Posts by Ironside

Ironside

10 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Not every pole is lying, only you. Did you look in to my linked material?

Not yet.
You are lying boozy!

Today it is you claiming that I said something which I very clearly have never said,

Come on Harry focus !Today(yesterday) I claimed that you have not said something which you very clearly should have said.

that Welsh was banned in the UK in the 1920s and 1930s.

In the UK schools, are you saying that wasn't banned?Maybe was prohibited unofficially ?

it gives a rather nice assessment about Poland and minority rights:

That assessment is from 2003. Right now Lithuanian minority got all the rights, especially in eduction area paid for by Polish taxpayers.
What about rights of minorities in Lithuania ?

Did you look in to my linked material?

Yes I did.
Most of that land is a part of Belarus now. Very interesting that Vilnia is one of few provinces were percentage were given, in Kovno that do not bother with numbers or percentages - I wonder what kind of source is that, what was it originally - estimation made by St.Petersburg most notorious pish taker?

Good for you at least you got something going for you not just empty claims. The question is what that source is worth.

Ironside

10 Jan 2012

History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

You haven't got a clue what's going on in Lithuania

And you do ! Why don't you illuminate us all?

Ironside

10 Jan 2012

News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

I see more benefit for the Polish government to keep Poland out of the VWP than in it.

What would the Polish government gain ?

What does the USA have to lose by keeping Poland out of the VWP? The 10% that are refused a visa hardly would make any difference financially for the USA regarding tourist revenue and if anything, the US embassy continues to collect application fees from Poles by making them apply for the visa.

Why would the Polish government even consider to ask to keep Poland out of the VWP?

The USA certainly isnt doing its best to prevent them from entering though.
I would think keeping their troops in the US (maybe near the borders) would be better than fighting wars half a world away.

Is not about preventing them from entering. The problem statrts with the internal policy, in short there is no one integrated policy regarding illegal immigrants.

Some jurisdictions aren't prosecuting illegals because they value more they cheap labour than anything else.

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

So you mean that you cannot quote from even a single post in which I say any such thing. And why can you not do that? Because you are very simply lying, yet again.

It means exactly what it means - that you say nothing, given your constant go at Poles it speaks volumes !

And thirdly :
Protocol No. 12 to the European Convention on Human Rights, containing a general prohibition of discrimination, and the acceptance of the collective complaints procedure under the European Social Charter.

Poland did ratified that Protocol l and Lithuania didn't - are you maintaining you anti-Polish attitude faced with that?

In my understanding they have all necessary lows in place but implementing them differ.
gencat.net/llengcat/noves/.../kallonen.pdf

Well, you constantly lying doesn't exactly help, does it?

constantly would you like to repeat that statement in the court of law?
The fact is that I very rarely lie,and on here just to keep you going, you on the other hand have no qualms about lying just to make yourself good on here or make some poster look bad !

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

why.

Because they think only about staying in power and personal gains, not about the country.
More like them would be claiming that including Poland into the VWP is their success.. They would never ask for favour like that form the USA government, ..nothing for them ....

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

So why is the EU doing nothing about it? If it is really happening.

you know how it goes in the EU, you need to have a leverage to have something done, secondly the issue is being investigated,

Really? Do I? Could you perhaps quote from even a single post where I say that?

You are saying nothing and that says a lot.

If it is really happening.

Sure, Poles are lying everybody else is telling the truth - way to go Harry.

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

Prove those 3%, then babble. If you are so all knowing, why aren't you polish PM?

Are you Lithuanian PM?
No you prove your 25/% :DDD
maybe if you include so called "polonised Lithuanian ":D

What does letuwin mean?lituwa

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Mods?

What Harry ? Your case is interesting in itself. You were giving off to Poland for not giving enough rights to minorities before the war.
You implied that it is ridiculous to claim territory with only 18% of Poles in there.
Here comes pictoonis and says that it only right to claim territories with 3% of Lithuanian in there.
Out of the sudden you find that perfectly all right !
There in Lithuanian Poles are minority and their rights as understood by the European standards today are infringed.
Yet you ridicule that claim as well.
The only conclusion is that you are anti-Polish, Harry old chap, no other way to see it.
mods feel free to moderate my previous post if you think is not logical conclusion to pictoonis ramblings and not an insult.

From what i read, lithuanians were at least 25%, poles 30%,

well if they were written by Lithuanian then their attitude and tendency for fantasy and imagination deem only naturally to treat them with suspicion.
I think that that your number is rubbish but even according to your books Poles were majority on said territories - what gives ?

