rock
28 Sep 2008
rock
26 Sep 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
no, it is not. I can tell what really happened if you are interested. But, the Europeans prefer to believe Armenians. Maybe because they are christains.
It is useless to try to change the prejudices. We Turks know that Armenian genocit claims are a great lie.
I want to confess when somebody lift up a gun or rifle against the Turks, Turks can not welcome them with flowers. But of course not happy to kill people even in war conditions. I don't support this guy's talk from this point of view.
If kurdish terorists kill innocent villagers, doctors, teachers and wants land for Kurds from Turkey, Turkey will not let them to live.
maybe not millions, but thousands....it is my understanding there was a lil ethnic cleansing of armenians, or are they just crying over spilt milk??
no, it is not. I can tell what really happened if you are interested. But, the Europeans prefer to believe Armenians. Maybe because they are christains.
It is useless to try to change the prejudices. We Turks know that Armenian genocit claims are a great lie.
to show the Kurds what will be done to them if they lift up a gun or rifle against the Turks.
I want to confess when somebody lift up a gun or rifle against the Turks, Turks can not welcome them with flowers. But of course not happy to kill people even in war conditions. I don't support this guy's talk from this point of view.
If kurdish terorists kill innocent villagers, doctors, teachers and wants land for Kurds from Turkey, Turkey will not let them to live.
rock
25 Sep 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Your ideas are more clear for me now. I agree with you about self-critism. As you know when two Turks come together they begin to discuss how to save the country. It includes education, misuse of authority, corruption, man-woman relations etc.
But I believe, we have to be optimistic and talk about positive things at the same time. For example, majority of Turks are helpful, hospitable, supports weak and poor, humanistic and friendly. We really have very nice values.
On the other hand, I don't think ''nationalism'' is bad. It is the propoganda of ''globalization''. Globalization does not mean creating ''happy world state''. It is the new word synonymous with imperialism. Nationalism is bad for globalization of course. Because rich man of the world can not reach all the sources of the nations if nationalism goes on. Unfortunately in Turkey even lot of educated people, you may be too, if I am wrog correct me, believes this dangerous game.
I respect all the nations and people of them who loves their country, flag, ready to die for its independence.
In Turkey, I hate liberals (liboş) who are supporting Soros and alikes. I think this kind of thoughts are as dangerous as radical islam and kurdish terorists.
We have to be careful not to be slaves of global companies in our country.
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk described nationalism perfectly. My way is his way.
Meanwhile, you know we like Poles in Turkey and as far as I see Poles also likes Turks. I believe, you will be happy to study in Poland.
Your ideas are more clear for me now. I agree with you about self-critism. As you know when two Turks come together they begin to discuss how to save the country. It includes education, misuse of authority, corruption, man-woman relations etc.
But I believe, we have to be optimistic and talk about positive things at the same time. For example, majority of Turks are helpful, hospitable, supports weak and poor, humanistic and friendly. We really have very nice values.
On the other hand, I don't think ''nationalism'' is bad. It is the propoganda of ''globalization''. Globalization does not mean creating ''happy world state''. It is the new word synonymous with imperialism. Nationalism is bad for globalization of course. Because rich man of the world can not reach all the sources of the nations if nationalism goes on. Unfortunately in Turkey even lot of educated people, you may be too, if I am wrog correct me, believes this dangerous game.
I respect all the nations and people of them who loves their country, flag, ready to die for its independence.
In Turkey, I hate liberals (liboş) who are supporting Soros and alikes. I think this kind of thoughts are as dangerous as radical islam and kurdish terorists.
We have to be careful not to be slaves of global companies in our country.
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk described nationalism perfectly. My way is his way.
Meanwhile, you know we like Poles in Turkey and as far as I see Poles also likes Turks. I believe, you will be happy to study in Poland.
rock
25 Sep 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Hello,
First of all, I want to say, I'm happy to hear another Turk's voice in the forum. Welcome !
