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Paulina   
13 Mar 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]

This whole thread is a giant proof of the Polish sensitivity complex. You are your own worst enemies with this stuff.

Perhaps. But maybe there is a reason for this?
I've heard that there are "Polack jokes" in the US but never cared much about it. It's a country of immigrants and I knew there are probably also jokes about other nationalities.

But reading this thread was unpleasant for me, with all these jokes and some people defending them so strongly.
True, I've always had a "thin skin" in general.
Now even more after two or three years of disscusions with Russians on the internet :)

You write "get over this", but it's easy to say.
You're an American (and probably white, yes? ;)) and I doubt your nation (or, at least the white part of it, except for Jews ;)) ever experienced anything similar to what Poles, and Slavs in general, experienced during the nazi occupation. In the nazi propaganda Slavs were something between a Jew and a human :) They were meant to be slaves and were treated as such. As something worse. So MediaWatch's ranting is of course crazy but there is some truth to it, at least as far as Polish "sensitivity complex" is concerned ;)

But it's not only the nazi.
The Soviet and communist propaganda also made everything Polish before the communist rule in Poland look stupid, wrong. Even in the time of partitions those who partitioned Poland claimed that Poles aren't able to rule their own country and thus somebody has to do this for them :)))

After the collapse of communism it became obvious how much Poland is behind the Western countries (though Poles realised this even before that) - a poor backwater. It didn't add to our self-estime either :)

Generally, in Europe, I think, there is a kind of "West-East thing" (besides a "North-South thing", but maybe "North-South is not as vivid, I don't know). Countries in the West look down upon those East of them. So, let's say, Germany would look down a little bit upon eastern countries, Poland would look a little bit upon probably any country east of Poland, and Russia would look down a little bit upon the Asian republics, the Caucasus and China. And so everybody would be sensitive of what is said west of them ;) Well, except for the Western countries, of course :)

Anyway, maybe someone who tells "Polack jokes" could take this into consideration?
I think Poles after those 20 years lost most of this kind of inferiority complex, but probably not all of it ;) Maybe that's why there are so sensitive.

And why, beelzebub, telling these jokes is so important to you? Is your need of telling them more important for you than the fact that you can hurt somebody by telling them?

It's almost as if you WANT to keep things riled up so you can be the "victim"

Well, that's strange thinking... It looks a little bit as if you were looking for an excuse to tell them :/

Not everybody has such thick skin as you have. And don't have to. People are different and I try to respect that. For example, I don't tell or write certain jokes about Russians because I know that some Russians can find them offensive. I've noticed many Russians are even more sensitive of what is said about them than the Poles. They think people in the West consider them inferior, not even humans o_O It may sound strange but it goes back apparently even to the times of Chekhov (or at least I had such impression while reading one of his short stories - I don't know the title in English, probably "The Daughter of Albion" or something of this kind).

So maybe have more mercy for the Eastern people ;)))))

Ufff, I guess I wrote too much :P Sorry for the mistakes but English is not my native tongue and right now I'm too lasy to look all of this up in the dictionary ;P

Oh, one more thing - someone wrote earlier that Poles can't laugh at themselves. I think anybody who lived in Poland for a while and seen sketches of Polish "kabarety" (I don't know the right English word for it) about Poles and Poland and how Poles laugh at them, knows it's not true :)))
Paulina   
13 Mar 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]

Very nice post Paulina.....heartfelt and intelligent. Thanks for sharing. And you did just fine, dictionary or not. :-)

Thank you, Softsong :)))
Paulina   
13 Mar 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]

And more pity for these creatures.

If this makes you feel better... :)))
Btw, what's your nationality? :)
Paulina   
14 Mar 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]

I think that if MediaWatch feels connection to Poland and Polish people because of his/her roots he/she has right to feel in this way. Even if he's/she's rather odd ;)

There are a lot of Poles and people with Polish roots outside Poland and we feel connected to them. We call them "Polonia":

In Polish:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonia

In English:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonia

I've always heard Arabs are the kings (or sultans?) of conspiracy theories but I wonder if the Polish might actually excel in that arena? LOL

Why do you think so? I doubt Poles (at least in Poland) create any conspiracy theories behind jokes.
I simply wrote how I feel about those jokes. And explained to beelzebub why Poles may be sensitive about them.