Find sources not Polish and not Lithuanian.

You can't even write my nickname correctly, maybe you should go to school and learn a bit more.

I don't care about your stupid moniker.

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

Watch, he is going to call me names after this post:)

Have you put me on the ignore?
What happened, missing something in your life ? Miranda go back to your closet!

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

I see you are clutching on straw as expected. No point in discussion with you.
Denial and denial and there is some more denial !

On the topic : there were at one time between 1% and 3%Lithuania in the territories claimed by Lithuania.
Give them generously 6% or assume for the sake of discussion that there were 10% of them - still their claim is ridiculous.
And here that dude, pictoonis who says nothing (what he could possibly say ), no argument, no sources but imply that those facts are not correct.

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

He could have left those territories to Lithuania and have a friend instead of enemy. That would have benefited the whole region.

Or Lithuania should accept loss of the territories and being friendly instead of setting herself on grabbing the land that had about 3% of Lithuanian.
That would make even more sense !
Even better you could return Polish territories and you wouldn't have to deal with minorities, something which you evidently cannot handle

And what is the true history? History made by you?

And what your history a bag of shite ?

Maybe you should go out for a bit, talk with people, see that there is world around you, not only propaganda you believe so much. Or maybe you just need a girlfriend... xDD

maybe you should keep you advices for yourself boozy, have you been drinking while typing? Typical letuwin rubbish cheap booze driven !

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

UK, Ireland / Polish English marriage in England- advice please [21]

she want to do marriage with me as soon as possible in England

she lives in poland cause she is studying there

WTF?
Are you for real ?
I think that is a malicious troll.
shoo ..and marry goat.

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

Love / Confused about a Pole in the closet? [17]

Why are you keeping him there ?

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

Everything is possible..
If there is a will there is a way

judging by the example of pictoonis I doubt that, he is cheeky, ignorant, lazy, stubborn and last but least he likes himself this way.

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

And your posts are very informative, right?

lex.pl/serwis/du/1995/0071.htm

Article 13, 14, 15 and 20.

Minority rights in Lithuania: jamestownfoundation.blogspot.com/2011/09/poland-and-lithuania-scramble-to-mend.html

Rights of minorities in Poland: msw.gov.pl/portal/en/10/57/Fundamental_rights.html

The Polish law vests national minorities with the following fundamental rights: prohibition of any discrimination and ban on any organisations whose program of activities envisages or allows any form of racial and national hatred;
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freedom to preserve and develop their mother tongues;
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freedom to cherish their customs and traditions and to develop their own culture;
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the right to learn their mother tongue and to be instructed in their mother tongue;
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the right to unrestricted religious practice;
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the right to establish their own educational and cultural organisations, or the ones that protect religious identity;
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election privileges granted to election committees of minority organisations.

Minorities in Poland: msw.gov.pl/portal/en/10/56/Characteristics_of_ethnic_and_national_minorities_in_Poland.html

Lithuanians constitute another national minority in Poland. In the 2002 national census a total of 5 639 citizens of Poland proclaimed their nationality as Lithuanian. There are 5 097 members of the Lithuanian minority in Podlaskie Voivodship, 99 in Mazowieckie Voivodship, 83 Warmińsko-Mazurskie Voivodship, 75 in Pomorskie Voivodship, 67 in Zachodnio-Pomorskie Voivodship, and 53 in Dolnośląskie Voivodship. There are homogenous Lituanian communities in the municipalities of Puńsk, Szypliszki, Krasnopol and Sejny (Podlaskie Voivodship).
In the municipality of Puńsk, Lithuanians account for over 80% of the local population and, in effect, they hold the majority of seats in the local government. They are also represented in the council of the Sejny district.

They have a well-organized educational system. In 2003/2004 their mother tongue was taught at all school levels in a total of 19 schools attended by 720 Lithuanian children and teenagers. All teachers of the Lithuanian language have university degrees.

nobody deny them right to study in their own language: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_minority_in_Poland

There are Lithuanian publications (over 80 books have been published, and there are several magazines, of which the largest is "Aušra" (= "Dawn"),[1] co-sponsored by Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs). Lithuanian organizations are involved in organizing cultural life of the minority (with libraries, choirs, theatres, etc.). There are also Lithuanian-language programmes on local Radio Białystok and Telewizja Białystok.[11]

There are Lithuanian-exclusive schools in Puńsk, both on primary and secondary level, schools with Lithuanian-language as a teaching language in Sejny, and schools with Lithuanian as a foreign language in the wider region are common.[

I hope that informative enough and I ask mods for understanding and leniency this time if I overstepped the rules a little !

