Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]

Trust me, the other way around happens also. The more if there are ppl having some sort of trouble with gay ppl.
When I am with my gay friends, I make jokes about them, like saying to them when they talk about sth typical: "oh, you guys are such fairies!" or "oh, that is so gay!" :) And they never mind it as they know I accept them fully and completely. Come to think of it, the other day, I was at the birthday party of a girl I know and some of her gay friends were there and one of them was Polish. So there are Polish gays after all :D

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M-G (tiens)

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


I think we should be able to talk about them. But as normal human beings, not as some poor sick individual, which will heal if given the right treatment. I am sure my friends don't mind talking about it. But then again, wouldn't you find it very boring and annoying if you were gay and at every freaking party ppl step up to you and want to talk to you about your sexual orientation? Suppose a gay person comes across you and starts talking the whole godgiven time about the fact that you're straight? I at least would find that a huge nuisance after a while, wouldn't you agree?

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M-G (taboos are there to be broken, long live the brave new and free world)

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


Maybe some ppl, like myself, have a lot of gay friends and they're the nicest ppl one can know. They haven't bothered anybody, but that's not the point. They are my friends and I won't let some bigot with skewed views on the topic insult them when they have done nothing that could pssbly insult them. And besides, it's a blatant insult to ppl who are "different", when it shouldn't matter at all. It's also about freedom and the rejection of anything that discriminates others.

Edit: oh, and I am most definitively not gay. I just don't care if sb else is. It really doesn't bother me.

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M-G (but other ppl may have other reasons why they are offended)

History / Vilamovian language - now that's something interesting [24]

So you see, the Dutch are everywhere :)

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M-G (even in PL!)

Love / The age of consent in Poland is only 15 [147]

Thread attached on merging:
age of consent


I'm not one to wave the moral sword. If the legal age in PL to have sexual relations is 15 and this girl is fifteen, then I see no problem from a legal standpoint.

Other thing is of course the age-difference. You didn't mention his age, but I take it he is much older than she is. If it works out, it's fine with me, but experience tells us that usually those relations don't last long as both ppl are in very different stages of life, especially the younger you get.

For example: the age difference between a 21-year old with a 16-year old is much and much bigger than the difference between a 34-year old and a 40-year old, while both gaps are six years. This is explained by the fact that everybody is pretty much full grown, physically and mentally around their 25th. So if you have a 40-year old, that person is equally full grown mentally and physically than a 15 year old with a 21 year old. The 21 year old is nearing completion of the getting fully grown process, while the 15 year old still has a long way to go.

Another story is the generation gap. A 50 year old could, according to the above rule be very well with a 26 year old, physically and mentally speaking. However, the 50 year old has much more life experience than the 26 year old, so that will collide some time and this is unavoidable. Exceptions do happen, but it's more the rule that it goes wrong. Some say the best difference is about 5 years - after your 25th, that is, others say 3 to 10 years; it's not really clear what works best, guess it mostly depends on compatibility.

So in short, I don't really care if they are a couple :)

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M-G (tiens)

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


You might very well be. You're 26, I seem to remember, right? That means that for the biggest part of your life you grew up in freedom. Must leave its traces :)

But you have a good point there anyway, I have, and Seanus most likely can confirm this, said many times that it just takes a generation (or two) before Poland starts embracing modern ideas and liberal attitudes towards issues like homosexuality. You are a good example of that :)

Edit:


Not entirely true, Seanus, she got sentenced last week. Can't remember how much, but she was. If you're referring to that singer in Germany, she witheld to her sexual partners that she had AIDS or was Seropositive.

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M-G (so, now I've done my kissing off with ZY, can I go home now? You promised I could if I did!)

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


I second that. They just pushed a little too far in this case. But there are other issues underlying, not only their Lesbianism. Also the emancipation of women, conquering a place in society and other issues are integrated in this. Of course it can be annoying when you hear some woman speak in the name of all women, but you have to understand that this is just symbolism, not literally meant that way. And after all, if there is a hiatus in any right that a woman may or may not have, every woman will benefit when this hiatus gets taken away. So in that sense they are right, but indeed, they sometimes push it a bit too far.

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M-G (after all, 8 March is international Women's day - guess who introduced that?)

