History / Sarmatism in Poland [119]

I've read a portion of this thread and plan to finish it when I have more time

Recently I've been informed that after high resolution Y-DNA genetic testing that I may trace my ancestry from Polish R1a1 to the Sarmatians. My family is from Poland and I've been able to find out some very interesting things, such as possible Polish viking ancestors (with near matches in England) in addition to this new Sarmatian possibilty. Someone before asked if anyone could trace their family back. Well I may be able to.

History / Sarmatism in Poland [119]

I went through the discussion and there are some side issues. But every forum does the same thing about the original subject matter.

My introduction was more on the lines of using genetic genealogy to determine deep ancestry. So far testing through Family Tree DNA has provided me with information regarding my deep ancestry. Y-dna testing may provide any male with insight to their deep ancestry. If you know that you are related to Szlachta from Poland, then it would be good to take a test. However, just having the surname does not necessarily make one noble. People changed their surname in the 1800's to emulate noble names. Mine for instance is referenced in two herbs: Junosza and Korczak, but until I can establish a blood relation, I have no title to either.

However, I can discuss my genetic ancestry and based on near matches on large databases I can infer historical context based on genetic distance. Genetic distance - the changes noted when comparing haplotypes (your genetic roadmap); one can calculate distance to most recent common ancestor. Although I have no real close matches; those with moderate distances are found or originated in Scotland, England, Poland and India. By estimating the distance you can then turn to historical information to look for a reason for the movement of peoples to far off places from their homeland including Polish Vikings and Sarmatians

ftdna.com I recommend joining the Polish Project first to get a discount. go with the highest reslution test that you can afford. You might be surprised what will turn up.

Genealogy / Poland Genealogy Resources [130]

Everyone should at least look at the Polish Genealogical Society of America website pgsa.org They have an annual conference near Chicago in the Fall. Plus there are regional chapters as well. I am a member and its a great organization.

Also check out a new site moikrewni.pl on the bottom of this Polish website you can go to another page called Mapa Nazwisk (a surname mapping search engine) type in your surname, making sure that if diacritical marks are needed then they must be applied. Otherwise use their alphbet on the bottom of that page and search alphabetically. Each surname may have a masculine and feminine version and different possibilities with diacritical marks. but if you have that down, the maps are pretty cool and when you go over each potential location within Poland it provides a call-out of the area that you are over.

Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]

Check out Genghis Khans DNA markers at ftdna.com. Claiming to be a descendent of Genghis Khan is one thing but having similar markers to the ones published is another. Order a test at a minimum of 12 marker Y-DNA test (making sure the same markers are tested) and you'll find out if you are or not.

DNA evidence - Genghis Khan Effect
Zerjal et al [2003] [6] identified a Y-chromosomal lineage present in about 8% of the men in a large region of Asia (about 0.5% of the men in the world). The paper suggests that the pattern of variation within the lineage is consistent with a hypothesis that it originated in Mongolia about 1,000 years ago. Such a spread would be too rapid to have occurred by genetic drift, and must therefore be the result of selection. The authors propose that the lineage is carried by likely male-line descendants of Genghis Khan and his close male relatives, and that it has spread through social selection.

According to Family Tree DNA, Genghis Khan is believed to have belonged to Haplogroup C3.[7]

The 25 Marker Y-DNA Profile of Genghis Khan released by Family Tree DNA is:[7]

DYS number 385a 385b 388 389i 389ii 390 391 392 393 394 426 437 439 447 448 449 454 455 458 459a 459b 464a 464b 464c 464d
Haplotype 12 13 14 13 29 25 10 11 13 16 11 14 10 26 22 27 12 11 18 8 8 11 11 12

Check:/wiki/Descent_from_Genghis_Khan

Robert