Ironside

9 Jan 2012

History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

before all that "discrimination" crap started,

before that you were discriminating and were blissfully unaware that you are doing just that because you are simple, now that you know you should stop that detestable behaviour and comply with civilised rules or quit the EU and openly refuse to honour an agreement with Poland (from 1994).

I wish the Lithuanians were more pro-Polish :/

that would have require general change of their myths and fiction they call history.Hardly possible.

Ironside

8 Jan 2012

News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

but that's just theoretical.....we're talking about conspiracy theories, right?

We are taking theoretically ...not need for any other qualifiers
It doesn't make sense for the Polish government to do that, they are not able to think and act that way.
On the other hand the USA government is influenced by lobbying. All that takes is only one strong lobby !

Ironside

7 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Well, i don't know, maybe

thats sums you up - either you don't know or you are faking your ignorance.
It doesn't stop you from denying everything I post with the amazing cheek and firmness for somebody who - don't know.

Lithuania, Czechoslovakia....

Stop trolling, I hate malicious trolls ! IF you have a point post that , not that excuse of a post.

Ironside

7 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

ery simple Harry, after 120 odd years of brutal russification they counter-reacted with polonization.

I would say that it was rather practical approach to the point. Those minorities didn't respect territorial integrity of Poland.

Ironside

7 Jan 2012

Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]

Anybody know how common it is for Poles who are outside Poland to put K+M+B-[year] on their doors?

I have no idea.
Why would that be of any interest to you.

Ironside

7 Jan 2012

News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

For all you conspiracy theorists, the only one that I can see as a possibility is that Poland's own government is the force behind Poland's continual denial into the VWP.

suspecting hidden motives of the USA establishment standing on the issue ?and in the same sentence - I can see as a possibility that Poland's own government is the force behind Poland's continual denial into the VWP. Nice fuzz !

Also that implies that Poland's government have ways of influencing the USA. Really fuzz ....

Ironside

7 Jan 2012

History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

I fail to understand why anyone would live in a foreign country on a permanent basis and not embrace the local culture and language. If you wanna speak polish move to Poland!

If you do not understand something you either ask questions or study it. One thing you not do is posting your opinion based on your ignorance of the issue involved.Provided you are not a troll.

And which history books are not biased?

Can you read?

And anyway, if Poles there are too stupid to learn Lithuanian, they should stop whining and start sending their children to school.

Mods ? I call that flaming !
As for you delph you should move to Lithuanian, they are in a deep need of your services as you can see. Go and preach your PC business and how they should embrace minorities or is that all aimed exclusively at Poles?

He's Australian isn't he? That would explain a lot.

Somehow I doubt that.

Ironside

6 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

What does my father have to do with you spreading hatred and lies?

What ? its wasn't addressed to you. Nice to see that you wont miss an opportunity to spout your insults one more time.

Don't hide behind "facts".

Strange that you would hate facts so much. Maybe because they are opposite of the fiction you are so found of.

Do you have any real proof of nationalities in those regions. 1931 census doesn't count.

plenty but you will discard them as easily as anything I have posted already!
Come on you do the job now,

Then maybe you should tell us all why EU doesn't step in? Did you read said treaty? I read it all and couldn't find any article that was violated,

No, I said you tell me.

yet Poland violated at least one (poke it's nose in Lithuania's internal matters)

Really? Any prove of above or just more lies?
By the way your state is violating at least an agreement with Poland from 1994.Do what you so the best (being stupid) and Poland will poke you with the boot.

Ironside

6 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Was the Polish language ever discouraged like this?

Absolutely !

Ironside

6 Jan 2012

Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]

Apparently you can buy special coloured ones for the purpose.

for animals not exclusively for dogs.

he'd know how quickly this inscription is becoming a thing of the past.

Say in two - three doors in ten.

Ironside

6 Jan 2012

History / Lithuanians hate Poles? [156]

They have problems with their history books, I understand that all history books are biased in some ways but their books should be called fiction because thats what they are.

Other objections of ethnic Poles include alleged bias in the reclaiming of
property lost in the Soviet era,

In Lithuania property reclaimed 90% of owners (or their progeny )and only 15% Polish owners.

Ironside

6 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

wtf? what kind of argument is that?

just a question

Walsh' has never been banned per se although it was strongly discouraged in schools for a time.

