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How Polish diaspora see future of Poland? as ethnic Polish state or just Polish in origin?


Crow 142 | 6,922    
24 Feb 2011  #1
i would like to know, how Polish diaspora see future of Poland,...as ethnic Polish state or state that is Polish just in its origin?

forgive my curiosity but, will you answer please

/if you ask who is asking then let me tell you, i am one curious Serbian/
Semsem 17 | 26    
6 Mar 2011  #2
Poland is Poland. The homeland of the Poles. The land that gave us kielbasa and pączki. The origin of our Catholicism. The father of the greatest Pope.

No self-respecting Pole (even a Plastic Pole) would ever think of Poland as being "Polish in origin", as that would give the idea that Poland is no longer an ethnically Polish country.

Although the birth rate of European nations is declining, Poland still (I believe) has a birthrate higher than that of the death rate, and so long as that continues and the Polish tongue is kept, it will always be viewed as an ethnically Polish state.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,666    
6 Mar 2011  #3
state that is Polish just in its origin

This is how it will be all over the world, Crow. It won't be ethnicity, it will be language that determines a nation.
rychlik 41 | 374    
6 Mar 2011  #4
Poland will be fine for the next 100 years. It's the western Europeans that have to watch out. Too many non-Europeans there.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,341    
6 Mar 2011  #5
Define non-European?

I can assure you that people like John Goodson are far more Polish than you'll ever be.
Polisham - | 2    
6 Mar 2011  #6
He most likely means people from the Middle East. That would be my guess.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,341    
6 Mar 2011  #7
More than likely.

Given his use of racial slurs towards non-Europeans, I suggest that he stays well away from Poland.
Polisham - | 2    
6 Mar 2011  #8
Whatever he likes to do on here, or in his free time does not really matter. The truth is, its not a lie. Western Europe does have a large and increasing population of Islamic/Middle Eastern peoples.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,341    
6 Mar 2011  #9
Indeed, and these people are paying the pensions of Europe's retired.

Poland in particular has a huge time bomb in ZUS waiting to go off. Personally - if they come and integrate, I've got no problem with them.
David_18 69 | 987    
6 Mar 2011  #10
HAHA what about you then? have you integrated yet? ;)
ShAlEyNsTfOh 4 | 162    
5 May 2011  #11
Personally - if they come and integrate, I've got no problem with them.

you've got to be kidding me. they will NEVER assimilate with polish people and culture. simply look at those in UK or canada.
enkidu 7 | 625    
5 May 2011  #12
i would like to know, how Polish diaspora see future of Poland,...as ethnic Polish state or state that is Polish just in its origin?

forgive my curiosity but, will you answer please

"Polish" is not an ethnicity. It's a way of life and a matter of choice.
Everyone can become "real Polish" in Poland.
Koala 1 | 332    
5 May 2011  #13
Yeah, as long as you can speak Polish and consider yourself Polish, you are Polish. Descendance is secondary in that regard.
Piotr123 1 | 49    
5 May 2011  #14
I think Poland needs to become more multicultural and the first step is to open up the borders for unhindered immigration, secondly building minarets and implementing sharia laws, and lastly changing out the ethnic Poles with Africans and Middle Easterners.

The most exciting thing is that it is not the immigrants that change, instead the host country changes into the country which the immigrants came from. Some bigots might object to this, however I'm sure they come to sense eventually and embrace this great new future.

Import a lot of Somalis? Welcome to Warsawdishu! Import a lot of Iraqis? Welcome to Warsawabad! How about some Liberians? A great welcome to Warsawrovia! Woman, please do not forget to bring your hijab. I am sure though that Poland will be a better country for it.

Sweden used to be a very boring place a few years ago, but now we have exciting things such as schools and cars being torched and the second highest numbers of rapes in the world. Still, I kind of miss going out in the evening because of the gangs robbing and killing people.

None of you have to be worried about missing any of this though! Many Turks have lived in Germany since the 50's and do not speak a word of German. The United Kingdom already look like Islamabad in some parts.
JonnyM 12 | 2,629    
5 May 2011  #15
Yeah, as long as you can speak Polish and consider yourself Polish, you are Polish. Ancestry is secondary in that regard.

Exactly.
enkidu 7 | 625    
5 May 2011  #16
Poland had been a multi-culti country for ages before this word was even invented.
As a Polish I have got no problem at all with the peoples from other countries that want to live in Poland. I think they all would be welcomed and accepted as long as they would be honest and hard-working people.

But there is a significant difference between Polish-style tolerance and the Western one.

Polish tolerance is based on the sense of a privacy. We are not interested in the way and details of other's people life. It's a "Live and let live" attitude. But there is a "thin red line". Western tolerance is based on the fear.

Let's say that some theoretical "Muslim Council of Warsaw" would be offended by the Christmas lights and decorations. And let's say that they would demand to remove these lights and a formal apology.

In the West (let's say - in the United Kingdom) the response would be like "OK. We remove these lights and crosses for the sake of harmony and peace. We don't care much about it. We wish you all the best and welcome in our country!".