I don't want to hurt you and involve any polemics but, what I did not understand is why do you think to be loved by people in this forum and to change some negative thoughts is passing from telling negative things or about Turkish society. Do you think the other countries and people are like angels. Turkey can not win with ınferiority complex.
For example if you say a lie ''we killed millions of Armenians and Kurds'' like Orhan Pamuk, they will like you but it is a lie.
I respect and agree with your peaceful comments. I wish everybody in the world could think like you. But, it is utopia. You will understand what I mean when you follow the forum.
i hope, i may change some negative thoughts of you.
Hello,
First of all, I want to say, I'm happy to hear another Turk's voice in the forum. Welcome !
I don't want to hurt you and involve any polemics but, what I did not understand is why do you think to be loved by people in this forum and to change some negative thoughts is passing from telling negative things or about Turkish society. Do you think the other countries and people are like angels. Turkey can not win with ınferiority complex.
For example if you say a lie ''we killed millions of Armenians and Kurds'' like Orhan Pamuk, they will like you but it is a lie.
I respect and agree with your peaceful comments. I wish everybody in the world could think like you. But, it is utopia. You will understand what I mean when you follow the forum.
rock
24 Sep 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
I think ''Alaçatı'' is the place you describe. You can fly to İzmir which is the third biggest city in Turkey. Alaçatı is approximately 1 hour by car to the west from İzmir close to Çeşme. It is famous for windsurfing. You can easily rent equipment on the beach, also there are nice beaches to swim. You can visit ancient city Efes and house of Mother Mary which are again 1 hour by car on the south of İzmir.
I am interested in history, mainly, and architecture.. A place where I could stay and sample Turkish cuisine would also be nice..
Of sports, I am interested in windsurfing..
Are there a lot of places which accomodate tourists with equipement, for rent?
Of sports, I am interested in windsurfing..
Are there a lot of places which accomodate tourists with equipement, for rent?
I think ''Alaçatı'' is the place you describe. You can fly to İzmir which is the third biggest city in Turkey. Alaçatı is approximately 1 hour by car to the west from İzmir close to Çeşme. It is famous for windsurfing. You can easily rent equipment on the beach, also there are nice beaches to swim. You can visit ancient city Efes and house of Mother Mary which are again 1 hour by car on the south of İzmir.
rock
23 Sep 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Which parts of Turkey you have seen before ?. What are you interested in mostly?
History, natural beauties, sea, rafting etc.
Which parts of Turkey you have seen before ?. What are you interested in mostly?
History, natural beauties, sea, rafting etc.
rock
22 Sep 2008
Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]
What is your comment about this link ?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
I don't know how pure Pole he is. But he hadn't attacked Turks together with Germans, Ottomans next target would be Germany not Poland. Maybe, You would not be a sandwich between Germans and Russians later.
Tatars are not Turks :)
What is your comment about this link ?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
Sobieski was pure Pole
I don't know how pure Pole he is. But he hadn't attacked Turks together with Germans, Ottomans next target would be Germany not Poland. Maybe, You would not be a sandwich between Germans and Russians later.
rock
22 Sep 2008
Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]
Yes, then you Germans invaded Poland. It is funny a German makes this comment.
Ask to a Tatar if he belongs to Turkic or Mongol world. It is not about race. It is reality.
What is the basic knowledge about this issue.
Poles chucked Turks out of Europe and Turks got chucked out of Europe by Poles!
Yes, then you Germans invaded Poland. It is funny a German makes this comment.
I think its very naive of your calling them turkish... to even start with race...they are not turkish at all!
Ask to a Tatar if he belongs to Turkic or Mongol world. It is not about race. It is reality.
Posters prove lack of basic knowledge about Poland. :)))
What is the basic knowledge about this issue.
rock
21 Sep 2008
Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]
Polonya Tatar Birlik is Turkish. Their flag is like our flag. Polish people suppose Tatars are Mongols. No, they are not. They are Turkic. A Turc and a Tatar can understand each other easily when they talk.
