News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]


:))))))))))))) Wow, some words from the movie: "Media presents the Chechens as peaceful and righteous people. But is this true?" The very beginning of the video is a generalizing statement about the whole nation which is wrong to do, because each one of us is different as you might suspect. Next: "A Chechen is sentenced to 2 years for beating his wives and kids" - Haven't we seen a Pole or any other national beating or even killing his wife and kids and being imprisoned? Here are some articles about most famous wife-beater in Poland Krzysztof Bartoszuk, incestuous father, sentenced to 10 years for beating his wife and daughter while having two kids from the latter!

suite101.com/content/polish-fritzl-sentenced-to-10-years-in -jail-a198521

Should all representatives of your nation be called scum just because of this dude or hundred more who might be living still non-caught in Poland?

Next: "58 Chechens caught with different types of weapon: knives, castets, telescopic sticks, guns. The next day all, but 4 were released" - It says about something, doesn't it. People are not released like that from custody if they are accused or suspected in wrong-doing. Next article is just a repetition.

Here is some additional onfo for you and food to think:

poland.pl/news/article,Silesian_arms_gang_arrested,id,417669.htm

mafiatoday.com/other-mafia-orgs/uk-slaves-polish-mafia-boss-arrested/

1st says about Polish gang involved in selling arms. 2nd tells the Polish mafia boss who sold Polish slaves to the UK underground world for 12-hour long labor literally like slaves, living in slums and getting nothing but spit on. Should I consider, based on your way of thinking, that all Poles are scum and be immediately deported from the UK to Poland "as a gesture of good will"?

Love / Sexual appetites of Polki (in the 21st century) [31]

It depends what you put into it ;)

News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]


Well, scum like you should be sent to the North pole where rates of decomposition are slower.


Will they ever?!

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [239]


Poles don't live in Poland, they live in eastern Poland.


My dignity you can take only by blowing me.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [239]


Some Polish said the following (from the other thread, interpreted in my words):
"I am not a Pole anymore, I am a Russian forever". It happened to be a Polish king. There are different people everywhere. And people see the issue differently. Some Ukrainians were on Soviet's sides as the latter initially supported the independance of Ukraine. Otherwise, most of them wouldn't have even took a stick in their hands. Many of these people, who knew nothing of the consequences of the communism and its Russian occupation implication, dreamt of better life. Of course, majority of these people were those who had nothing and the promise to have a piece of something was very appealing. Big farmers or small property owners have never sided with the Soviets. Ukraine in 1924 was declared a republic in a Union of other "free" republics. BS, of course, but who knew? Their aspirations were crushed soon after. Regarding your preferrance of Poland as opposed to the state's independance, it is a ridiculous statement, even not worth commenting.


Well, of course. Ukrainian Cossacks fought with women, L'viv defenders fought with kids and UPA - with both. What else have you learnt in Polish history? If there were kids in L'viv, these "kids" (veterans of the Polish Military Organization + students) attacked Ukrainians as soon as the latter declared Ukrainian independance and L'viv as a capital. If you have "kids" shooting at you with guns, well, what do you so? Surrender to "kids"? ;)


Probably, because you are glorious.


Yes, there is. And millions speak it. And there is English, which despite the fact that it is being spoken by millions worldwide, it still evades your blind-folded mind, unable to learn its basics: to put articles appropriately.


Of course, it doesn't. Every country has a dark part in its history. And nobody said it is the worst or even worse than others. Why do you make stuff up?


You, probably, meant Denikin. If you can't spell the name of the general and put him in "" how can you even claim how many supported him. Any source? Here is some info about Ukrainian "support" of Denikin:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Denikin


Well, one of Ukrainian main forces at that time - Ukrainian Insurgent Revolutionary Army of Nestor Makhno (c. 40,000 soldiers) fought against him. Denikin could gain some support of former tsar administrative clerks who had nice salary and homes or army officers stationed in different parts of Ukraine to prevent unrests. Army lower ranks and regular people had no interest whatsoever to support Russian imperialism, quite the opposite.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestor_Makhno


I do the same about Poland. It is more exciting to discuss historic events when two or more interested sides of the conflict are present. I don't think you would be interested in listening to constant boring and often untrue "Glory, glory, halleluya.." no matter how sweet it makes you feel :)

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [239]


I am and there is no anger as long as Polish side doesn't let itself to sniffle pathetically about how bad or unfair Ukrainians or British were towards Poles during WWII. As soon as I see these runny hypocritic noses, it enrages me, I have to admit.

History / Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious? [239]


Do you know Ukrainian history? Have you ever read any Ukrainian history book on 20th century? I bet you didn't. So how can you say what you said?


So why did you have to burn churches, close libraries and kick students and profs out of universities for the very fact that they were Ukrainians if no one cared? Why millions fought either against Poles, Commies or on their side? Just for fun or to gain independance? If you don't know the very basics of the subject, better learn a bit before making retarded comments.


Poland saved the world and it constantly saves. Not only from communism, from everything bad. Thanks.


What about Yalta? Poland got German lands according to the agreement. Not happy? You wanted Ukrainian lands too? What else? A part of Sweden? Without Britain you would be a part of Soviet Union for the next 70 years. So, have some respect to the ally. On the other hand, Polish are always victorious alone, allies are just worthless addition which do nothing.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


Of course, everyone new. And certainly he needed protection of some force since Hungarians were waiting at the border just waiting to get "Fass!" order. And this is exactly what happened a few days later when the Hungarians entered the Carpatho-Ukraine.

Poles executed Ukrainian soldiers fighting in the Carpatho-Ukraine. Pathetic Slavic bastards.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpatho-Ukraine

Augustin Voloshyn perfectly knew that the left-overs of Czechoslovakian troops won't be able to hold long against the Hungarians. I am surprised this fact bothers you. It is called diplomacy, not hot-headed suicidal mission.


Was Augustin Voloshyn a legally elected head of the mentioned autonomy within the Czechoslovakia or not? Yes, he was. And Czech army was protecting him when the Hungarians under conscent of Nazis occupied the given territory. Otherwise, he would have been arrested.


You avoid this and I see why. This is the second time I am posting it for you.


How was it possible if 170 years earleir Uniates as a word haven't existed? If you have read on Cossacks uprising, which "surprisingly" started around the time of Brest Union of 1596, then the picture will become more clear as to why there was such huge unnatural discrepancy in believers.


No, but minimum 210 were destroyed, buurnt, taken apart and material sold to Poles to build homes on Ukrainian farmer's lands. I don't see where I divagate. I am again interested why these two were left untouched in the middle of your country while Polish government destroyed hundreds of Ukrainian churches in Volyn'?


So what tool was it exactly? What was going on in Carpatho-Ukraine during the leadership of Augustin Voloshin?



And here is to your lies as to the one-party system:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenians_and_Ukrainians_in_Czechoslovakia_(1918-1938)

As one can clearly see there were multiple parties, not ONE as you falsely claim, but at the very least 5 parties with different political agenda. So your lies is completely out of place.

Regarding Dumen internement camp:


Yes, I have read this book:
books.google.pl/books/about/Encyclopedia_of_Rusyn_History_and_Cultur.html?id=waAUAQAAIAAJ&hl=en


Well, I wouldn't agree with O. Subtelny completely as elite was not lost, but diminished. The elite that left and constantly fed by Ukrainian peasants kept Ukrainian culture alive through the centuries until 18th century were it went through the Renaissance. I agree though that Catholicism was attractive, but not as religion, but as a source of multiple interesting discoveries and literature written exclusively in Latin. This was something that attracted nobles. The heritage of Roman empire and works by Catholic scholars of Middle Ages were something to be drawn to, no doubt. Polish culture as such and mentioned after the dash only signifies that, since the major flow of the Western culture went through Poland, it might seem as a clash of two cultures. But in fact it wasn't a clash between Polish and Ukrainian cultures, but between the one of Catholicism, undergoing Renaissance at that time (Da Vinci, Michelangello, Rafaello, St. Peter's Basilica, Newton,...) and the Eastern Orthodox (deteriorating after the fall of Constantinopole in 1453 and its main Orthodox center).