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


Homosexuality is NOT a choice. If a child doesn't have the constellation to become a homosexual, it won't become one, no matter if it's solely surrounded by gay men. Pls stop fuelling the witch hunt any further. Homosexuality is an accepted orientation and after all, when it comes to absolute figures, society is more harmed by frustrated heterosexual men (rapists, child abusers, troublemakers and so on) than by homosexual men. At least, I have never seen a gay man start a fight. And I know a lot of homosexuals, they're good and decent ppl and will never force their sexuality upon anybody else, which cannot be said of young heterosexual men and their attitude towards girls. Just go and ask any girl in a nightclub how many times she has been harrassed by a guy. Probably more than once during any given night she went out to have some fun with friends. I've seen gay men fighting yes, but only to defend themselves after being attacked by those Great Glorious Heterosexual men who wanted to make a stand in front of their friends by beating up a homo. Well, that was the plan at least; the homosexual man beat the crap out of him :))

I always love it when that happens.

Edit: however, what will happen when a kid is surrounded by gay men is that it will develop a natural tolerance for these ppl. So in that sense it's to be cheered that kids are confronted with this form of orientation in an early stage. Maybe in due time this will eliminate the presence of gay-bashers and other violence towards homosexuals.


I would advise you to do the same. They have never harmed you in any way, you probably don't know any homo, so let them be in peace too.

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M-G (is looking forward to view at least part of the 3 hour film tonight)

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


Will you pls stop writing screaming nonsense like this?


How is that pssbl? Everybody knows that there are no homos in Poland. :)


My my, aren't we a bit nosey today? :)

It's international relations/political/historical material, but I cannot say anything about it because I didn't have a look at it yet. My attention was immediately drawn to this silly thread opened by a known homophobe.


Conveniently forgot, I would say. Anyway, the founders of that "party" cannot claim to have a large following at all, au contraire, they get beaten up regularily and sued the crap out of them.

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M-G (It's time I start making a list)

Life / Any treatment centres for homos in Poland? [455]


If you're referring to the paedophile party, that party has been deemed illegal and is being prosecuted to their thethers. Amsterdam does NOT promote paedophiliae. Don't write such ridiculous nonsense anymore, will ya?

And I do agree with Seanus, this thread is offensive and discriminating towards Homosexuals and limits their freedom, it should therefore be closed.

Btw, Thank you, Seanus for the materials! I will have a look at it later on, after dinner.

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M-G (let's bash the bashers)

UK, Ireland / Britain's youngest mum gave birth at 12 [70]


Isn't that also the name of the town ravaged by vampires in "30 Days of Night"?

Anyway, it may be just me, but I don't think that 12-year old children should have sex. What's wrong with doing normal child's stuff when you're at that age? I mean, friends of ppl I know gave their 12-year old son condoms to take with him to a children's party. I really don't think that's normal...

Unfortunately it's always the same type of ppl to whom this happens. I read a study the other day in the newspaper that said that about 50 per cent of the kids younger than 16 had sex before they even properly had kissed and that it was noticable that this was by far more often the case in lower social classes than with other classes.

And then you see a picture of the mom - somehow they all look the same: fat, kinda ugly girls with flat, greasy hair, face full of pickles; apparently somehow stalled for attention (at that age?) and giving themselves to any guy who blinks as much as an eye at them. I am not moralistic, but I think here lies a task for the parents as I hold them responsible for this skewed behaviour.

And besides all that: who's gonna take care of the baby? The mother obviously can't as she's a kid herself and has no clue yet about responsibility - this baby is going to grow up as yet another no-future and if it's a baby girl, probably get pregnant too before she reaches the tender age of 14.

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M-G (tiens)

Love / In Poland - guys opinion about brazilian girls [21]


It was a 5-year project in which he asked every Polish girl whether they liked Brazilian Bikinis or not. He started it in Spring 2005 and got his results rounded up just now, proudly presenting it to the community on PF: Polish girls don't like Brazilian Bikinis!

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M-G (has spent nearly 3 hrs on the phone)

History / Dutchmen in Polish history ! [17]

Well, everybody has his place in history :)))))

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M-G (but besides, Dutch specialised in Black African Slaves, not in Polish Slaves)

News / When money dies,blame the Poles. [32]


True, that's why they pumped so much money in their respective banks, because otherwise a lot more ppl would get bancrupt.