Turks and Polish like each other because we have common things in history. Not only Tatars or Ottomans but also Huns. Meanwhile, There is a Polish village in İstanbul called Polonezköy ( Polish : Adampol )
This is a flag used by the Union of Polish Tatars (Zwiazek Tatarow Polskich or Polonya Tatar Birlik), the foremost organization of the remnants of a once prosperous and influential ethno-religious group of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Polonya Tatar Birlik is Turkish. Their flag is like our flag. Polish people suppose Tatars are Mongols. No, they are not. They are Turkic. A Turc and a Tatar can understand each other easily when they talk.
Turks and Polish like each other because we have common things in history. Not only Tatars or Ottomans but also Huns. Meanwhile, There is a Polish village in İstanbul called Polonezköy ( Polish : Adampol )
rock
23 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Yes you are right. I can't even think of walking in front of my wife.
I am lucky we walk together. I am not behind :))
Yes you are right. I can't even think of walking in front of my wife.
I am lucky we walk together. I am not behind :))
rock
22 Jul 2008
Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]
Tatars are Turkic. A Turk can understand a Tatar when he/she speaks but can not understand a Mongolian.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
Tatars are Turkic. A Turk can understand a Tatar when he/she speaks but can not understand a Mongolian.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
rock
14 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
If we investigate where these nations move from between 500-1000 A.C.;
Finns and Hungarians are like brothers/sisters
Turks and Bulgars are like brothers/sisters
These two groups are like cousins.
After more than 1000 years living in far lands, few similarities remained of course.
I dont think so, in Ottoman times Finns were fighting against Turks in Russian army for example in Crimean War and Russo-Turkish 1878. On the other hand I have no problem of being "related to" Turks, I could have a problem with being related to Hungarians cant understand them really :P .
If we investigate where these nations move from between 500-1000 A.C.;
Finns and Hungarians are like brothers/sisters
Turks and Bulgars are like brothers/sisters
These two groups are like cousins.
After more than 1000 years living in far lands, few similarities remained of course.
rock
13 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
You are a provocator. You use every opportunity to create new enemies for Turks.
Typical Greek !
You are a provocator. You use every opportunity to create new enemies for Turks.
Typical Greek !
rock
13 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Yes, unfortunately Turkish society is still conservative in this issue. Pressure on girls means pressure on boys. In the metropols like İstanbul, Ankara and İzmir boys and girls are more free but in small cities there is close follow up for not having sex before marriage.
because sex is an human instinct and if you can't have it with normal and healthy ways within your culture because of religious-social-cultural pressure on girls especially, you look at the girls from a sexually deviant perspective, which lacks happiness and peace in the long run in your relationships with the opposite sex.
Yes, unfortunately Turkish society is still conservative in this issue. Pressure on girls means pressure on boys. In the metropols like İstanbul, Ankara and İzmir boys and girls are more free but in small cities there is close follow up for not having sex before marriage.
rock
13 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Today, boys girls relations are more healthy in Turkey compared with 20 years ago.
Today, boys girls relations are more healthy in Turkey compared with 20 years ago.
rock
12 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
VW Touran is designed by a Turkish guy. Turan is a Turkish word means ''Turks Union''.
VW Touran is designed by a Turkish guy. Turan is a Turkish word means ''Turks Union''.
rock
10 Jul 2008
rock
10 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Is it happened after some terorists blow up a train in Spain ?
What are your reasons ?
i dont like muslim
Is it happened after some terorists blow up a train in Spain ?
What are your reasons ?
rock
10 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Do you like christain Americans who killed thousands of muslim Iraqis ?
And why ?
They need education.
There are midgets of course but I don't know if they are more than any other country.
The average height for woman 1.62 m, man 1.73 m in Turkey.
i just dont like muslims
Do you like christain Americans who killed thousands of muslim Iraqis ?
And why ?
the latest survey in the UK says over 58% of the population feel the same...
They need education.
midgets - are there many midgets in turkey?
There are midgets of course but I don't know if they are more than any other country.
