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spiritus   
24 Mar 2017
News / Berlin terrorist attack -- Poland's ethnic homogeneity a true blessing [436]

I wouldn't cry if we completely banned unskilled labour arriving from Muslim-majority African countries for instance.

Right-that's it.

I'm going to lie down in a dark room until I feel better. I think I agree with you on something. I hope this feeling passes soon as I don't like it.
spiritus   
24 Mar 2017
News / Berlin terrorist attack -- Poland's ethnic homogeneity a true blessing [436]

Course it did. Haven't you read the memoirs of people in the IRA?

Not the same thing. The acts of terrorism were not motivated by religious belief. See my question below which I fully expect will be sidestepped....

Can any of you show me when the IRA explicitly (or even vaguely) justified their murders as part of their Catholic beliefs ?

spiritus   
24 Mar 2017
News / Berlin terrorist attack -- Poland's ethnic homogeneity a true blessing [436]

I can't decide if I am just genetically engineered to disagree with you or we just cannot agree on anything :)

The racist idiots in Polish society are not a global problem nor do they present a threat to the same degree that Islamic fundamentalists do. If Polish thugs were doing that then I would fully expect the Polish majority to openly condemn them and to make efforts to get their house in order.
spiritus   
24 Mar 2017
News / Berlin terrorist attack -- Poland's ethnic homogeneity a true blessing [436]

The IRA were not real Catholics

As pointed out by Mafketis, you are not in any position to judge whether someone is a real Catholic or not (nor are any of us). Perhaps explain to us all here how "real Catholicism" works. To your mind does a person stop being a real Catholic when they commit a sin ?

it would have been completely wrong to call the IRA's work Catholic terrorism, it is wrong to call the current terrorism Islamic terrorism.

The IRA weren't doing it in the name of God-they were doing it for political reasons-I've explained that before on another thread. Are you saying that every act of terrorism carried out by Al Qaeda and ISIS were not carried out by any muslims ? It's quite an original theory Harry so I will give you that but the reason why a theory isn't shared by millions is usually because the theory is wrong. However, I accept that you don't like the facts to get in the way of a good debate :)

Am I supposed to feel better looking at the victim's grave because they weren't killed in the name of God?

With all due respect Lenka but this is irrelevant. Atch was not making the point that you should be bothered. Atch was making the same point I made that the IRA were motivated by political reasons rather than by religious reasons and THAT is why the comparison Harry makes is not valid

Comparing the two situations is valid not because they commited act of terrorism for the same reason but to show that Catholics are as capable of doing it as Muslims.

Nobody is denying that Catholics are capable of committing acts of terrorism-every creed is capable of it. I respect your right to deny that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism carried out by people who happen to be muslims and who commit these acts by crying out "Praise be to Allah" and are often seen in videos released after their death proclaiming their obedience to Allah and quoting from the Q'ran. I respect your right...but you'd still be wrong.

Can any of you show me when the IRA explicitly (or even vaguely) justified their murders as part of their Catholic beliefs ?

There is plenty of Muslims that live normal lives yet we want to push them into one terrorist lot.

True but if a western country fell under overall muslim leadership (wait a few decades) and non-muslims were told they had to cover up, eat only halal, be banned from Christian worship then I am pretty sure not many of the peaceful majority would shed a tear for us. Being tolerant towards people who are extremely intolerant towards Jews, gays, women, other religions etc perhaps makes you a better person than me but I don't apologise for my pragmatic view on how Islam has "integrated" into western society so far.
spiritus   
24 Mar 2017
News / Berlin terrorist attack -- Poland's ethnic homogeneity a true blessing [436]

Nothing Catholic about murder, as the Vatican's stance on the death penalty shows.(well, we ignore the role of the RCC in some dreadful events)

I'm a little disappointed in your argument this time Delphian (and Harry.....and Jon)

It is possible to be a bad Catholic but a Catholic all the same and your obfuscation this time is painting you into a corner.