In Poland that would be a big "Phuck off! This is Poland, ya know? Like it or leave it - it's your choice" And then some insults. And then some more insults. And then quick deportation.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,296    
5 May 2011  #17
quick deportation.

Poland has had Muslim citizens for hundreds of years. If Polish Tartars were the ones complaining where would you deport them to?
z_darius 14 | 3,973    
5 May 2011  #18
I think you missed the point, so I'm highlighting them:

Let's say that some theoretical "Muslim Council of Warsaw" would be offended by the Christmas lights and decorations. And let's say that they would demand to remove these lightsand a formal apology.

Polish Tatars do not fall into the described category.
enkidu 7 | 625    
5 May 2011  #19
Poland has had Muslim citizens for hundreds of years. If Polish Tartars were the ones complaining where would you deport them to?

I know about them and I am proud of their faithful service to Kingdom of Poland. They are Poles as I am. They are OUR muslims and whoever say anything bad about them - is not real Polish in my eyes.

On the other hand - if they would try to enforce their beliefs over ours - there shall be no mercy for them. They would be ridiculed in every possible way.

And that is (if I may say) a true tolerance in Polish-style. They are living in the overall Catholic country for over 500 years and they are safe.

We did not change for their comfort and they did not change for ours. But we are all Polish.

Strange, isn't it?
Des Essientes 7 | 1,296    
5 May 2011  #20
Strange, isn't it?

I live in the USA multiculturalism isn't strange to me.
pgtx 30 | 3,168    
5 May 2011  #21
if they would try to enforce their beliefs over ours

that's a paranoid feeling, every "Christian" is afraid of after the crusades... don't be silly :)
Ironside 46 | 8,867    
5 May 2011  #22
Polish tolerance is based on the sense of a privacy. We are not interested in the way and details of other's people life. It's a "Live and let live" attitude. But there is a "thin red line". Western tolerance is based on the fear.

Polish tolerance is based on respect, I respect your values and in return I expect you to respect mine values - my customs and privacy.

It maybe a little different when you are Polish and in smaller community, there is always so called neighbourhood opinions and expectations, but even so, in Poland you can enjoy hefty amount of freedom.

Western tolerance is based on the fear.

Western tolerance is based on theory and enforcement of the law.
Law says what is tolerance and what is not and that is that - no matter that sometimes it is nonsense.
I would say that western tolerance is artificial and Poland's natural.
alexw68    
5 May 2011  #23
We are not interested in the way and details of other's people life.

Would you kindly inform my neighbours of this? :)
Chicago Pollock 7 | 506    
6 May 2011  #24
Western tolerance is based on theory and enforcement of the law.

No, it's based on you don't know who has a gun. That's the beauty of the Second Amendment, "treat people with respect or you might get shot."
Havok 10 | 912    
6 May 2011  #25
Damn right lol
GrzegorzK    
6 May 2011  #26
Catholicism and Islam will never match. Are Polish people forgetting that our ancestors killed their ancestors 500 years ago? when they tried invading Europe much like they are now, and imposing their way of life.
ShAlEyNsTfOh 4 | 162    
6 May 2011  #27
Lets just pray that history will repeat itself.
Ironside 46 | 8,867    
7 May 2011  #28
No, it's based on you don't know who has a gun. That's the beauty of the Second Amendment, "treat people with respect or you might get shot."

Well, I wasn't talking about Wild West!
Dande - | 5    
7 May 2011  #29
GrzegorzK:

Are Polish people forgetting that our ancestors killed their ancestors 500 years ago? when they tried invading Europe much like they are now, and imposing their way of life.

Well you can take the UK or US approach and just let them impose their way of life through political correctness. Let them adhere to shariah law instead of the Constitution in America. Encourage them to migrate freely into your country, then violently protest Osama's death in the UK. The biggest threat to people in the UK are from Muslims born in the UK, not Pakistan or other places.

I don't know the Polish people. (If I am wrong on my Polish history in this next part please forgive me, If you know of any books in English that would help explain Polish history please let me know) I know that for a long time, Poland was not on a map. The Polish superpower was destroyed for doing something so simple like giving rights to its people. If Poland wants to adopt Communism or Socialism today, then I don't care what happens to it. It deserves what it gets. But if Poland fearlessly, like I imagine it once did, adopts policy of giving power to the people of Poland (assuming the majority of them embrace freedom) then the only thing you have to worry about is how popular Poland becomes.

We live in a world where you can be from Pakistan, Iran, Egypt, UK, but all the extremist (or the general population) from these countries want one thing, that other nations convert to Islam. They're not interested in the language you speak or the color of your skin, they are interested in you adhering to their ideas. Poland needs to take a stand on what the people believe.

So ethnic Polish, Polish in origin, I do not know. Poland and the Polish people need to decide on what they believe. You want communism and socialism, then don't waste my time. If you know what makes Poland Poland, then I would love to listen. I would love to learn the history and culture of a people on the other side of the world if they embrace the goodness which is freedom. If not then I could only resent you.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,666    
7 May 2011  #30
i would like to know, how Polish diaspora see future of Poland,...as ethnic Polish state or state that is Polish just in its origin?

A state that is Polish in origin only. It's inevitable.




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