History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

I can only say I don't understand the idea standing behind expressions of regret for deeds or alleged deeds forwarded in the name of forefathers by their progeny.

It strikes me as a cultural transplant onto the European culture or as a way of extending cultural domination by addressees of such an apology on people who apologised.

"You think people should apologise for issues that happened over 1500 years ago"

What would you say about limitation period extended to 1900 years? Fortunately it is well known it has been a case of a magnanimous act of an empire rather than 1900 years of the limitation period. The same act I might add that had been badly repaid by the recipient. Would it be fair to call such a wretch an ungrateful devisee, an ingrate beneficiary?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


You are being a little ambiguous in your answer. Obviously one can talk about past in term of historical facts rather than guilt and pride but at the same time there is a little room for feelings. A person as the cliché goes is not a lone island. People are part of a community whether they like it or not and as such are subject to the same elements, trials and experiences as a group they belong to. National or ethnical identity thrive and feeds on such a connection and by the same token such a sense of connection might be extended to past generations. Just because there is room for corruption of those emotional attachments it doesn't mean there is a need to condemn them as whole.


Do you claim exclusive rights over your house or a land? Do you feel particularly attached to the idea your money are your money?


It goes without saying. However the beauty lies in the eye of the beholder and the same can be said about one's intent. I think it is easy to mistake a reasonable pride one takes over forefathers real achievements with immature boastfulness and a claim to the share of the glory of the people long death.


Why would differentiate between what had happened to them over what had happened to all other people dwelling on a territory who had been murdered robbed or in any way abused by the criminal element of the country over the centuries?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Maybe in a Jewish children free country? Maybe in a country which expelled Jews?


Ownership of a property doesn't give you right to build an exclusive ethnical enclave and claim sovereignty over its territory.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


I concur, by the same token Polish people shouldn't be blamed for what has befallen Jews in the 20th century either.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Would it be possible for you to share with us unworthy mob your thoughts on a subject? Instead of you uttering enigmatic syllables, half words and truckload of patronising attitude.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Let see if I understood correctly your floatation. I would need a hypothetical scenario to illustrate your way of thinking. Two people are squabbling, one pulls a knife, in ensuing struggle one stabs the other. What do we have here a brawl or an anti-Semitic attack?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


I have asked you kindly to show us less attitude and more debating skills, Unless those thoughtless clichés are what pass for your thought process and it is all that you are capable to utter.


Would than be your first step in the investigation you would have carried out in the hypothetical crime? Talking about bias, thank you sir.

"Does that change the fact that members of this ethnic group were also Poles (as in Polish citizens)?"
I understand now. According to you if they are perpetrators of a crime or an atrocity they are Poles but if the same people (according to your definition Poles) are in turn killed by a Pole without (dipole) Jewish background or DNA they would have transformed over night into Jews and automatically into victims of anti-Semitic crime..

I have no more questions Your Honour.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

"Nice of you to show the proper respect"
Your welcome Guv.

" however that isn't much of a question at all, since victims as well as perpetrators can be Poles of whatever heritage.In the post-war years both the groups you mention fell into both the categories you mention..."

Not according to the Patroniser above.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Let me stop you in a mid-air, while you are still peddling your stubby legs like E. Coyote just before falling down into an abyss.

You have used the straw man logical fallacy as nobody claimed that Poles because of faith or/and ethnicity are not responsible for anything that happened during communists time. Fail.


It is a very good question. Would you care to answer it?


knock, knock!! Do you hear this noise, It is me knocking on your door at the base of your ivory tower care to came down and take a look at the real world?

Not every citizen identify with his country, not always nor for everyone ethnicity becomes less important. Well,after two generation or more people convert to Islam and go to fight for Isis. Fail.


Since when pointing out historical facts is forbidden? I'm at lost what you want to say or convey here? Are you even able to make a coherent clear argument based on facts?


Correction, you are running in circles.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


It is a fallacious argument that concludes that an assertion is true because most people believe it. This type of argument is often called bandwagon fallacy. Fail.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Paulina, It is quite obvious that the Other is unable or unwilling to make a logical, clear and coherent argument, a one that would comprehensively express his views. I think he has a very good reason to remain vague, unclear and to talk in riddles, for he feels a certain way about Poles and as you know emotions do not listen to reason and cannot be argued with.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Are you able to back up your claim with any evidence?


You are unable to provide a coherent and logical argument to support your view and the way you feel about some issues. So, instead you resolved to wear dawn everyone who partake in this discussion by repeating yourself numerous times.

As much as I admire your density, sorry tenacity I don't see sense or merit in debating with you. Somebody who is attached so much to his opinion that is unwilling to look beyond his limitations, somebody who is not an open-minded person.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Would you be able to provide evidence that support your claim rather than hitting on about alleged dark deeds that cannot be named? You are a worse gossiper than a woman.