I was professing discussion the Harry's way.

I know it wasn't banned formally but as you say was discouraged or discriminated against long enough. By the world power while nobody contested the UK territorial integrity.

Poland was freshly reborn country. Surrounded by stronger enemies bend on destroying her with minority claiming ancient Polish land and aiming for independence. I say that certain attitude - you are in Poland, respect the Polish state - was only understandable course of action.

No a big deal really given that in the Soviet Union ethnicities, nations and religions or social group have been eradicated form the face of the Earth..

That in Germany anybody getting in the way of Hitler come to sorry end.
That France and Britain held unto their colonies by the right of the sword and cunning.
Harry is all an ideology in action - no place for a balance or the truth.

Ironside

6 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Same old song, still full of hate towards lithuanians.

You tell me in what way facts can be full of hate ? I'm all ears here!
Yet another of my questions which will be conveniently ignored by you.

Nothing new, when out of ideas, start insulting others and falsify history.

Do you claim that 60% of Poles on said territories as opposed to about 3% of Lithuanians is untrue? Are you sane ?
Do not discus with me , go and discus with facts !
What a dick!

Yes, that is Ironside's standard practice.

No Harry it is your standard practice. You got this thing about scoring points on the forum - once you start spinning, lying and generally being an ashole there is no discussion with you. So I will point out your lies and than I will ignore you in this thread. Good day. By the way was your father around much when you were growing up?

You mean recognising the government of national unity in Warsaw rather than the self-appointed unelected government in London.

lie number one - government in London was legal government of independent Poland. Contrary to Soviet controlled government in Warsaw.

So even your own sources shows you to be a liar!

Well, Walsh was banned even if for a little while.
Its only presentation of way you spin lies , I have done it the Harry;s way !

Of course they were interested in a land grab: the Polish state had grabbed their land and claimed it to be part of Poland!

There go your claim that you are not anti-Polish and another lie I'm afraid.

I wonder, if stated facts are true, then why didn't EU step in?

that for me to know and for you to find out. It is easy to be some kind arbiter here and judge all my quotes and links, time for you to do some homework.

You find out why the EU did;t step in, and while you are on it find out about Lithuanian-Polish agreement from 1994 ( which Lithuania as usual do not respect),

Ironside

6 Jan 2012

History / Mother tongue in Poland - acccording to 1931 census. [174]

Actually it is

Consequently it is Britain's fault for dropping the Polish Government in Exile like hot potato and securing the promise of the democratic election in Poland.

I can secure the promise from my friend if you pay him 10 000 $ he will pay you 20 000 in three month time. However, if he will not pay do not blame me I secured the promiseand you can only blame yourself for not getting promised monies.

Please provide sources which state that Welsh was banned in the UK during the interbellum period. Actually, please provide sources which state that Welsh was ever banned in the UK: I'm willing to bet that this is just yet another of your anti-British lies.

Just that you remember about that a next time when you will enrage in your anti-Polish spinning diatribes.
Here:
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-13080586
bbc.co.uk/wales/history/sites/themes/society/language_tudors.shtml

You certainly could, but it would mean that you support the limiting of high schools which use Polish in favour of high schools where only English, the language of the EU, is used; that would certainly help the students' chances of getting a job.

The EU is not a single country as yet.

Really? So the United Kingdom is to you a failed state? South Africa does not exist? Belgium has a single ethnic group? So does Canada? And so does India? Multi-ethnic group states are very common and they usually work, provided that the most powerful group does not impose its will on the minority groups. Guess what mistake interbellum Poland made?

It is not that simple as you make it sounds. There is one language (or two)as the language used for administration and teaching purposes. Except for Switzerland.

Poland couldn't be arsed because language minorities in question weren't interested in common country but in a land grab.

Perhaps you would like to list all those rights? I doubt it.

You can read Polish right ?
there you go:
kurierwilenski.lt/porownanie-sytuacji-polakow-na-litwie-i-litwinow-w-polsce

Ironside

6 Jan 2012

News / Polish People STILL denied US Entry [96]

Duh. doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

you are dumbo thats obvious.

Too many don't return like they should, they are harming themselves

Sure, as if only Poles would not return, sure blame Poles - you are such a *******!

They don't learn the language when they get here and lie their way to stay.. Geez

What it has to do with anything ? you are an embittered sad fool and you doing disservice to all decent people anywhere by posting here.

Can you find a more polite way to phrase your comments, thank you.