News / Polish President Lech Kaczynski and gov officials die in a plane crash in Russia [686]

Poland to reveal black box details from crash


themoscowtimes.com/news/article/poland-to-reveal-black-box- details/404034.html

Animation recreating last moments of Tu-154 flight's approach to Smolensk airport:

Detailed wideosymulacja last presidential Tupolev flight that crashed at the airport in Smolensk on Saturday morning. The aircraft landed in poor weather conditions. Killed 96 people , including the presidential couple , ministers , MPs , church dignitaries , generals.

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Are you not aware that U.S. Patriot missiles to be deployed in Poland within weeks??? The missile defence shield was simply amended, not withdrawn.

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No motive, you say?

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Little more than a manipulative ploy from the masters of propaganda to placate Poland and deflect attention from the fact that the investigation is being stalled and Poland still has not received the black boxes and, from all accounts, will not receive them in the forseeable near future.

Genius. So long as there are naive fools (AKA "cielęta") to eat it all up.

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Seanus:

So, the fact that Polish investigators have only had limited access to the evidence, all under Russian "supervision", and that Poland is still not in possession of the black boxes, is completely irrelevant? Were you aware that Polish authorites were only informed this previous week, by Russian investigators, of a fourth black box? Ever heard of "throw the dog a bone"? This would would well-describe this latest maneuvre.

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There are several reports that an NDB transmitter was located at a distance of 6 km from the runway, instead of the standard 4 km. Would that have anything to do with it, if the pilot was not aware? Or me big stupid again?

The remains of the presidential Tupolev

Beacons at Severny airport are arranged abnormally . Is it confused the pilot of the Tu- 154 ?

- Distribution of guiding beacon in front of the runway at Smolensk is a custom . If the pilot did not know , it could be the cause of the disaster - says, " Romans " were military pilot from Smolensk . He argues that the system of beacon NDB is the only guide system on Severny airport .

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Hey, I didn't make this up... Did you actually read the articles? Both a military pilot and a flight instructor are quoted. What "theory"?

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Skysoulmate:
Yep, it does--thanks. I was wondering if you've heard this, and what you make of it:

I know it's only a 24 second excerpt, but I'd be interested to hear your take on it.

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Goodwill? Need I remind anyone of the Kursk? If Russia can stand by and do nothing for their own, while a British ship was stationed and ready to assist, certainly a hundred or so Polaks were no skin off its ass. Really, now, let's not forget the true character of this government...

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Before we get all misty-eyed and sentimental over this latest mockery, here's a reminder of what a "friend" Putin's Russia has been for Poland, for those with short-term memory loss: telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/6480227/Russia-simulates-nuclear-attack-on-Poland.html

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And what "reality" would that be? That Russia has always been and, by all appearances, still is and will continue to be in the forseeable future, as long as Putin holds power, a two-faced, cunning, treacherous neighbour? Because, like it or not, THAT is the truth.


Right on, finally a comment reflecting an astute grasp of the issue.

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Where, oh, where do you get your information from? The plane was only 20 years old, BUT had recently (in December, in fact) undergone work in Russia involving navigation and electronics, among other things, AND only had 130 flight hours on it since the work was completed. Please, the bumper party's calling...

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Right on, that's exactly what they were built for. But there's too many morons who would spew BS as it suits them.

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1jola:
And they only released that to deflect from the investigation and divert attention from the fact that Poland has squat as far as the black boxes go. The sheep are so easily led...

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Their flying on one plane isn't what caused the crash.

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Perhaps that comment is more applicable to your Prime Minister. Please explain the strong-arm tactic with Georgia and the simulated invasion of Poland in September of last year (on the 70th anniversary of the German invasion of Poland). Or is Putin just the type of guy who likes to provoke? With that comment, it can well be argued you're describing your own government to a T.

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Look to the future? Funny that, coming from someone whose own government lives in the past and openly worships Stalin. Let's not be hypocritical. As for Georgia, how the he'll do you justify Russian tanks rolling in because of a little skirmish they had with one of their own regions, on their own territory. And you still haven't addresses the simulated Polish invasion.

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Russia likes to twist history to suit its over-inflated ego. The truth of the matter is, Russia is just a big sh*t-disturbing bully.

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And the silence on the simulated invasion of Poland is deafening here. Russia has an unstable psychopath for a Prime Minister, with another psychopath, Stalin, as his hero. Which is why the circumstances surrounding recent events emit such a foul odor.

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His praising? It certainly goes well beyond that.
themoscowtimes.com/news/article/stalin-billboards-for-victory-day/400091.html

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An objective, expert examination of the plane's remnants would have been a good start, which is probably too late, as Russia has had plenty of time to cover its tracks.

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I know it's cancelled, but the decision for such to begin with certainly says a lot about the Communist mentality pervasive in your country's government.

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Of course not, we like to keep our rose-colored glasses on.

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Well, not all governments, but certainly Russia would be one of them. Poland is wedged in a tough spot.

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That is such BS. It's alive and thriving.

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Talking about the government--keep up.

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Yep, that's precisely why it grabbed my attention. That visibility seems to be confirmed on another video, if you look closely. It's the one with the boys and their camera. Along with attendees at the time. I have an article somewhere in Polish, quoting an official or a reporter (can't remember) that skies were sunny and blue.


So, I take it you're for misinformation and coverups?


Odd thing is, there was no explosion and the plane itself didn't burn. Only a couple of small fires away from the plane. At least 21 bodies were identified with DNA.

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No, it's not, but it's also not any more principled.

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I'd download that video though just in case. RT has been yanking anything that would raise suspicion, including the original interview with the boys (the one without the commandos standing right behind them).

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More? If The Russian government insists on promoting their so-called "friendship" and "goodwill", how about they start putting their money where their mouth is--otherwise shut up. Posturing doesn't cut it. That's what's expected of any nation that commands respect.

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Russia simulating an invasion on Polish soil last September clearly showed it's full of sh*t concerning misty-eyed "reconciliations". Am I the only one who's up to date on events?


It wasn't Putin, FYI, it was Gorbachev. Does "glasnost" ring a bell?


Gee, I thought Gorby was light years ahead of his time.


Ummm, possibly sucking up to get a landmark gas deal signed?