Ukraine is not specifically interested in Peremyshel and Holm regions to make a move. But if you insist, well, someday your wish might be granted ;)

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


Of course, I would. What kind of question is that? Would you disagree with the proposition that if Germany and Ukraine had common borders, Poles would have had higher standards of living than those who live in Poland now or better to say those that emigrated for better jobs and put tiles in the different toilets throughout the Europe or rip their ar*ses on roofs earning daily bread? I worked with tens of Poles like that, side by side, and I know what was life like for them. Are those Poles or millions throughout the world living "high standards" of life? Of course, not. So, why don't they come back home and dissolve Polish borders and give Germany the land since Germans will definitely raise Polish standards to the level you won't need to put tiles in the WC in some foreign country in order to provide decent living for your family.


I don't think that I am diverting from the question although before posing a question like that I usually answer the same question directed to myself if asked by you. You definitely haven't done that. Now, having questions which you should have asked yourself before asking me, try to answer them and come back to me with the original questions if you would still be interested in posing them :)


Does Polish minority in Germany have higher standards of living than Poles in Poland? Do Polish minority in Germany emigrate to the USA to put tiles in the washrooms like millions of Poles from Poland do?


It is a chain and people always move where the prices are better. Poles move to the UK and Spain, Ukrainians - to Poland, Czech republic, Portugal; some other people to Ukraine; some other people to the countries which people left for Ukraine, which people left for Poland, which people left for the UK. If people find better to live in some other country, then there is an embassy of that country and one can apply for visa and go there, become a citizen, create a family and live there. If someone wants to live in his own country instead of going through the sh*t every immigrant in this freaking world goes through, then that person doesn't go to the foreign embassy. Simple as that. If you are so interested in raising your life standards and live in a country which tolerates people's sexuality and doesn't have Radio Mariya religious fanatics from the Middle Ages, then I would recommend becoming a part of Holland, great country with one of the highest life standards and long history of tolerance, as compared to Poland. Wouldn't you agree?


Absolutely. Poland should make a vote on that one tomorrow.


I would like to hear them. Also, if you would be kind to answer mine along the way as they are in line with your original questions.


Haha, you are more pathetic loser than I thought.


Me too. I believe in prosperity of both. Ukraine will be celebrating its 19th anniversary of Independance on August 24th. A lot was gained during this short time, a lot was lost, but Ukraine moves forward. As regarding to Poles in Ukraine historically and the "high standards" they brought during the occupation, here is some statement from the 1st Ukrainian president and great historian of the beginning of 20th century M. Hrushevskyj:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Ukrainian_minority_in_Poland

So, thank you very much. Let's prosper as we did and if you really want some high standards of living, I hope Holland won't be totally against some chunk of Baltic seashore. Go ahead.

P.S. Ukraine has NO article "the" in front of Its name.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


What else can be said? Poles burnt Ukrainian churches in order to root out Ukrainian culture and nation as such. Settling Ukrainian territories with Polish militants, lands owned by Ukrainians, often resulting in leaving people with no place to live in. Schools and libraries were burnt or closed, universities made unaccessible for Ukrainians. Thousands of men and women were incarcerated for simply sticking to their parents' culture. Many died in horrible conditions in Polish concentration camps such as Bereza Kartuska before WWll and Jaworzno, for example, after the war. These crimes remain still unanswered by Polish government till today.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Here is the article from the Times newspaper dated Oct. 24, 1938:


time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,883791,00.html


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Orthodox_Church_of_the_Kyivan_Patriarchate


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_of_Galicia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Lithuania#Languages

All these link I provided for you to see that the territories of modern Ukraine and Bielorus' were Orthodox since the time of Kievan Rus' and its christenizing in 988. As you might imagine there were hundreds of Orthodox churches before Russia even came to exist as a state or Polish state encroached on these territories. Uniates, not even Catholic, churches came to life from the Orthodox churches in 1596 and were based on those same Orthodox Christians who agreed to recognize the pope while keeping the Orthodox rite in their liturgical life. So, your claims that Russian tsar built churches in Volyn' and Poles destroyed those so-called "tsar churches" are preposterous.


I have never said that there were Ukrainian atrocities caused by revenge. Desperation and resignation were the feelings of people whose lives were turned into nightmare by Poles and Polish government. Revenge is present when there is a hope. Those people had none.