Wonder when we will get out of the crisis - when the banks are fully state-controlled or when ppl learn how to tame their greed and lust for things they actually can't afford?

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M-G (tiens)

Food / Panga Fish (available in Polish stores); I'll never eat it again. Alternative? [32]


Of course I mean the fresh one. The pickled ones are some Scandinavian invention and I only eat them when there is no raw and fresh available. Like I said, when I buy the ones in the Polish sklep here in Dubs, I was off the oil and the overdo on salt which they pour on those fish and eat them on bread. Best one is still the Dutch one, fresh and on a white bun with raw onions and perhaps a few pickles...Delicious.

I cannot seem to find them here in Dublin, however, last night a friend told me I should have a look at the fishmarket in Smithfield, Dublin 7, which is not too far away from where I live as they seem to sell all sorts of raw fish. Might get lucky there.

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M-G (yearns for a nice raw herring, Dutch style)

Food / Panga Fish (available in Polish stores); I'll never eat it again. Alternative? [32]

What about Herring? Delicious when eaten raw and much healther than Haddock or Cod...It just bursts with Omega 3 and 6 oils.

I go often to a Sklep to buy some of them raw Herrings there. Wash the oil away and it comes close to the Dutch ones. Of course, there is no comparison to the Dutch Herring, but nevertheless, it comes close :)

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M-G (and it's the only one I can find here in Dubs)

UK, Ireland / Too many Poles in UK? [52]


A sticky PC is responsible for 6 grammar errors in one sentence? Hm. Anyway, BNP are a bunch of slimeballs who try to compensate for their own impotence by hating other ppl. You have to do sth to make your lousy life worthwhile, eh?

But in regards to the topic. There are not too many Poles, there are too many ppl. Way too many. It's time for a big bleeding war or a big pandemic to thin the amount of ppl a bit. When you get a lot of ppl, you get nonsense like extreme right-wing groups, fascists and so on.

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M-G (darn those idiots)

Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

The good thing about Irish summers is that you can be sure to catch at least one cold.

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M-G (24th of August and I have to put on a sweater as it's so darn chilly already)

Off-Topic / Übertough Pole with bullet in his head [16]


That was actually a girl from Moskou, who got mugged on the way home. She thought she got away easily until she got home and her parents saw a knife sticking out of her neck. Thiis happened not that long ago, less than a year, I think. It was in the newspapers.

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M-G (or how about that story of a granddad whom doctors discovered he had an old German bullet in his body since WW2 - I forget were it actually was, but it had been there for 50 years or so)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

Yep Polish nobility mixed with Dutch nobility, remnant of the great seafaring nation we once were. They met in Danzig in 1656; his great-grandmother was Agnes, the daugher of Boris Jansz van Bakzeil tot Stuurboord-Kajuit (modern spelling; old spelling: Borisch Janszn van Backseyl tot Stuurboort ende Kajuyt - or Kajuijt depending on North Hollandic spelling or South Hollandic spelling).

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M-G (tiens)

News / Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team [38]


If it's anybody who are discriminated within the EU it's the citizens of the BeNeLux. Paying the most, yet receiving hardly anything in return and being blocked out by the big countries when it comes to making decisions. Nobody else is being discriminated more in the EU than them.

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M-G (no wonder the EU isn't that popular anymore in BeNeLux - off to bed now)

News / Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team [38]

Here's a chart of which country pays the most and who receives the most:

As a country Germany pays the most, followed by the UK and, remarkably, the Netherlands in 3rd place, a country with only a quarter of the British or German population. On the other hand, Greece receives the most, followed by Poland and, also remarkably, Spain.

So per capita the Benelux is the greatest contributor, per country DE, UK and NL are the biggest contributors while HL, PL and ES are the biggest receivers.

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M-G (off to bed)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]

Ah the assistant of the great Dutch historian van Damrak tot Rokin-De Munt.

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M-G (tiens)

News / Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team [38]


If you stop talking nonsense, I will become milder towards you. Go find yourself a Serbian forum.