I know some Poles who say that they think some of the anti-Polish Bias out there could possible root from an anti-Slavic/East European bias. The Poles being the largest Slavic group in the US made them a target (although it's less today then 30 years ago). At least that's what some say.

Well, I don't know, it's hard for me to tell. I suspect that it's probably more "the white Anglo-Saxon vs. all the rest" ;))) I doubt people in USA know what a "Slav" is ;) Or do they?

Some Russian people think that people in the West consider Slavic people as inferior or something.
But I don't think that's the case :P
I think people in the West probably look down upon all countries East of them - Slavic or non-Slavic. It's the case with all poor and not as developed (in many areas) countries as their own. Another thing is the fact that the Eastern countries were behind the Iron Curtain. So the West and the East have different experience and different problems.

And don't know much about each other as they were divided for 50 years.
I guess for people living in the Western countries everything that lies East of them is a land where dragons live, there's an eternal winter and polar bears walk the streets ;))) In the US probably the more so ;)

Also, in the Eastern countries dominate the Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church. In the West either protestant churches or atheism, and in some countries - Catholic Church.

Remember that Roman Empire reached only Germania (so Romans stopped in the middle of today's Poland, I guess). I'm not a historian but it probably had it's influence. Romans introduced in their colonies Roman law and Latin. In Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia Latin alphabet is used, in Serbia - both Latin and Cyrillic alphabet, but in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria, Russia - only the Cyrillic. The West is a Roman culture, and most of the East - Byzantium culture.

So despite the fall of the Iron Curtain there is a division into the West and the East. Those are different cultures. And some think that this what is different is worse and thus dislike it and mock it. But I think such people are probably in minority on both sides ;)

I notice that even reporting on Slavic countries like Ukraine and Russia, the media reporting is not exactly positive.

Ukraine is struggling, has many problems right now, so it can't be very positive.
And Russia... well... Russia hasn't got good press in Poland either ;) But that's another story.

After Russia didn't do so good in the Olympics recently and it was reported that the Russians were depressed about it, there were some late night people making fun of the Russians. One guy made a "joke", in so many words, that Russia can only do well in the Olympics when "Russia's women athletes look like men". I thought that was tasteless and disrepecful to Russians, especially when in my opinion some of the most talented and prettiest female athletes are the Slavic/Russian iceskaters like Oskana Domina (not to mention Russian female tennis players).

Yes, I agree with you.
Maybe seeing Russian athletes in this way in the US is a remnant of the Cold War era. In the times of communism female athletes from the East Germany (GDR - German Democratic Republic) were famous for taking steroids (and God knows what else ;P) and they indeed looked masculine. Simply in communist states sport was an important propaganda tool and athletes had to win whatever the cost. Even if their health was at stake.

Anyone who makes fun of the looks of Russian women athletes are ignorant of the pretty Russian female athletes like Oskana Domnina

Ahhh, I'm a fan of figure skating :)))
In this free dance Maxim and Oksana skate, among others, to the music of Zbigniew Preisner from the movie "Double Life of Veronique" directed by Krzysztof Kieślowski :)

It's one of my favourite films :)

In my family, we generally have an appreciation for other Slavic groups :)

Well, I try to appreciate all ethnic groups and nations ;)
Paulina   
17 Mar 2010
News / Polish minorities in Bielarus, what's going on? [7]

That's another subject. On one hand, I do think people should be responsible for what they're putting out there on the internet, on the other hand, who would I want to be the guardian of that gate?

