Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]


I have the same respect to Polish culture. You just seem not to understand that it is easier to learn proper spelling and speaking through first knowing how it sounds. It doesn't mean that a student will be writing "rurza" in the end. Absolutely not.


Chill out, Antek. This is just a dialogue :)
In regards to a friendship: friendship is something you go through no matter how difficult it is. If one gives it up for a transliteration technique or similar nuisance then it wasn't a friendship in the first place.

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]


Wow, quite romantic, especially the last part ;) If this the tendency in Poland to beat people unconcious for that, my next trip to Poland would be with a white! T-shirt and a red! word "RURZA" accross the chest and back. I like some action :)

*Under this bed of roses rests Nathan who liked to write Polish words unconventionally* ;)


Yes, that's true. I have noticed that.

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]

Do you understand me right now, Nathan? :) But I would transliterate for English this way: Chy ty mie v tey khvilie rozumjesh, neiten?


No, we don't. We say: "hak" and "chlib", which I bet the Polish would have no problem to pronounce (maybe, with accent, but who doesn't have one?)

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]


If this, and I mean PRONOUNCIATION, harms people, they are irreparably harmed already.


That's a good choice if pronounciation harms, but only directed towards oneself :)


I see the difference absolutely and know these words.
Regarding your granny, she taught language to the Polish and not to any other ethnicity out there, To know how the words are spoken one needs pronounciation-transliteration handy. I wouldn't ever learn a language if I knew nothing of its sound.

"rurza" tells you how the word sounds, since it is generally accepted to read "u" like "u" which sound like wolf-howling. It makes it easy.

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]


I am glad :)



You can't be serious. Woon wrote the words as they sound in Polish transliteration, not how they are written. And did a great job. What difference is there in a sound depicted by "rz" or "ż"? None, as far as I know. If I see "las" and don't speak Polish I would read it hard "L". But with the way Woon presented it, you have the softening which is how you pronounce it, right?


Thanks, Woon. Great examples. And I am happy to see another co-patriot on PF :)
P.S. Pardon, you already said it :)

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]


And what is this supposed to mean? "u selo"? What language is it? Are you sure you know even basics of Ukrainian? :))))


You are absolutely right, FlaglessPoles. Recently, I listened to a Ukrainian MP who was born in the central Ukraine (Zaporizhya) in 1960s. His parents had real difficulty in finding a Ukrainian school. They had to move in order to enrol their son in a school where he could be taught in Ukrainian. Being born in Lviv, which is a heart of Ukrainian re-birth, we had compulsory Russian language and Russian literature classes since grade 3 (10 years kids) as separate subjects from Foreign language or literature. So, you might imagine the situation further east where the Russians over centuries exterminated many aspects of our culture. But it is alive and will be gradually restored. The way that Wiedzmin contorts the facts, claiming he is an ethnic Ukrainian who as you noticed calls me "zapadieniec" (derogatory for a Ukrainian form the western region) and laughs at "his" ethnic language, one might easily figure out who it is.


Not true. This was and still is done to give a chance to kids from villages where it is tougher to study because of the work and the lack of teachers. It has nothing to do with Ukrainian language.


Oh yeh? So, why don't you speak Ukrainian? You claim you had classes, relatives etc. and still not able to learn this "slight difference"? Poor kid ;)

History / WW2 - The other side. What USSR, also that the Polish government has made not to admit WW2 [45]

How could Poland attack Russia? Did you have common proper borders at that time? What did Russia do in Ukraine and Belorus? Did Poland attack Moscow or Saratov? No. You both wanted the same piece of pie: lands of Ukraine and Belorus. You said you were bleeding profusely? You have never bled enough it seems. But it is all you are able to do or to be involved in: war to waste human lives. 2 hundred years ago or today - Russians are the same: fighting for more land to turn into a pigsty.



Well, I do. It looks like a sh*thole. Besides Moscow and St. Petersburg, there is nothing worth visiting or living in. But of course, you are a proud Russian boy who with honor would let die its submarine crew of over 120 people than recognize what a helpless bunch of degenerates your policy-makers are. You would send poor kids to fight the sooner-or-later to be free Chechnia on planes they have never seen in their life and who will follow the orders to bombard the city where your own army is located. You will murder more than 300 journalists since 1993 and won't bother to solve a single case with justice. This is what no one ever wants his/her country to be. You know that you are nobody in your state, less than a toilet paper, which will be torn if it said something wrong. You have more rights as a non-citizen in EU than a citizen of Russia. But still you are afraid to adopt AS A BEING the values 27 states of EU and the rest of the civilized world support. Hold on to your dirty shack.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Just put in Lviv there instead of Gdansk and Ukraine in place of Poland and you have the answer to your question :)


I didn`t. I mentioned Lviv. But I agree with most of what you said. It is just my approach to some jumpers out here to solve the issue fast without going too much into history. It is 2011 outside and some still live in the Middle Ages. Why explain? and to whom? :)

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Why? Historically it was German and by inhabitants it was German. I was there once and it is German through and through. I agree Danzig wasn't Polish neither historically, nor inhabitantwise Polish. What about that?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


If you mean L'viv, then both. What do you think about Danzig, Kulm, Breslau, Posen,...? Should they be Polish because of the history or the nationality of inhabitants?