Your text says "two", not "three" churches. But again you avoid my question of why these churches were left untouched and Russian Orthodox in the middle of Polish capital and Poles who were so eager to fight tsar and his policies went all the way to Volyn' and started destruction of Ukrainian churches there as a revindication? Hope this time you'll answer my question.


Not for long they remained in Hungarian possession either and now they are in Ukraine. I don't understand your argument of "no so long". This is the way I expect Sokrates to argue, not you. If "no so long" is enough for you, then why argue about Carpathian mountains now?

.I am posting it the second time. After the Czechoslovakia ceased to exist as Nazi, Polish and Hungarian armies attacked it from every side, Augustin Voloshyn, who was appointed


by still existing Czech government, not by himself, that very Voloshyn (a Ukrainian priest, by the way) tried to preserve independance of this land WHILE BEING SUPPORTED BY CZECH TROOPS WHICH KNEW ABOUT THE INDEPENDANCE BECAUSE IT WAS FREAKING DECLARED AND EVERYONE KNEW. But since Hitler refused its independance he and the CZECH army retreated unwilling to die against the overpowering force.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgustyn_Voloshyn

Are you playing with me?


So, why Czechs attacked Hungarians and not Voloshyn? Why there was no response on their part, but immediate attack on Hungarians? How can you say how popular or unpopular were the policy of the country if it existed only a few days or even hours?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpatho-Ukraine

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


From the same "source" you took your info from. So, if you demanded for Uniate (Ukrainian) churches to be returned (almost 3 times as much taken by Orthodox as Polish), why did you burn churches of Orthodox Ukrainians. This just escapes my logic. Isn't this the issue to be decided between Ukrainians themselves. Or Poles had some other intention in mind with the would-be recovered churches? Since churches were taken by Russians, then why do you destroy even stolen but Ukrainian property? Be kind to explain.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


These territories were occupied by the above-mentioned countries. You are talking about Sub-Carpathian Ukraine. Here is the info on the territories which seem to bother you:



Under the unfavorable circumstances, having no army or other ways of influencing political decisions, Rusyns voted for the best available option - Czechoslovakia.


Nothing strange here. Ukraine gained nothing from the Munich agreement, in which it didn't participate.


Of course, Greater - in other words - United. What unusual in a nation coming under one wing.



I think if Ukrainians wanted a part of Czechoslovakia proper, they wouldn't be guarded by Czechoslovakian troops. Also if Voloshyn was appointed by German directive in 1938, he wouldn't risk his post by siding with the retreating Czech troops, moreover, already knowing about the decision of the Munich agreement a year earlier. I think you should ask Hungarians, eternal brothers of yours, about why they invaded Czechoslovakia and Sub-Carpathian region.


You still haven't explained the huge Russian Orthodox church you have in Warsaw while burning hundreds of Ukrainian churches in Western Ukraine if you indeed were revindicating. If you saw policy of russification in Orthodox churches wouldn't it be more logic to start with Russian if that was your real intention, in which I have hard time to believe.


I think all of those + Jewish minority also supported Ukrainian state, sometimes being simply neutral.


I haven't posted the pictures. When someone does, there have to be proof of what I am looking at, not meer pictures of murdered people. They could have been in any country and killed by anyone. How do I know?

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=164006&start=15

Hodyvantsi, Tomashivskogo County, the priest was convicted for conducting the massesand was punished by 3 months of arrest and monetary penalty. Novosilky preist received 1 month of arrest and monetary penalty.

Farmer from village. Hodyvantsi, who had 75 years of age, sentenced to monetary penalty and seizure for the fact [b]that he used his house for secret prayer meetings. Ten women from Hmilka parish stayed several months in prison in Biłgoraj for resistance during the closing"house of prayer" in Hmilku.[/quote]
Second Polish republic was nothing less than a bunch of barbaric lowlifes who knew nothing of religious or national tolerance. A priest in Polish mass was yelling to his parishioners: "Don't sell milk to Jews and Ukrainians". I mean how pathetic this "priest" was.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


Any source? Or you again try to post looking at your derriere? Why not look up what you mean so it is easier to discuss the issue.


Interesting ;) Where are the royals to demand? I bet Ukrainian court will be happy to listen to their claims. Just call your king and let him know that he is free to try.


Was there an amendment made in Polish fantasy constitution which prevents Jews from getting back their lands?