I'm not sure if you realise what this means in Belarusian reality? ;): "President Lukashenko said identification and registration of all web users and publications would now be mandatory in an effort to curtail online dissidence and opposition."

msnbc.msn.com/id/34633201/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets

"He told journalists that a new Internet bill, proposed Tuesday, would require the registration and identification of all online publications and of each Web user, including visitors to Internet cafes. Web service providers would have to report this information to police, courts and special services.

Lukashenko has ruled Belarus with an iron fist since 1994, weeding out opposition and dissidents. All television channels and most print media have become state-controlled, and many of the independent newspapers ordered closed have taken refuge in cyberspace.

Last June, Belarus adopted a media bill that allowed the government to close Web sites without warning and imprison journalists for reproducing foreign media reports."
Paulina   
20 Mar 2010
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [147]

As a native Pole have you learnt mainly American or British English?

British English - at high school, at private English school and at the univeristy.

Which do you prefer and why?

Hmm... British sounds better, in my personal opinion :P But American pronunciation is easier for Poles, I think.
I usually pronounce words in a more British way, as I was taught this way. However, I often use American words - it's because there are a lot of American films and TV series on Polish TV and I've learned some English by watching them :)

Which type of native speaker teachers predominate in Poland today?

British, I think. The UK is closer to Poland than USA and so there are more English people here than Americans ;)
Paulina   
20 Mar 2010
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [147]

Movies play a large part but some Poles are really taken by British productions.

That's true - I'm one of those Poles myself :) But there are simply far more American films than British ones on Polish TV ;)
Paulina   
20 Mar 2010
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [147]

What are your favourite British films, Paulina? Some of the lingo might be quite tough as it's localised.

Oh, I don't know - I've seen so many films in my life... ;) I always loved those adaptations of English literature with Emma Thompson, Helena Bonham Carter, Anthony Hopkins, Kenneth Branagh, etc. Emma Thompson is one of my favourite actresses :) I like Monty Python and "The Black Adder" TV series, some comedy films. And "Wallace & Gromit" ;)

And I like Harry Potter, though I'm too old for this :PPP Don't laugh ;)))

Some of the lingo might be quite tough as it's localised.

Yes, that's true... But on Polish TV foreign films are translated so it's no problem ;)
But when I'm watching films without translation I have more problems with understanding British English, than American (probably because of this lack of exposure ;)).

And I guess I don't know much British slang. I remember that when I had some BBC channel I watched "EastEnders" and there a girl was called "bird" (?) and a man: "bloke". I didn't know that before ;) I also tried to watch some TV series about a castle in Scotland and the Scottish pronunciation made it very difficult ;) I had an impression that they spoke with gritted teeth or something ;) But I like those Scottish and Irish accents :P
Paulina   
20 Mar 2010
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [147]

I can't laugh if I don't know what 'too old' means. It's a relative term based on perception ;) ;)

True :) But I'm an adult, not a kid, so I guess I'm too old for films (and books :P) about Harry Potter ;D

Britain has so many accents and dialects, it's incredible. My students are shocked when I imitate a Liverpudlian or Mancunian.

Our English teacher at high school told us once that even English people from different parts of their country have problems with understanding each other. Is that true?

Poland really has nothing by way of comparison.

Yes, Polish language is almost the same throughout Poland. Maybe except for the mountains, Silesia and Kashuby region (but I guess Silesian and Kashubian are often considered as different languages than Polish, and not Polish dialects).

I am Scottish Irish so I don't need to imitate anything :)

Wow, so you're like double cool ;D
:)))
Paulina   
20 Mar 2010
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [147]

Paulina, an adult is 18 also. That's not too old for Harry Potter.

But I'm older than that :)))
Me and two of my friends were reading Harry Potter books when we were studying at the university, but I know even older people who read them. Even my mum have read those books ;D

The 'older' folk that watch it just interpret it differently from kids.

Yes, I like fantasy in general and I like all the stuff that J. K. Rowling put in her books, in this world created by her, the wordplays, etc. It reminds me of J.R.R. Tolkien and him I simply adore :]

Exactly, Silesian is bordering on being its own language, much like Doric in the NE of Scotland.