Your example about Catholics is like comparing apples and oranges. They are not the same and therefore not relevant to the discussion on this thread. Unlike Catholicism there is no unified school of thought about what a good or bad muslim should be. There is no Islamic equivalent of the Pope and each mosque or madrassa often teaches their own interpretation of the Q'ran.

So back to my original point which really should not have been questioned (but thanks for the walk around the park)......muslims are still muslims even if they commit acts of terrorism that many other muslims believe is against the spirit of Islam. A bad muslim is still a muslim.

I appreciate it's uncomfortable for you guys sometimes as you're trying to peddle your own agenda all the time on the question of Islam and that requires consistency which in turn means you often find yourself having to argue the impossible as in this case.
spiritus   
23 Mar 2017
News / Berlin terrorist attack -- Poland's ethnic homogeneity a true blessing [436]

They are attacks by mad men who claim to be Muslims, just as the terrorist bombings in London in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s were bombings by mad men who claimed to be Catholics.

Nope.

I will say this slowly so you can understand.

They WERE muslim. Someone who claims to be a muslim can actually BE a muslim you know ? The Irish terrorists who "claimed" to be Catholics were actually Catholics. Whether they behaved within the spirit of their respective faiths is very much open to debate but their religion cannot be denied..........as much as you, Delphian and Jon (what's his name) may try.
spiritus   
23 Mar 2017
News / Berlin terrorist attack -- Poland's ethnic homogeneity a true blessing [436]

They are attacks by mad man who claim to be Muslims, just as the last times London needed to deal with the terrorist menace the threat came from mad men who claimed to be Catholic and just as Catholic

Wrong (again).

They are attacks by mad men who ARE Muslim, there is no denying this. Accept this and we can discuss the red herrings that you constantly throw into a debate.

Where's Delphian anyway ?
spiritus   
12 Mar 2017
News / FEMI-FASCISTS MARCH AGAIN IN POLAND [126]

Again you are trying to twist the truth to fit your own bias.

Jon357 has a tendency to make unsubstantiated claims. Surprised he's allowed to get away with it to be honest..............
spiritus   
10 Mar 2017
Life / What items is Poland's market missing? [20]

You said last night that you were in Poland.

No I did not. Why are you trying to pick fights on this forum ??

The OP asked a question-I offered a suggestion. Why refer to something that happened on another thread that bears no relation to this thread ???

Show me the post where I said I was in Poland. I have stated several times I live in the UK. I await your apology.
spiritus   
10 Mar 2017
Life / What items is Poland's market missing? [20]

Lol-your friend is right but before the circus comes to town on your post........

How about greeting cards ? They haven't really taken off in Poland as they have here in the UK.
spiritus   
10 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

Part of that is that they don't want muslims to have equal rights, especially muslim womenWhy are they so prejudiced against muslim women?

Think we may be talking about different things :)

The "holy trinity" is the nickname for my friends, Harry, Delphian and Jon. Three minds in the one body.

Women are considered inferior to men in the muslim community (generally speaking). They don't think they are being prejudiced and the women, to a certain degree, are acquiescent to this cultural suppression of women's rights.

In Saudi Arabia, women are banned from driving because they are women. This type of medieval thinking is one example as to why Islam cannot integrate into western society.
spiritus   
10 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

@mafketis

You're wasting your time. The holy trinity have an agenda they are trying to push onto this forum. However, it is fun proving him/them wrong :)
spiritus   
10 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

With his Polish wife's parents in Poznan.

I keep asking this question from the "holy trinity" to establish whether they have any direct experience of living in a community where muslims form a significant proportion of the population.

It's a relevant question. To be so emphatic about their opinions on immigration and the impact of it and yet to have had no direct experience of it would explain a lot.

I also find it odd that all three of them are jumping over posts en masse within minutes/seconds of each other and then all three stop posting at the same time. Very curious :)

I wonder if there are any examples of Jon, Harry and Delphian disagreeing with each other on this forum............

Anyway, now that I can see what is going on. Let's focus back on the topic.

Poland is not being racist with it's attitude towards some immigrants. It has seen what is happening throughout Europe and doesn't want to see the same thing happen on it's own soil. Of course, some people will call it racist but that doesn't make it so.
spiritus   
9 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

Are you also denying that the phrase "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ?.

