Can you deny it?

Answer above !

No, the country which Poland had agreed would exist.

Don't be ridiculous, facts are facts and wishes are just wishes !
If you revert to your usual squabble I will ignore you.
Ironside   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

No, the number of Belarussians in Poland was known before 1931 and strangely it happened to officially go down and down and down during the life of the RPII, down from 3,000,000 (unofficial) in 1918 to 989,900 in 1931 (officially).

Why strangely?I find that only natural provided that many so called Belorussians declared for Poland.

You expect him to have spoken out against the orders of the regime while the regime was still in power? Most probably would have got him a ticket to Poland's pre-WWII concentration camp.

That is quite a nonsense, nobody would be sent to prison for speaking the truth. You do not see the difference between Polish government and Soviet government in Poland.

The fact is that he was working for said

regime

and was happy with it. I think that you fail to understand to what extent Soviet Poland have been ruled by lies and deception.
He as an prominent person of per-war establishment to get a job at uni with soviets in charge he must have go to the extreme in criticism of the previous regime .

By that logic either Germany or Russia could today invade Poland and justify their annexation of the country on the basis that Germans/Russians are in the majority in the newly formed country.

What country Poland invaded and what country the minority in the two provinces in question could have joined ?

Ever heard of something called 'self-determination'?

Self-determination of what ? Two provinces ? How long would they would have survived bordering the Soviet Union ? Economical they would strugle, those provinces were the poorest region of Poland (mostly agriculture).

Ukrainians had no sufficient resources and educated people to run anything more than a county.

You are basically saying that you don't know what Poland should have done.
I must conclude that the only aim of your historical studies is to be used as a tool in moulding Poles into the shape of your PC views and beliefs.

Can you deny it?
Ironside   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

You use 1931 census, which didn't use nationality question, but instead "mother tongue".

Even if what you claim is true that the language spoken at home has no bearings on once nationality than still doesn't mean that Wilno and surrendering areas wasn't populated mainly by Poles.

According to your logic I could claim that many people speaking Ukrainian at home were Polish. Indeed I'm aware of such a case.
Anyway the possibility you mentioned could be true for few cases but majority of people speaking the Polish language were Poles.
Interesting that you as Lithuanian would claim that the language has no bearings on once nationality. I would say that you should communicate that to your Lithuanian compatriots as their views are quite contrary.

Desperate ? Do you think that Poles are planing on getting Wilno back - nothing can be further from the truth but actions and acts of your government against Poles who are living there may and will persuade them otherwise. I think that your politicians and elite are idiots.

I wonder why you didn't link to the a

Because that was post-factual interpretation of events. If not for the WWII they could as well declare to be Polish.

It is mentioned in the article which Ironside takes the chart from but mysteriously does not link to.

Because he said all that AFTER the WWII in Soviet Poland ruled by the Kremlin, he got himself a job on Uni. I deem that claim of his - worthless and void. Anybody with any knowledge of the Polish history would agree with me.

Yes, clearly Poland should have included huge areas where Poles made up an average of 18% of the population.

The point is that Poles were majority in the country.Would you advice Lithuania to give up to Poland those areas were Poles are majority?

Would you kindly advice what Poland should do with the territories that used to be a part of Poland for centuries.
Ironside   
3 Jan 2012
News / Amnesty to Illegal immigrants in Poland [102]

In Poland, where a lack of "matura" almost certainly kills off any chances of ever getting employed -

As if nowadays that slip of paper would be any help in getting employed. Practical skills or vocational education is more certain way of being employed or better still being self-employed.

We don't actually need more badly educated children who don't leave their village.

Who is we?
If you talking about government and such - I most certainly would agree that Poland doesn't needs those badly educated crooks with no integrity and little skill in the position in which they can harm the country.

No wonder they are desperate to reaming in power as they would have no hope of employment with their limited working experience. Although they would do well in the world oldest trade.

think it's safe to say that the vast majority of Poles I know would quite happily criticise such "pathological" families.

I think that your circle of friends is very misleading as to your understanding of Poles. They have indeed mastered dislike of rabble but without ingrained sense of responsibility and concern for such a rabble's well being and elevation.

I think that that selectivity comes from the fact that such people are indeed rabble and peasants themselves although education and money give them resemblance of class and respectability.

I blame soviet occupation the system created countless selectively educated operators.Their present and their influence as well as their offspring are the unfortunate feature of Poland's s landscape.
Ironside   
3 Jan 2012
History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

What of it ? Honest question.
I don't regard that as a big deal provided that ethnicity in question never formed a state. As to local allegiance that doesn't exclude them being Polish,or becoming Polish given chance, right?
Ironside   
2 Jan 2012
News / Amnesty to Illegal immigrants in Poland [102]

Yes, precisely you assume all that just because they have nine children. You are prejudiced. They could be doing very well for all we know. Yet you assume they are paupers based on the number of children they have.