History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]

I have a brother in law that is a Turkish German. Born and rasied in Germany but views himself as Turk first.

I visited Turkey for the first time in 2006 and loved it. Very passionate people with A LOT of pride that kind of have to take a back seat to Greeks in hitorical terms atleast. For example in American history classes you are drilled with Greek culture but are taught nearly nothing of Turks, which is odd since they are neighbors and at times are nearly identical. Overall I think they hold the same exact qualities that Poles do. Very similar in my opinion.

But it does take a little getting use to. Poles for the most part are reserved and try to be very respectable/quiet. Turks on the other hand, are very loud and open people....that is in their blood. While it might not mix at first the combo of Turks and Germans is even more odd in my opinion. Seeing first hand how the cultures interacted in Germany was funny at times. Turks being the loud and out going group while the Germans are very quiet and in a shell at times.

I think Poles and Turks are very similar in many ways for better and worse.

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]

I would say Turks are the most out going/loud with Germans being on the extreme and Poles somewhere in the middle. Poles just have to open up and get the Vodka flowing and they are nearly just like Turks I'd say.

It has to do with the whole, we've been in the middle of Russia/Germany throughout our history and the Turks being over shadowed by Greeks and Italians to a lesser extent that I was trying to get at.

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]


Well obviously politics is a reason why you don't learn much about Turks in American history books. For the most part the history books in Grade School are pretty pathetic in America as a whole....

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]


I haven't encountered as many Greeks as Turks but no I wouldn't say Greeks/Poles are as similar in character.

How would you say the two compare?

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]


I'd say in terms of national pride and holding a resentment towards your neighbors - Poles/Turks are similiar. Plus when the hard booze starts flowing....

Greeks/Turks are simliar because they are neighbors, much like you would say Poles/Russians or Germans are smiliar but you wouldn't say Germans and Russians are similiar.

I dunno, it's a difficult question, but overall I'd say I have a lot of respect for Turks and think they mean well. I know there is a huge percentage of them in Germany and when that happens obviously your gonna encounter the worse that they have to offer at the same time. Kebab with sourkraut was very odd to me .....

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]

Interesting man

Life / Polish and Czechs [191]


While a few bad apples don't represent the whole bunch, I personally have never responded negatively to being asked if I'm Russian, Czech, from Ukraine or whatever judging by my long last name. I have respect for them but I'm a Pole through and through


Great post all around I'd say. Hits on all the stereotypes which is basically what this thread is aiming at.

Speaking to my family and parents, they said Czech's view Poles as too hot tempered, acting too quickly on emotion.
While they view Czech has more eager to calculate and let the dominoes fall before making a decision. Not the first to act but then again not taking the risk of getting burned. They say they would rather have Poland re act in the same way as Czech politically in the past and even in some manners today and if they had they would be better off economically, instead of being the first to jump in the fire and fight, Czech sat back and waited to see what would happen before making choices. Wiser decisions

Life / Why there is always around a horrible smell of sweat in Poland [188]

I don't think it's the lack of showering.....it's the lack of deodorants.......

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]

It's the RIGHT WING that feels betrayed. The shield was always only backed by 50% of the population and the article I read today stated that the publics backing was decreased since then, with only 29% in favor of it.

It was a STUPID idea from the start and personally I'm very glad that it's been scratched. Poland needs to improve relations with their neighbors. As much as America likes to claim they care about Poland they do not. I've lived in America for 21 years now and can tell you first hand it's a one sided relationship. For example I had a relative that wanted to move here but there are specific quotas set on how many Poles can immigrate, on the other hand other European countries such as Czech for example do not have the same restrictions. And considering all that Poland has done for America "Poland was one of the first eastern European nations to join NATO. It opted to buy American instead of European fighter plans for its airforce in 2003 and rallied to the support of Washington during the Iraq war."