That was actually just a "yes" or "no" question Harry my dear boy. Please allow me to repeat it for you. Are you also denying that the phrase "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ?

The phrase marital arts is commonly used in the UK, and elsewhere, doesn't make it any less comically wrong than claiming Poland hasn't had religious courts, just like the UK, for centuries.

If you mean "marital" or "martial" it doesn't really matter as I have no idea what point you are trying to make with this.

Who said that Poland didn't have religious courts ? I'd like to know who made you laugh so much.

You don't live here and haven't been here, how would you know this?

I do live here and I do know. Where do you live again ?
spiritus   
9 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

British legal system.No such thing, not ever had been.

Are you denying that the expression "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ? Interesting.......

Not very irrelevant if you're from Scotland or Northern Ireland, is it?

Irrelevant in terms of the point that Johnny was making. Next time, why not focus on someone's spelling or grammar and have a side debate about that rather than the original point being made ? That'll be fun, huh ?

Just shows how well multiculturalism works

Troll.......

OK now we've all laughed at certain people's ignorance of the United Kingdom,

Are you also denying that the phrase "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ?

There is no unified legal system in Britain but the legal system within Britain is commonly referred to as the British legal system.

Thank you

Read the whole sentence-"There is no unified legal system in Britain but the legal system within Britain is commonly referred to as the British legal system"
spiritus   
9 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

Johnny Reb made the following claim:-

"In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system." It's not an outlandish claim to make and is rooted in fact. Source: telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html

Instead of debating the claim that Johnny made, Delphian chooses to focus on the term "British legal system" thereby choosing to ignore the point that Johnny was making and instead taking him to task and claiming there is no such thing as a British legal system.

Think about it Spiritus, even try google, though anyone who is or claims to be British and thinks such a thing as a 'British legal system' exists now or at any time in the past is probably not quite clever enough to figure out how to do that.

Because the Queen says so. Feel free to educate yourself about the basics

My, looks like our friend here needs to get some basic lessons on British culture, given that it's the most basic of basic facts that there is no such thing as the British legal system.

It really depends how pedantic you all want to be and by the looks of it all three of you appear to be VERY pedantic on focusing on an irrelevant detail when the actual point Johnny made was factually correct.

There is no unified legal system in Britain but the legal system within Britain is commonly referred to as the British legal system.
Source: oxford-royale.co.uk/articles/6-ways-british-legal-system-differs.html
Source: independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/law-the-people-that-the-british-legal-system-likes-to-pretend-do-not-exist-1137156.html
Source: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7232661.stm

I hope this helps to illuminate the holy trinity of forum members who may well be three bodies in one.

Have a good night :)
spiritus   
9 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

There's no such thing as the "British" legal system.

Why not ? Because you proclaim it is so ?

Please elaborate as to why you claim there is no such thing as a legal system in Britain..............I'll get the popcorn
spiritus   
9 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

I suppose it depends on WHERE you live Spiritus and on your personal experience.It's a diverse country.

Agreed but if you live in an area where there is high immigration then presumably that makes you more qualified to discuss the merits and issues associated with immigration then someone who thinks they know better than you from watching the news or reading a newspaper.

Everything in life is subjective. If you live on the north pole you're unlikely to find immigration much of a problem. If you live in the leafy avenues of Windsor, St Annes, and hundreds of other places in the UK then you may also wonder what all the fuss is about. However, if you happen to live in the larger conurbations, Leicester, Birmingham, Blackburn, Bolton, London etc then the problems (which are real problems) will hit you in the face.

And let's be clear about this and I'd like to echo Lyzko's comment as he is 100% correct

Asians never really have and those from Third-World Muslim countries seem not to at all, public relations aside.

In other words, muslims are not very successful at integrating into western societies.