But this Doric is a dialect of English or Scottish Gaelic?

Double cool? I don't know about that ;) ;) There are ways of finding out :)

What ways? ;)
Paulina   
20 Mar 2010
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [147]

Type in Learning Scottish words to Youtube and you can hear it (kintakintya is the uploader).

OK, thanks :)

You've had plenty of years to develop your imagination ;) ;)

;))) Does our conversation still has something to do with tongue? ;D

I'm quite well into my adult years too ;)

I can see that ;)
Paulina   
21 Mar 2010
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [147]

Off topic maybe, but conversely, how do the Polish native speakers here feel about a foreigner learning the 'Zakopane ł' or 'stage ł' as in the 'dark' Russian variety vs. the standard non-velarized, labial 'ł'?

I've never been to Zakopane and don't know what's this 'Zakopane ł' is :P And I'm not sure what this 'dark' Russian variety means.

Do you mean the old "ł" which you can hear in old Polish films and which is spoken by people from Kresy? It sounds more like "l", yes?
Paulina   
21 Mar 2010
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [147]

Tongue? You mean this ;p or what? ;)

Well, I decided to have a try at some wordplay ;)))
Couldn't help myself ;D

32 is ok :)

:)

My native tongue is not my only tongue :)

So what other tongues have you acquired? :)
Paulina   
21 Mar 2010
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [147]

Well, 'I've started so I'll finish' is a famous line from Mastermind in GB :)

Sounds reasonable :)

Co złego, to nie ja. I like it. It reminds me of this, some classic AmE in a Bronx accent,... quite funny. A song for the mohair berets.

;D
Paulina   
21 Mar 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Why did Hitler kill so many Jew's in Poland?

Because at that time in Poland there was the biggest community of Jews in Europe. In 19th century it was 1/5 of world's Jewish population. So I guess it was easier to bring all the rest of Jews in Europe to Poland than the other way round. And I think there was something about railway routes - it was convenient as Poland was Germany's neighbour or something.
Paulina   
21 Mar 2010
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [147]

anyone from the NY area can see the brooklyn accent is pretty off. i'd say that was the weakest one she did.

I don't know English accents that well, but I've noticed the French accent was also rather weak - she just said some words in French and I didn't hear that typical French "r" ;)
Paulina   
25 Mar 2010
Language / Is the term 'Polak' derogatory?? [254]

Having a slang word for a Pole which origins from the original description of a Pole isn't really that offensive

Well, that depends, really.
For example, a slang word for a Russian in Polish is "Rusek/Ruski". Adjective for anything Russian is "ruski". It of course originates from Russian language in which "ruskij" means "a Russian" or adjective "Russian".

But most Russians usually find it offensive. And often they are right to do so. It sounds even worse if it's about a woman ("Ruska"). Of course, many people in Poland probably got used to this word to such an extent that they don't realise it can be viewed as derogatory. Some russophiles also can use this word but in a positive way, to show affection.

I guess it depends on intenstions.

Another example - a derogatory term for a Chinese man in Polish is "Kitajec". "Kitajec" is a normal, official Russian word for a Chinese :)

So, you have to be careful with words :)

In general, I think, those Poles in Poland who know that Polish people in the US are called Pollacks, wouldn't want to be called this way.

As for German words "Polacke" and "Polacken" (at least in case of a German saying them) I would advise to use them only among Polish friends if this person knows they won't feel offended.

IMHO :)

What is the correct word to call Polish people...????

As far as I know in English language it's "a Pole" (singular) and "Poles/Polish people" (plural) :)
Paulina   
28 Mar 2010
Life / Do Polish people have a temper? [53]

LOL

PolishNutjob: Polish women in particular have been known to display violent, irrational temper tantrums.

Oh, really? :)
Have been known? By whom?
And in comparison to women of which nationality? Do they have more violent temper than Spanish women? Italian women? Russian woman? I believe not :)

PolishNutjob: It is, for the most part, a by-product of frustrated ambition.