The average height for woman 1.62 m, man 1.73 m in Turkey.
rock
9 Jul 2008
rock
9 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
These beautiful people are muslim.
Meanwhile, my team Fenerbahçe transferred Aragones and Guiza. We trust them for this season in the Turkish league and Championsleage. What is your opinion for them ?
And can it be possible to convert them to muslim. HAHAHAHAAAA :)
These beautiful people are muslim.
Meanwhile, my team Fenerbahçe transferred Aragones and Guiza. We trust them for this season in the Turkish league and Championsleage. What is your opinion for them ?
And can it be possible to convert them to muslim. HAHAHAHAAAA :)
rock
9 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Thank you. But I think to be nice or not isn't about the religion. Who can approve killing people ? We Turks are sad for Americans. But do you really believe islamic terorists have the capacity to organize and realize this. It is unbelievable. We have to think a little, who utilized from this ? Of course, global powers not the muslims. If terorists who called themselves muslim realized this, we don't accept them as muslims.
I was very disappointed in this thread. Beacuse I read very few good words for Turks.
Thank you for your comments. You know about Turks and try to understand what I say.
Im with ya Rock Muslims are nice people, that is of course when there not flying plains into buildings and blowing up trains.
Thank you. But I think to be nice or not isn't about the religion. Who can approve killing people ? We Turks are sad for Americans. But do you really believe islamic terorists have the capacity to organize and realize this. It is unbelievable. We have to think a little, who utilized from this ? Of course, global powers not the muslims. If terorists who called themselves muslim realized this, we don't accept them as muslims.
I have and I have to admit I enjoyed it, it was a few years ago I was there - I saw no women in head scarves or looking remotely like the muslim women in the UK...Turkey is most definately a secular country. I saw men sipping raky and playing board games and women working in shops.... ;0)
But in all honestly I dont quite see where Turkey would fit in the EU...
But in all honestly I dont quite see where Turkey would fit in the EU...
I was very disappointed in this thread. Beacuse I read very few good words for Turks.
Thank you for your comments. You know about Turks and try to understand what I say.
rock
8 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Don't tell me about christain rights in Turkey. They are happy to live in Turkey.
Because of USA more than 1.000.000human beings died in Iraq. And you are silent. You were silent for Bosnia too.
You support animals !
Don't tell me about christain rights in Turkey. They are happy to live in Turkey.
Because of USA more than 1.000.000human beings died in Iraq. And you are silent. You were silent for Bosnia too.
You support animals !
rock
8 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
You are in a conflict. Where is the respect ? You call Kur'an an ugly book. Muslims never insult other religions and their holy books. You say you respect me but you insult my religion.
ugly book called koran
rock what about if i tell you that christian catholic are right and you should read the bible , i respect that you are muslim so i will not tell you that and thats why musims are not tolerant at all
rock what about if i tell you that christian catholic are right and you should read the bible , i respect that you are muslim so i will not tell you that and thats why musims are not tolerant at all
You are in a conflict. Where is the respect ? You call Kur'an an ugly book. Muslims never insult other religions and their holy books. You say you respect me but you insult my religion.
rock
8 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
So you support USA in Iraq ?
CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!
So you support USA in Iraq ?
rock
8 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
I like good people, muslim or christain. I hate bad people muslim or christain.
This is the difference between us.
But I don't think you are representing the whole Europeans.
How many churches can there be in a city in Europe which has 100.000 population ?
BB, I admire Ahmedinejad and Chavez, because they are against USA imperialism.
Do you support USA in Iraq ?
I like good people, muslim or christain. I hate bad people muslim or christain.
This is the difference between us.
But I don't think you are representing the whole Europeans.
Which question!
How many churches can there be in a city in Europe which has 100.000 population ?
BB, I admire Ahmedinejad and Chavez, because they are against USA imperialism.
Do you support USA in Iraq ?
rock
8 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Can anybody answer my question pls ?
hahaha. Muslims manage The British Telegragh and human rights organisations :)))
How many active churches are there in any city has a population of 100.000 in Europe.