It always saddens me to see that a significant chunk of anti-immigrant sentiment comes from areas where immigration has been relatively small

Right. So it saddens you if someone has a negative view of muslim immigration who comes from an area where immigration has been small BUT if someone has a negative view of muslim immigration who comes from an area where immigration is high then you accuse them of "fear and impotent rage". At what point do you consider someone's else counter-opinion ? Only when it falls in line with your own ideas ?
spiritus   
8 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

Not all had a vote, and some of those who voted the wrong way did so as a protest.

Well, you quoted the figure of 70% not voting. I assumed you meant 70% of the people who were eligible to vote. British citizens had a right to vote.

things there are for the most part very harmonious - immigration is and (since it is likely to continue) will be a success

No they are not and I live HEREin the UK and not THERE in the UK (like yourself). You probably believe there are no issues with immigration in Germany, Belgium and Sweden too no doubt.

Not sure what your definition of "harmonious" is and not quite sure I really care to know your interpretation.
spiritus   
8 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

most people voted to leave the EU ?70% of the population did not.

How tiresome.

Out of the people who voted in the referendum, more people voted to leave than to remain. The people who didn't vote didn't care enough to get off their backsides and cast a vote.

For you to claim that immigration "In Britain it has worked very well. No ifs, no buts. The only danger is those who are afraid of everything" is ludicrous and damages your credibility.
spiritus   
8 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

In Britain it has worked very well. No ifs, no buts. The only danger is those who are afraid of everything

What on earth are you talking about ?

Ask most people on the street in the UK and they will tell you that immigration is their biggest concern. Why do you think most people voted to leave the EU ?

Start talking sense instead of making unfounded claims just to fill your daily post quota
spiritus   
7 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

Plenty of that in the U.K. Don't believe fake news.

It's not fake news. It's fact.

Damn Trump for coining an expression that anyone can use if they choose not to believe the facts.
spiritus   
7 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

London

We can argue over the fine details but I do live in England and I would not describe England or urban areas within England as melting pots.

The term "melting pot" suggests integration and that is certainly NOT happening over here with the muslim community, if anything, they are becoming more divisive. Bieganski wrote a list of "race riots" which I admit are not exactly relevant but his overall point is correct.
spiritus   
6 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

@rozumiemnic

Once again, I am not denying that FGM exists within Christian communities but that does not detract from the fact that it is more prevalent in muslim women than in Christian women.

Source: who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/fgm/fgm_prevalence_egypt/en

"The girls in this study were asked for reasons to support the practice of genital cutting. Their answers included that FGM is an important religious tradition (33.4%), the practice helps ensure cleanliness for girls (18.9%), it is a cultural and social tradition (17.9%), and it promotes chastity (15.9%)."

there is evidence to support the claim that it is predominantly a religious motivation....
spiritus   
6 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

Domestic violence in Poland is high, with 1 in 5 regarding it as acceptable and 1 in 6 reporting that they were victims of it.

I really think we have come to a stage in our "relationship" Delpian where you should start quoting relevant sources for every claim you make.

Anyway......you are deflecting the argument and you and Harry (are you some part of a tag team ?) seem to take it in turns to employ the same strategy i.e. a person makes an observation about the Islamic culture/community and you (or Harry) then argue that because the same problem exists in Poland then the observation that certain traits/customs/tolerances within the muslim community have to be false.

I am not denying that domestic abuse exists in Poland. It exists in every country all over the world so it's not a point worth making but to suggest that domestic abuse in Poland is as prevalent in their society as it is in Islamic society is just false.

Look at religion in Egypt - 10% Christian, yet studies showed that 95-97% of women have suffered FGM there.

Wrong again <sighs>. First of all-please name your source. Mods-please can this be a requirement going forward if baseless claims are being made on this forum ?

In 2008 UNICEF estimated that 91% of married Egyptian women aged between 15 and 49 had been mutilated. Source: theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/06/female-genital-mutilation-egypt

Female genital mutilation is a practise common amongst muslim women. The "10% Christian women" (a figure that you mentioned) would be unlikely to have had FGM performed on them because they are..........Christian.
spiritus   
6 Mar 2017
Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

We all know how the Polish village mentality works, with beaten wives often expected to accept that they were in fact to blame for the beating.

Source ? Second request.....