Um, what? Elaborate, please :)

PolishNutjob: Overshadowed by the superior stock of females to the east

LOLI asked you before in another thread, but I think you didn't answer my question - what's your nationality? :)

PolishNutjob: and confronted by the "high-quality" pool of available Polish gentlemen,

What? ;D

PolishNutjob: Polish women are explosions waiting to happen. Be careful when in the vicinity of such outbursts.

Oooh, you weakling... :)))

PolishNutjob: This pathology is especially acute among the frustrated 26-38 year old Polish spinsters.

Oh, and why is that? :D

PolishNutjob: In addition to the above-mentioned conditions, Polish spinsters in this demographic category also have to reckon with being also-rans relative to their younger counterparts. This accelerates the frustrated ambition quotient and incites numerous dramatic hissy fits.

And, of course, there's no way that a 26-38 year old "spinster" from any country could have "dramatic hissy fits", be frustrated or something, only Polish women! :)

PolishNutJob, why do you hate Polish women so much? :) I've noticed in your other posts on this forum that you have something against Polish women :) Why is that?
Paulina   
28 Mar 2010
Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]

Partyzant AK: This is my country and my history and I'm not gonna forget what they did to my family.

"Remember" doesn't mean "hate". Hate is a bad, destructive feeling. It will eat you up, eventually. Believe me.
How old are you? Have you met any Germans at all?
Those Germans who did something to your family are either dead or very old.
So do you hate all Germans? Even the young ones?
Paulina   
28 Mar 2010
Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]

Partyzant AK: I'm 22 .

So you're younger than me. Masz jeszcze czas żeby zmądrzeć :)

Partyzant AK: And yes I know some germans.

And? Do you hate them?

Partyzant AK: And I know what I'm talking about, cause propably you have no idea what is happening now in germany.. Nazi parties and all that stuff.

I think I know what you're talking about. I've read some articles. But there were and probably still are neonazis in Poland too :) I never could understand how it's possible :) There even was a neonazi girl at my school :)

As far as I know there's some problem with memory in the Eastern part of Germany. But that's probably a problem of all former communist countries. We have problems with dealing with our past. Look at Russia, for example.

Partyzant AK: We can't forget or we will have another '39

History should be remembered and be a lesson for us all. It won't guarantee us it won't happen again (look at the Balkans, for example) but I agree it's important. But why hate? Do you need hate to remember?

Partyzant AK: Learn more and turn off your TV.

I don't watch much TV, to be honest :) I can make up my mind on my own.
Paulina   
28 Apr 2010
History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]

please refrain from blaming Germans wanting their towns back!

They want them back?
Paulina   
28 Apr 2010
News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Do you consider it's a measure? If so, then measure to what?

Well, is a Mayor of Moscow with his plans to honour Stalin with posters in the city during the 9th of may the same as some anonymous, marginalized neonazi in Berlin...?

The second one is more creepy, for sure, but the first one is more important...
Paulina   
5 May 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]

Yes please. :) It's interesting for me which of my words might be read as "racist" and "anti-polish".

Well...:

the most educated pshek ever

"Pshek" can be used as derogatory term ;)

But I don't think Sasha is anti-polish :)

I didn't know it was only Polish-Lithuanian army that won the Grunvald battle. :))) Something new for me...

Not only, there were also Rusini, Czesi, Mołdawianie, Tatarzy, but I guess Polish-Lithuanian army were the main forces. Those who took part in the battle:

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwa_pod_Grunwaldem#Uczestnicy

I WANT TO SEE THAT "MOVIE"!!!!

Me too :)))
Paulina   
5 May 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]

Pay attention to the date of this post

LOL Right, I didn't notice it ;))) I'm still "new" to this forum and didn't read it much ;)

and the general atmosphere of the discussion with Mac. :) We'd been at odds first time. :))

OK, I can see now that McCoy first wrote "you ruskas".
I just don't like when people use derogatory terms for nationalities, even in the heat of discussion.