Poland has a ******** government at the moment (too right wing IMO) and this crying out that they've been betrayed is stupid. It was a stupid idea from the start and all my relatives over in Poland were against the shield idea from the start. Yes this takes some leverage away from Poland when it comes to it's dealing with neighboring countries because they no longer have America in their corner but if you didn't see this coming your a fool. Personally I'm ashamed to see stuff like "we were betrayed". I look over at the Czechs and see how they quietly sit around and wait for all the dust to settle and then get involved and wish we were more like that. Czech have always been followers and yet look at what leading has done for Poland....not much. We need to improve our relations with neighboring nations and elect a more "liberal" government. The right wing/Catholic Orthodox (even though i am Catholic) is ********. Western Europe is angered at our dealings with the US and don't have a favorable view of Poland.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]


I mean what has America ever done for Poland? They didn't convince Churchill not to hand us over to the Russians after WWII and for all sakes and purposes they use Poland as a political pawn against Russia. Poland foolishly took Americas word and ran with it angering the rest of Europe. America has major financial problems at the moment and their military is strapped in two wars - so what kind of credibility does America even have right now against a Russia even if Russia did something against Poland? They don't, basically all were doing is angering our neighbors for the sake of bragging we have a buddy half way across the globe.

Let me put it this way, show me an example of America helping another country just for the sake of it. They don't, there is always a bottom line for America and if it doesn't add up they won't become involved or back you. So there is no point of being strong allies with them because they will help you either way - if it will benefit them somehow.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]

As for WHY Poland is saying they feel betrayed is because they sent troops to Iraq on a promise that this shield would be put up and Polands government found out about the new revaluation on Czech tv. Obama didn't pick up a phone and say this is what we've decided. Although no more shield is good, the way that Poland found out and how the deal was broken (although Obama is not Bush) they indeed were betrayed. Obama should have called and told them straight up.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]

Russia doesn't like it because America is (once again) intruding in their backyard. Just like with the Georgia fiasco last year. Remember how America was going ape **** over the Cuban Missile Crises or the rumbling your hearing because Russia and Venezuela are buddies.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]

Dropping the shield is better for Poland, that's not the point. It was the handling of it - they made a promise and Poland did their part of the deal. I fully understand Obama coming in and changing what policy Bush put in place but do it professionally. Poland found out from Czech tv not from a phone call.....that's b.s

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]


So because I live here I'm supposed to stand behind every b.s political/foreign decision the President makes? I thought that was the point of freedom of speech and so on....

I voted for Obama and I have ALWAYS been opposed to the shield being put in Poland so I'm happy. How do I run my mouth alot? Please link me to anything untrue I've posted. You sound like someone that voted for the re election of Bush.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]

US doesn't help anybody just like every other nation in this world doesn't. You really think America is running some kind of soup kitchen? Every political decision America makes has a gain between the lines and a bottom line. If you disagree then please tell me why were not in Africa helping them out? Because there is no financial or political gain there.

While I'm sure there are bad apples of Poles coming over and taking taking it is far from the norm. You need money to purchase a ticket to fly from Poland to the United States and don't confuse European immigrants with those from third world countries, most if not all the immigrants from Europe have superior educations than your regular American.

That's not the point anyway. America would be NOWHERE near the power it is today if not for the dirt cheap labor they benefited from years ago. Your gripe is with Mexicans and living in San Diego I see it first hand. You can't compare people walking across the border with nothing in their pockets to European immigrants who purchased a ticket and flew over here with European educations.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]


What does college have to do with this discussion, your regular American doesn't attend college. Let me put it this way, you don't graduate high school in Europe without the ability to read like you do in America. Your proof is right there.


This country would fall apart without immigrants, just look at how foreign students are dominating college institutions. America NEEDS educated immigrants to keep coming because the general public in America is un educated. The alarming part is the trend of European immigrants returning to their native countries (those that still even immigrant here in the first place) and leaving America, with nothing more than poorly educated Americans and South American/Asian immigrants.

If I were in Poland today I would study and find work in Western Europe, there is no longer a point in immigrating to America.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]

UPDATE:

Russia abandons plans to deploy missiles near Poland


Great news all around, except for the Iranians. Obama really hasn't gotten enough credit when it comes to foreign policy

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]


Of course they do, they would be silly not to. You hold onto all your cards just in case.

As for if Poland should live in fear - I don't think there is any possibility Poland will be attacked in the near future (30 years). Every nation is suffering economically, even if Russia were to conquer Poland, how would they be able to maintain Poland....they can't. There would be no point.