News / Warsaw is the natural capital of Europe, not Brussels [67]


We just need to wait until somebody from Ciepladziura tells us that we are monkeys ;)


Just like me. I simply can't ;)


Who cares - everyone now knows where to find them ;)

History / What was it like in 1989+ in Poland when the Soviet house of cards fell? [237]


Thanks, Antek, for explanation. It is really interesting. Over 70% is quite a yield!

News / Warsaw is the natural capital of Europe, not Brussels [67]


It is not a secret, BB :) Warsaw is a better kept secret: besides a few people nobody else knows that it is a center ;)


Indeed, there is resemblance, but as you know the heart is not in the center :) The center would be a bit further to the right (thus, to the west), which gives Germany another point.

What about the Oder? Nice natural curve for a center and will satisfy the two countries.
But to be true to the measurements as midpoints of the Europe's extreme points Belarus would have the center point:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_points_of_Europe

History / What was it like in 1989+ in Poland when the Soviet house of cards fell? [237]

One of the problems is the ferocious defense of the RCC or any other church out there by fanatics who would crucify Christ for the second time just to preserve the status quo of complete detachment from the original philosophy. How do they say: Revolutions are made by heros, organized by geniuses and their fruits are eaten by perverted fanatics who hate the revolution even though it created them.

Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1303]


Yes! Thanks, boletus. I think any mushroom in sourcream and onion sauce becomes a deity :)

History / What was it like in 1989+ in Poland when the Soviet house of cards fell? [237]


Very interesting story, Antek. I didn't do the distillation myself, but was a witness of so many :) How did you purify the rum from oils? I know some use charcoal or cotton besides the evaporation itself. What about that white material mangle?

Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1303]

What about the mushrooms (I don't know their English name), but which are slimy like snails? They are with a white stalk and grey-brown tinge to them. Oftentimes sold marinated.

History / Tuchola in Poland - roots of Katyn? [220]



Aren't Poles Not-Russians? ;) How do you unite with people you hate?

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Here is a photo of the Nazis meeting the Soviets on September 20th, 1939. It is even less than 3 weeks.

nationalarmedforces.com/national-armed-forces-overview-part-2.html

But still, I didn't mean to be derogatory here, MW.


I agree. That's why there billions of books and documents on this period. It was tough period for the whole Europe.


Where did I blame Poland for not fighting with us or for us??? :) That is what you are arguing all the time accusing the British. Here is what I said:


Not an accusation, but realization of our own mistakes.


I see the foam. Calm down, horsie ;)

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Here is the Ukrainian army history with the statehood periods for starters: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Ukraine


The Polish were the allies of one faction of the Ukrainians under command of Petliura.
Many didn't support cooperation with the Poles. Ones saw Ukraine as a Soviet state. The others as a democratic state (in its present meaning). There were ideas as to how the Ukrainian state should develop, we had: anarchists, monarchists, democrats, communists, all pulling in a different direction, unfortunately, unable to form a single front. The neighbors used that discord. Our fault. Ukrainian history of 1918-1921 is a whirlpool of battles, events, governments, armies passing back and forth. It was an exciting, tragic, complicated period.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


In Uman ;)


Battle of Zhovti Vody, battle of Korsun, battle of Pyliavtsi, battle of Batih show something different ;) The famous polish army was fleeing the battle-fields and a year later Poland was gone on the ends of the Ukrainian spikes. Nota bene: you led no other war at that time :)))


Yeh, they so slapped that the Russians in 2008 raised the whole bruhaha against the Ukraine's celebration of Konotop battle victory when the Russians were crushed.


What a bunch of wussies :)


/wiki/Battle_of_Konotop

In all the cases whether with poles or russians the big mistake of the Ukrainians was not to go over into their homes and massacre the whole population out so that they thought twice before coming over the next time.


One reason you can't think (beside obvious reasons) is most likely you have never read Ukrainian history. Open up a book on occasion and you might learn something :)

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Polish government in 1940 was not in Warsaw. So by your logic it was Ok. Poland had no right for Warsaw and the rest because its government was relaxing in London. I see.