Where? All I heard from you was ungrounded statements, unsupported by any source.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


And Polish church became a vehicle of Polonization. So, what are we arguing here about? Both were involved in destroying churches, making sure that the people lose their identity, language, culture.


Thanks for mentioning this. It was simply disgusting. I feel pain for all these people who had to go through this Polish and Russian BS through centuries, being forced into Catholicism (Uniate Church) or Russian Orthodoxy in one time or the other.


Poland was the only country in the world involved in post WWll Jewish pogroms and murder. Kielce 1946 is a horrible witness of that.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom

The same place where 28 years earlier, in 1918 Poles did the following:




Poles indeed "tasted" wealth.


Ukrainians had little support for Bolsheviks, because even the poorest one had a cow and a parcel of field to grow food on for his own family. Bolsheviks forcefully removed whatever people had accompanied by army or execution squadrons. Communism was never part of Ukrainian mentality as ownership was always cherished and work respected. Here is a source on what bolsheviks started in 1928-29 with hard-working people:


ukrainiangenocide.com/dkeyfigures.html

This is not a support of Bolshevism. If there were those who supported it in the late 1910s, the reason was being a hope to start something new, picturesque as communists were presenting it; but again, only landless and hopeless could have been seduced by this, not the owners of even a small lot of land. The village where my father is from, the most hidden and almost unknown, had always majority of its inhabitants with land and livestock.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


Exactly. It is nothing of surprise, though. Poland signed an agreement with Czechoslovakia in 1925 too, which it betrayed in 1938 by invading this country.


Again posting your derriere thoughts in here? Stop it, please. Say something intelligent for a change.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War

So, it definitely mattered as you feared to fight yourself and had to send well-equipped French army. Also lying about bolshevism and Ukrainians to get to use the French looks so low and unhonorable. Again, this is nothing new to Poland.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


M-G, you understand the issue much better than people who study the history about this issue since early childhood. They are not able to draw simple conclusions by the mere way of putting oneself in the mentioned historical circumstances. Only Poles can be willing to be independent from invaders, others have to choose between bad Russians and sweet like sugar Poles. Ukrainians, in Polish highest IQ minds in Europe, were acting irrationally.


Mostly the changes by Iron, but also the way you put it that Polish sarcasm radar failed to pick up the signal. No surprise, but still :)

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]



M-G, because of you, I have to wash my underware. Thanks, though :))


If you don't like history why don't you go and look more on your derriere instead of drawing your comments from it and wasting PF's space.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


You should do self-cleansing, that's for sure.

How destroying and burning Ukrainian churches equals so-called "restoration" of Polish Catholicism in Ukraine?


Uniates have never made majority in Ukraine. Why do you make stuff up? Uniates more nationalistic? Read more of Ukrainian history and you will realize that the main national spirit of Ukraine was upheld by Orthodox believers, not Catholics. Ukrainians who fought Poles and Russians in 16th, 17th and 18th centuries were overwhelmingly Orthodox.


Wow, quite a title and again Timothy Snyder ;)


How is it connected to burning Ukrainian Orthodox churches which existed in Volyn, Chelm and L'viv region for centuries? Why do you show pictures of UNBURNED RUSSIAN CHURCH IN THE MIDDLE OF FREAKING CAPITAL OF YOURS and give this as an example of your REVINDICATION on RUSSIAN policy while you burnt UKRAINIAN CHURCHES in HUNDREDS all over western regions of Ukraine? Why didn't you burn this one then??? Ha???


Again Russian tsar policy and it was in Vilnius (Lithuania), not Poland.

There you had 150 years of Polonization and Latinization, which included similar policies you did during 1920s and 1930s. If you managed to burn over 210 Ukrainian churches, burn libraries, close schools and expel Ukrainian profs from every university in your reach within 19 years, guess what you did in 150 years in 16-17th centuries. Ukraine before 16th century was almost exclusively orthodox, with universities and schools and churches which had lectures about Orthodox faith, not Catholic. Everything started to change after Brest 1596.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Greek_Catholic_Church

In order to survive and get a better job people at those time accepted Uniate faith as it still contain the same Orthodox rite, only recognition of pope was new. But who cared about a dude in Rome as long as you may pray in your own language.