And anyway, as messed up as it may sound Poland's role as "the bullied" living in between Russia/Germany has now been taken by the Lativa's, Lithuania's and of course Georgia ect.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]


It's foolish to think Russia is all of a sudden gonna put their arms down while America still holds onto theirs. I am a liberal but unlike my parents who are European Liberals, I recognize not the NEED for military but I understand how you use it for your advantage. I'm not gonna pretend like we live in a Utopia. Maybe as a Pole I should always be for the little guy but I at times resent how Poland always did what was politically correct. What did offering religious and culture freedom to others give Poland - nothing. The world has a very "bullied" view of Poland and maybe if we had done our own bullying in the past it wouldn't be like this.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]


Very good points. I agree Poland should "stop trying to support them whenever they holler". We should be better at walking the line of American ally but also allies with our European neighbors. Like posted a few posts up, Russia made conditions for oil connections not running through Poland and Europe agreed. You'd like to think Europe would have stood up for us.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]

Poles act on emotion too much. It's in my blood as well, instead of playing both allies for our own improvement we react too quickly to one thing and burn bridges/commit too quickly.

Life / Polish and Czechs [191]

I don't think it would be any different if girl was Czech and guys were Polish. Just the way it is, joking around

News / Polish President Lech Kaczynski and gov officials die in a plane crash in Russia [686]


Looking at the picture of the plane, let's just say it's not Air Force 1 which American leaders fly with. Seems like a decision in saving money. . . .

Travel / Why does everyone seem to hate LOT Polish Airlines? [380]

My main complaint about LOT is the price. Simple as that, just doesn't make sense for me

Love / Are Polish girls open to foreigners? [78]

This is true.

Let's just say being a single white mother with a brown baby & no father in sight is continuing to become a common scene here in America. Now without getting into stereotypes like (Black/brown men are more prone to cheat), 4 eigners point stands: Poland is by large % white. So shouldering the prejudices & differences in the culture is a heavy load to take on.

Now imagine if the marriage/relationship doesn't work out. The chances of her finding a white man willing to take on her brown baby is pretty small. I see these sort of issues in Southern California ALL THE TIME. So here while it is looked down upon....it's done so behind closed doors & peoples backs. In Poland it would be seen as a sign of poor family upbringing & poor character. While in America ''I was young & experimenting''. Girls in America feel like they need to suck every color cock, get fkd in every position & hole while having group sex all before they turn 23 & buy a home with husband & kids. Which is great when you are a 15-24 year old male but after that.....geez

I've lived 24 years in Southern California & this place by and large sickens me. I will not be having/raising children here.

Love / Are Polish girls open to foreigners? [78]

My point being interracial stuff is shoved down our throats here: commercials, advertisements, pop culture, tv shows & movies. I've caught commercials for shows on MTV & I can't believe kids under 15 watch that. It's all interracial sex, homosexuality & drugs. There is a difference between having a homosexual character in the show or interracial couple but jumbling every single outrageous story/possibility into one show that airs to middle & elementary school students is troubling.

So girls grow up in America feeling like if they don't suck a cock before high school & ''sleep with Chris Brown'' then they are missing out or more importantly something lesser.

Love / Are Polish girls open to foreigners? [78]


Whenever I visit Polska i am amazed at all the beautiful light haired, light eyed girls. It's always a pleasant view & one that I want to return permanently and enjoy.

Maybe my experience is too extreme: Southern California (ultra diverse) and Polska (homogeneous). The older I get & more I start thinking about family, neighborhood, culture. The less diversity I want.

Love / My Polish bf cheated on me with a black girl [45]

All these threads (dating, interracial) are missing an obvious point

Dating =/= Fking. There is a distinct difference

Whether a Polish guy/girl is willing to have sex with someone one night-few weeks is completely different than dating: introducing to parents/family & reproducing children

Love / My Polish bf cheated on me with a black girl [45]

Definition of dating has changed

This has nothing to do with Polish. A condom means you can have sex with whoever you want & will never fear it being more than that (a one-night stand). If reproduction was a 50/50 chance during sex, then you would see WAY less inter-racial sex. This from someone that was in a inter racial relationship for many years & in diversity rich Southern California.

Every girl here is ''seeing someone''. The popular notion in America is unless you are married, there is no cheating.

Love / My Polish bf cheated on me with a black girl [45]

America & especially California is all about where you call home. There is wealth & poverty everywhere you just have to live in the right neighborhood