While you are on it would you be able to explain how talking about historical facts is sniping? Are you sniping about dark chapters as an attempt to distract from the facts?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


You still haven't addressed my questions.
Regardless here is another one:
You are very quick to single out or point out the Jewish population in Poland. Wouldn't that make you some kind of a brown shirt racist according to your standards?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Three times lucky. Am I correct in thinking you are implying that the Jews were victims of oppression in Poland?
Are you claiming that Jewish community in Poland had no sense, suffered some kind of a group masochistic syndrome or were plainly stupid?
Would you like to provide evidence to support your claim? If not lay down and relax, a glass of water might help.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

One could argue that there is a noticeable difference in length between "never" and "700 years". Would you be kind enough to tell me which meaning of the word "oppression" you had in mind?

1. the exercise of authority in cruel or unjust manner.
2. the feeling of being heavily burdened by troubles, adverse concisions .....
By the way it didn't escape my attention that you have eluded my question.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


I'm going to check it all out but I have already spotted one logical fallacy and one false assumption.

there:

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


I agree as I have already pointed out this particular logical fallacy.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Seems to me you didn't need much time at all to became patronising and cheeky. If Poles will face something or not it is entirely up to them and they do not need your lecture. Aren't you too big for your shoes?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


I see that asking you to recognize that your rant about history of your mother's family doesn't belong in the thread about Polish Jews is not on. If your modern and forward thinking is making you selfishly cry about forcible resettlement of your family I do not feel need to comment on your self congratulatory fettle. You have no shame, small wonder you are not able to restrain yourself in your need to lecture others on what is and what is not right, prattling away in your patronising and self-centred way.

As for true historical events you can blame Germany and German people for all that befallen your mother,because they started the war that in the end had a less than pleasant consequences for the perpetrators of the numerous crimes against humanity, as it should be.

Would you be able to stick to the topic of the thread and talk about Jews and their allegedly terrible past in Poland instead of whinging about Germans who at the end collectively got what they deserved.

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]


How would know that not being a Pole yourself? You have been told by a Polish native speaker that he can understand Silesian without difficulty. It means Silesian is in fact a dialect of the Polish language. You may feel otherwise but I'm afraid that your feelings do no cut ice with us here after you proved to be a very callus person.

Surely any dialect can be used to promote some political agenda, as it seems to be the case here.

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It a novel to me. I have been sure that Silesian wanted to became a part of Poland by picking up guns and fighting against their German overlords.


Hmm.. occupying Pomerania? Isn't Pomeranian a part of Poland's territory? Don't you mean incorporation. Who was justifying to whom such territorial acquisition? Stalin to Roosevelt or Roosevelt to Stalin? What it has to do with dialects anyways?

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]


Yes it does. There are no universally accepted criteria for distinguishing languages from dialects. However specific language varieties are often called dialects rather than languages. Different circumstances and different geographical areas caused the dialects to develop differently from a shared base language.

Logical fallacy.


I was sure Silesians had been fighting against their Germans overlords in 1920/21 to became Poles.

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Do you even know what a logical fallacy is? the fact Dutch is not a dialect has nothing to do with the fact that Silesian is a dialect. Connection you are trying to make between those two facts is in fact a logical fallacy.


Are not aware of the fact that Silesians organized uprising to join Poland? Consult Wikipedia.

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Jolly, I bore you because you are too stupid to understand what I'm telling you and you don't even know what a logical fallacy is. What more you didn't even bother to check it up. In fact Silesian is a dialect and fact that Chinese, Russian, Dutch and French are not dialects has nothing to do with the fact that Silesian is a dialect. It has nothing to do with my logic but everything to do with reality.

The only one making wild claims without any evidence to back it up is you. Your claim is based solely on your feelings and it is you not I who is demanding like a petulant child you are that all should agree with you.


No, Aufstände in Oberschlesien - ever heard? I guess not.

All right boy I'm done with this thread. Post your reply to your mama.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Jon are you advocating extermination as an acceptable solution as long as it pertain to politicians? It is a slippery path.

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]

What all this chattering has to do with the fact that Silesians is a dialect? By the way I just noticed a topic of the thread. It is clear that Silesians are not German or Germanic people.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]


It does make sense, it made you rant for half a page.

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A final report without evidence doesn't make sense.

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]

Jolly what Wikipedia says:

"There is no consensus on whether Silesian is a separate language or a somewhat divergent dialect of Polish.The issue is largely unanswerable based on linguistic criteria, due to the existence of a dialect continuum between Polish and Czech formed by the Silesian and Lach varieties. The issue of whether language forms like Silesian and Lach represent minority languages in their own right is generally quite contentious in Europe due to the increased linguistic and political rights generally enjoyed by speakers of recognized minority languages, and Silesian is no exception"

I don't understand what it has to do with the fact that Silesian people are not Germanic.

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There is not Silesian in writing because until recently there were no a Silesian dialect but in fact there are Silesian dialects a fact you apparently know nothing about.

However I really fail to see the connection between your feelings about Silesian and a fact that Silesians are not Germanic people.