I mean what kind of statement is that? ;) Did they measure faith at that time by some electronic devices?


Wow, that Snyder is something! ;) So, basically Poles did everything even ukrainize Ukrainians. That's phenomenal.


As of 2008, the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is estimated to have 4,284,082 faithful
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Greek_Catholic_Church

Looks strange, doesn't it? After 230 years? Polish sources and Tymothy Snyder are famous for blowing everything up out of proportions to prove their "point".


It is anachronism still in use. I hope this out of place word will be replaced.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Sokrates is a tongue-flapping prodigy; he is working on Masters in Oral Arts at night somewhere on Bzdiszczyn's red lights street. Lots of promises from this young talent.


;) Fantasy land of yours...nothing changes. Are you also into drawing? Amazing.


Where did you suck these numbers, Socki? Some source?


Pigs like you have easy right now jabbering online about what Jews went through. 10 minutes? I knew you are dumb, but not to that point. And all the atrocities and 350 ways of killing fantasy of yours is pure BS as everything you say. You imagine numbers - 250,000???? ;) maybe, a million? no? , tortures perpetrated by NKWD or Soviet armies made to look like UPA by communist regime which reigned for 50 years after and which is known with its falsification of facts, or even pictures of Ukrainian families, presented as Polish, murdered by who knows whom in what was going in Ukraine at that time. Where is your proof of who did murder these people? None.


Ukraine was attacked by Soviets, Nazis, Poles who had no intent of letting people live on their lands. Ukrainian regular insurgents which made 40,000 self-trained soldiers and lots of people who supported them had barely what to fight with. Food was in shortage, guns where stolen from killing occupying forces and there was no time for wasting salt on somebody's wounds, cutting breasts, making 350 Polish imagined tortures if you wanted to see your country free. During Second Polish republic in prisons where Poles had enough time to waste, these practices were extensively used on any representative of national minority, be it a Jew, a Bielorusin, a Ukrainian or a Lithuanian.


With Poles we made so many compromises in history that this is simply ridiculous. But in every one of them, you betrayed the agreement. And if you don't believe me, just ask Czechs or Lithuanians, they had the same experience with you. This is why you are angels and every one else are bad and injust to these pure-white polish goląbki.


Ironing too ;)

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


Thank you so much, Aphrodisiac, for the info. It was horrible. To destroy churches, places around which revolves Ukrainian tradition and culture en masse: more than 210 churches were destroyed by Poles, as much closed or converted into Catholic churches. All done in 1930s to "fight" Ukrainian nationalism. And now they are asking to give them Ukrainian organ hall to run their masses. ;)

You want to pray so much? Make an effort to rebuild what you destroyed first better, "believers".

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


As soon as you have read my post # 83, recognize yourself an ignorant tongue-flapper. Then I would readily waste my time to talk to someone like you who would make easily millions in oral arts.

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]


Seanus, what are you talking about?!
I am still patiently waiting on UPA explanation mentioned in my previous post. I don't think you are like Sokrates - the Polish tongue-flapper.


What acknowledge? This topic is about Poland and its policy in 1930s. I don't ask anyone about apology. When there is topic about Ukrainian insurgents and Polish whining I haven't yet read your post saying: oh, it is past, let's move on. Or why are there so many WWII posts and you say nothing about moving on and forgetting the topic altogether? Let's talk about Lindsay Lohan. Is she still in prison?

History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Ok, now give me a single source about UPA's brutality in Warsaw. Please, be kind not to avoid the answer like other tongue-flappers. Aphrodisiac tries to show a part of Polish history. What do you mean by history is not present. Majority of things discussed are in the past.


This is a discussion of Polish policy in 1930s. When you discuss Napoleon, do you expect accountability from the French? It is part of your history and Polish state burnt hundreds of Ukrainian churches in 30s. Now Polish community jumps like pathetic bunch demanding return of churches. Rebuild what you destroyed, then raise demands.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_St._Mary_Magdalene,_Lviv

So, Poles may easily rent the church for religious purposes. I bet Ukrainians cannot rent hundreds of burnt by Poles churches. Should we demand from Poland now reconstructing all the churches you destroyed? So we can at least rent?