If you see the invading army, it is considered normal to raise an army. Shame is that out of all hyper-Catholic and pious states Poland was the one to do that on their neighbor. Disgrace.


Was there discopolo, BB? ;)

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


So what was with the coup in 1919, what administration did you try to overthrow?


Macchiavelli would have been proud of Poland in 1919.


You don't encounter your enemies on the foreign territory without permission. That is called invasion and Poland besides its failed coup d'etat attacked Lithuania a year later. Shame.


What state? Cuba? China? The state had the name. Who cares what issues you might have?! I bet there more psychological issues you have to battle on the daily basis.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


It is not about Ukraine, but if you want to know:


The difference is nobody here whines that someone didn't help us when in Poland's case there was help from the UK.


I understand and the British understood and didn't end up throwing their army into a pitch jeopardizing the future of Europe to save Poland for a month. You are the one who doesn't understand it.


I don't argue with that and I think your grandfathers fought courageously. The only thing that bothers me is understimation and unappreciation of the help your state received from Britain.


You have everything the biggest, the best and the first. I am not going to argue.


God forbid a war, but we will make it memorable for them.
*sees fat-devouring ants finishing someone's a*ss* :)


I agree ;)

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


What did you do for your country? Raised a white flag after 3 weeks after infamous bragging of running over Germany "whether they want it or not". Did you show SIGNIFICANT action by surrendering in 20 days??? Before any NORMAL country let its own citizens die for the life of some other state which invaded Czechoslovakia and Lithuania a few months earlier there needs to be devised a strategy and all the necessary logistical and military elements accumulated: people, weapons, ships, planes, provision, public opinion, taxes... You don't take a white flag and march on an enemy like some prefer to do. Preparation, my friend, is essential.


You are lucky they gave it. They could have left you die like flies and build their own defenses or help out the French without giving a cr*p about the Eastern front.


It is not Poland.


Well, there were no flies in Poland after 3 weeks.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]

Absolutely. The UK declared the war against the Nazis immediately after the attack, sent its troops during the war on the continent, gave the planes, weapons, food to the Polish soldiers and now this embarrassment of the XXI century quacks pathetically that the Britain did nothing. Shame. It isn't even worth wasting words.


Listen, polish einstein. Count the people in the villages and cities surrounding Lviv in 1931 and compare to 60% of the Polish population in Lviv itself that same year and tell me who was in the majority. Places all the way to Jaroslaviv (now Jaroslawow in Poland), Peremyshel, Holm (built by our king, btw) had the Ukrainians in the majority. But we don't seem to quack that the Poles didn't allow the plebiscite and instead organized an expulsion of 250,000 Ukrainians under operation Wisla in 1947.

News / Visegrad Battle Group under the command of Poland [261]


The article is a bit out of touch with Ukraine's current political circumstances. I would like to see the signing of the agreement with the EU, otherwise, it is just empty talks and promises. Yanukovych loses in both cases, either the agreement is signed with EU or Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan custom treaty (this one is unlikely to happen because Ukraine is a member of WTO and the others are not and the rules of WTO, as I heard, forbid forming any outsider economical coalition). But even if, that custom treaty will put a cross on any aspiration to normal democratic development and progress. With the EU you have to follow certain rules (not a forte of Yanukovych and his majority party in general). Ukraine will gain by signing the agreement with the EU even if it means membership in 2050 or never, because it will definitely improve economical ties, political atmosphere, tourism etc. Association is a good boost in itself and I would be happy to see it in December.

History / Poland's biggest historical blunder? [341]


Unless you live in La-la land, which I don't doubt. How is the weather there today?


Not oppressed, just hating our buttons to be pushed.
*looks at the buttons and sees Ironside trying to push them* ;)

News / Visegrad Battle Group under the command of Poland [261]


Thanks, boletus, for the post. I think that T. Chornowil is absolutely right. Frankly, I was surprised from the accusation of the Czech diplomat in the espionage. The "president" and his surroundings with the corrupted parliament are a bunch of crooks not to be trusted or respected. The bastards make everything possible to fail Ukraine's EU association status by the end of this year.

History / What was it like in 1989+ in Poland when the Soviet house of cards fell? [237]


I remember it was impossible to stay at home: played hockey, soccer, street "wars", hide-and-seek, shooting with self-made bows, slings, kid-band's trip to steal green, sour-like-hell apples instead of nice ripe ones at home. Those were always better :) Sweet memories! Computer? What was it? Now, it shifted to thumb exercises big deal. I think it is unfortunate.