So what'd you think how big are the odds that given the current situation a Slavic Union of all these poor, unlucky countries will be successful?

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M-G (tiens)

News / Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team [38]


Yes - what would you have? A bunch of countries too poor to scratch their own arses and then they come begging at the EU for money as they won't make it othewise. I think all of those countries are happy where they are right now.

I know it's a free Internet world, but could we pls have to read less of this everlasting glorious nonsense? Would make reading a lot more pleasant. Thank you.


Yeah, let's talk some more of events that happened a couple of hundred years ago, and let's pretend they're relevant for the current situation.


I think the Croats, Macedonians and Slovenes would beg to differ with you on this one.

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M-G (too busy to worry)

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]


And who might you be?

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M-G (tiens)

News / Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team [38]


So, if you have a country with a vast population, but is poor as a church-rat, therefore doesn't pay one cent and receives huge quantities of money, and you have a country with a much smaller population, but rich and paying a tremendous big part of that cake, that smaller country should just shut the hell up and just pay, while the bigger country should decide what's going to happen?

The Lisbon Treaty was indeed partly about that. Now perhaps you understand why NL was so against it? Or at least, it was against the previous form, to which it voted "no"?


I didn't say the Poles were dumb. And it has nothing to do with that whatsoever, however, it can happen that they just couldn't find the right candidates. We don't even know how many candidates the Polish govt put forward.

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M-G (busy)

News / Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team [38]


Then you shouldn't say that it's "commonly known that she did take funds from the Soviets". You should've said "a woman who especially in the Eastern European States of the EU is rumoured to have received funds from the Soviet Union". That would've been more correct a statement.


So you won't mind if you pay 100 Euros to get into a club and get the same treatment as sb who gets in for free? I think it's more than fair that the countries who pay the most get the biggest share. It's also normal.

And as I said before, maybe PL just didn't have any qualified material. It can happen, you know.


Unfortunately a job like that takes a bit more than just knowledge of languages.

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M-G (busy)

News / Anger after Poland left out of EU ambassador team [38]

From the link:


Guess what, those are representatives of the oldest members of the EU. NL is not included either as is Luxemburg. The French always want to be the leader of the EU anway. But then again, this article does not offer a complete overview of who's going to do what.


Which is a correct state of affairs. Besides, to me there are not 15 old members, but 6. The rest is all new if you're either from BE, DE, FR, IT, LUX or NL. Poland is a relatively new member and just has to wait its turn, just like with everything else. The other member states had to do that too, so what makes Poland so special that they can skip the queue?

And besides, maybe PL just didn't have any suitable candidates? Every thought about that?


Well, one can make an issue out of everything.


But it's also one of the newest member, still a NET receiver and you surely cannot expect that the countries who pay a lot are willing to have an equal position as countries who are receivers?


They didn't. Your portrayal of the EU as a bunch of poor sobs, solely depending on Poland's good will is an entire incorrect one. True, Kaczynski said he would wait what the Irish would say about Lisbon, but he signed immediately after that. The only one who showed some guts is the President of the Czech Republik who had it sent to the High Court of Czechia.


From your link:


The line I marked in bold is a brilliant piece of manipulating on your part. It has never been proven that she in any form accepted money nor goods from the Soviets. So this might as well be filed in the drawer under F - Former East Bloc States' Paranoya.


Power game? These countries simply pay the most (well at least BE, NL, DE and SW do), so they have the most rights to be there when the goodies are being given away.


Nope, never and ever. You get too much trouble indoors when you do that. First relations between them have to normalize and neutralize. Then we can start thinking of putting a Polish EU ambassador in Moskou.


Unfair? Care to enlighten on that one?

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M-G (don't you just love when Americans try to pinpoint any "wrongdoings" within the EU, while at the same time they don't even have a clue of what's going on in their own country)

History / WWII in Europe could be also understand as Civil War of Slavic world? [11]

I was born and raised in a Germanic country and I am half Germanic myself. There was never any doubt in this Germanic country, nor in any other Germanic country, about who started WW2. As for WW1 - the Austrians fired the first shots yes, on 29th of July 1914 on Belgrade, but the Balkans wouldn't have been such a powder keg be it not for the preparing work of the Serbs.

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M-G (busy busy busy)