I know that for an ignoramus like you names like Oleksander Dovzhenko, S. Paradjanov, Y. Illienko (incredible producer,director and political activist, died last month, rest in peace) won't mean anything, but they went into history not only Ukrainian, but the world's cinematography.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_Ukraine


myukraine.info/en/culture/art/Films/


The Dovzhenko's films Zvenihora, 1928, Arsenal, 1929, and Zemlya, 1930!!! (A chef-d'oeuvre of the world's cinematography), played a special role in the making of the Ukrainian cinematography. His artistic efforts raised this country's film industry to the world level. In 1958, at the World Fair in Brussels (Belgium) the poll conducted among the outstanding 117 movie critics and cinematologist from 26 countries of the world named the latter film among the twelve best films of 'all the times and nations'.

One of my best Ukrainian actors Ivan Mykolaychuk received a Grand Prix for his "Babylon XX" movie. He died at age of 47 and played in more than 30 Ukrainian movies

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Mykolaychuk

Roman Viktyuk - a world-renowned Ukrainian producer (btw, born in L'viv - yey!).


So, there is plenty to learn about Ukrainian cinematography, than flap with your tongue like so pathetically. It is not a bait as you put it. It just shows that morons are abundant.


Read the title of the topic again, please. It is not about naked women some of us are interested in discussing.


In Ukraine, especially at that time it was taking away humanity, because religion was an unalienable part of everyday life, be it physical or spiritual. Traditions, customs, songs, morals were and are in majority based on one's believes. It was part of who you are. And this is not exaggeration. To burn churches, to kick the kids out of schools, to burn libraries, to close universities had only this intention, MG, as you said, to take away humanity.


Here are some, Aphro; I'll try to look for more.

history-ukraine.livejournal.com/16725.html
nadbuhom.free.ngo.pl/art_1544.html

Love / WILDROVERS FIVE YEARS IN POLAND....come to an end...! [132]


Remember I told you to drown her in the Dnieper and you didn't listen ;) Now you are moving on, all happy, leaving everyone behind like nothing happened. How rude of you, Wildy ;)

I wish you and your girlfriend all the best, lots of love and luck. Most important - be happy, pal :)

History / Chances of Moscow becoming part of Poland again? [102]

Great point, bbanjo69. And I don't believe a second that russia will ever be a normal European state that practices democratic principles. They will always live in the tzar-demanding mentality, which is able to survive on wars and fear since they were not and won't ever be able to compete with the rest of Europe based on the same rules, be it in business or simply in an everyday social life. Guess why russia is in G8 - economy? ;)


Of course, none of us will; we will always remember those who paid for our freedom by their lives; that's why Europe and other democracies should be cherished like a pupil of the eye for letting people think, be independent and know the truth.

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You are right, Sicko ;)


The visitors from a bit further removed lands (France or Germany) always made their visits at the wrong time of the year. You have to be there in summer, not for Christmas :)

Battle of Klushino 1610 occurred on July the 4th - nice victory for Poland.
In 1618 Petro Sahaidachny's campaign against the Muscovy resulted in sacking numerous forts such as Putivl, Kursk, Yelets, and others. Together with Chodkiewicz he laid the siege to Moscow in September of 1618. These battles all occurred when the sun was shining :) Russians don't like that - you can only drink water then ;) No spirit for battle ;)

Coldest places on Earth? Come on. There are already fights for the shelf and its covered resources in the Arctic ocean. These places are warming up and become suitable for living.

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I know.

;) You, probably, missed my point. "Drang nach Ural" foreign policy is not interested in your language or believes. It is something that you should concern yourself with. You should think where to resettle, not what language I will be studying :) Conditions for you will be to disappear and better sooner than later or become a part of the new settlement. Personally, I prefer the first.

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Anyone willing to start a new life in a new environment (a bit harsh, but not that bad) should be encouraged to settle in the regained wastelands of Russia. China, India, Mexico which population are increasing, have to expand somehow, otherwise they will explode. Currently North America is the primary shock-absorber of growing populations from these countries. But how long will it last? 15-20 years? And then? 1/9th of the Earth lands lies practically unpopulated. These lands have to be used to protect viability of our overpopulated states.


He doesn't dare to talk directly to me :)


In her dreams, maybe.