Can anybody answer my question pls ?
It's christian media as well as the "Economist", the british "Telegraph" and human rights organisations!
hahaha. Muslims manage The British Telegragh and human rights organisations :)))
rock
8 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
BB, these are all prejudiced comments from christain media !
Tell what people wants to hear. It is not important whether it is true or not.
I am trying to give some information, but your opinions are fixed !
You believe what you want to believe. Because you hate all muslims.
BB, these are all prejudiced comments from christain media !
Tell what people wants to hear. It is not important whether it is true or not.
I am trying to give some information, but your opinions are fixed !
You believe what you want to believe. Because you hate all muslims.
rock
8 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
The number of active churches in Turkey is 321 at the end of 2006. This number was 273 in 2005. So, 48 new churches were opened to public in one year. The population of christains are approxiametely 100.000. This means 312 person per church. How many active churches are there in any city has a population of 100.000 in Europe. The interesting part of it, although there are only 5.000 protestan in Turkey they have 50 churches and it is increasing day by day.
It is sth impossible. But, I admire Ahmadinejad and Chavez. I believe the president of every independent country has to behave like them.
The number of active churches in Turkey is 321 at the end of 2006. This number was 273 in 2005. So, 48 new churches were opened to public in one year. The population of christains are approxiametely 100.000. This means 312 person per church. How many active churches are there in any city has a population of 100.000 in Europe. The interesting part of it, although there are only 5.000 protestan in Turkey they have 50 churches and it is increasing day by day.
Go build an alliance with ahmadinejad.
It is sth impossible. But, I admire Ahmadinejad and Chavez. I believe the president of every independent country has to behave like them.
rock
6 Jul 2008
History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]
Do you guarantee heaven if I become christain :) LOL!
It is belief ! We all will face the reality when we die !
If believe God is with good people whether they are muslim or christain etc.
Mosques are God's houses like Churches. We surprise christain chauvinism. In Turkey, pork and alcohol is free. I don't eat pork but I like rakı and wine. In Turkey women voting and election rights are given before many of European countries. Woman and man are equal by means of law. What do you mean by women rights ?
Unfortunately you have no idea about Turkey and confuse her with other islamic countries. I will repeat again ''Turkey is secular''. Have you ever visited Turkey ?
There are a lot of church and priests in Turkey. Even more than the Christain public would need. We respect them all. Population of Turkey is 70.000.000 and number of christains are 100.000. I will learn the exact number of churches and post later.
Recently, there had been rare occasions like you have said by fanatics. We don't approve them. Most of the Turks wanted them to be punished.
rock ....you are welcome in europe as a christian :)
convert yourself or leave europe!!!!
convert yourself or leave europe!!!!
Do you guarantee heaven if I become christain :) LOL!
It is belief ! We all will face the reality when we die !
If believe God is with good people whether they are muslim or christain etc.
Mosques in Europe, islamic chauvinism and bossiness undesired.
Pork and alcohol, women rights desired.
Pork and alcohol, women rights desired.
Mosques are God's houses like Churches. We surprise christain chauvinism. In Turkey, pork and alcohol is free. I don't eat pork but I like rakı and wine. In Turkey women voting and election rights are given before many of European countries. Woman and man are equal by means of law. What do you mean by women rights ?
Unfortunately you have no idea about Turkey and confuse her with other islamic countries. I will repeat again ''Turkey is secular''. Have you ever visited Turkey ?
We allow mosques while Turks kill missionaries! And the public voice supports theese killings even. The murderers will get into prison but they will be respected there and have a fine living with ****** and drugs.
There are a lot of church and priests in Turkey. Even more than the Christain public would need. We respect them all. Population of Turkey is 70.000.000 and number of christains are 100.000. I will learn the exact number of churches and post later.
Recently, there had been rare occasions like you have said by fanatics. We don't approve them. Most of the Turks wanted them to be punished.