News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


Agreed!

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


If so then that wasn't planned that way...


I'm not a fan of a centralist superstate either....a federation is what I would be going for...federations usually work great!

In that regard, what is a federal superstate? A powerful federation? :)

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]

So...you prefer a return to the deutsche Mark as quasi currency of Europe? ;)

You know it was the French who forced the Germans to give up their beloved Mark do you. They are convinced when Germany is forced to share it's economical aka financial power with Europe we would lose our dominating position...

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]

You must mistake him for Crowie...

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]

PS: Iron, what about the many, many Poles who used the free movement of goods and people inside the EU to look for work and settle across Europe? That must be millions by now...

What will you gonna tell them why you want Poland to leave the EU?

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


Well....that's capitalism for you! :)

But at the same time they invest in Poland, build firms and bring jobs to polish workers...putting bread and butter on polish tables!


Now that is just not true! :)
Here are some facts about the EU budget which could be of interest of you:

[url=ec.europa.eu/info/about-european-commission/eu-budget/how-it-works/fact-check_en][/url]

Between other facts:

....The EU's administrative staff is relatively small:

there are around 60,000 EU civil servants and other staff, who serve some 500 million Europeans (and countless others around the world). By comparison, the city of Vienna employs 65,000 people, and the French Finance Ministry has around 140,000 staff.

The EU spends less than 7% of its annual budget on administration. This includes staff salaries and pensions, schools for children of staff members, buildings, etc....


I would find this conclusion more believable if you would use realistic stats and facts....not some dark madhouse distortion. The cooperation between so many so widely different members has so many problems of it's own already you don't need to make up some more! ;)

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


Nun ja...you will find many Germans who are convinced of the contrary. For that much money Germany pumps year after year into the EU (to Poland too in consequence) Germany has not nearly enough influence.

For example that as one of the biggest net payer (Germany) has exactly the same vote as the biggest net beneficiary (Poland). That a tiny country with only a few thousand citizens like...say...Malta has the same vote as big Germany with about 80 Million, making a maltese voter alot more influential than a german voter.

There is no power "granted", since all have the same vote you need to build alliances and secure friends when you want to get a project or personality going into your direction. For that you need to make compromises, be diplomatic...Poland is internationally just not very good at it (right now).

PS: A good actual example will be Christine Lagarde, who is slated to become the next president of the ECB (the European Central Bank), a decision which makes most Germans unhappy but many not so rich southern EU countries rather happy.

As it is that most of the ECB builds on german money Germans would wish for more german influence!

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


That is a very subjective opinion...and that has IMHO alot to do with the imbalanced finances.

East Germany feels the same, as long as we are prepped up with the inner-german "Soli" (an additional "solidarity tax" to rebuild the eastern regions) some Wessis like to hold it against us when we disagree.

The Soli is at it's end and will be phased out soon. But Poland will probably only then start to feel equal to the EU core countries once it starts paying back into the common EU pot, when it's wealthy enough to become a net payer.

That has alot to do with pride and psychology! More than with real facts or being really mistreated and humiliated or treated as second class. Poland has already the same vote, the same rights as everybody else after all...

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]

She just lost the votes of the german Greens....it's doubtful now that she will get enough votes overall...

Life / Place of Living Choice: Poland vs Hungary vs Germany [44]

...means he sleeps well here! :)

History / Why do Polish people hate to be called Eastern European? [120]


Then "East Germany" west of them must be killing.... :)

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

That for example:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_and_religious_composition_of_Austria-Hungary

Germany as a nationstate was very young and hence still insecure what it meant to be a German...for most of our history we had been a mishmash of many tribes, states, principalities and such....at one point over 500.

So the gov took the question who belongs to that new Germany very seriously...that all spoke the same language was a foundation of that. The concept of a Hochdeutsch that was spoken everywhere and used in all schools and official institutions was still not a implicitness. Instead regional dialect were often much stronger.

Only in that light one can understand the forceful implementation of German as main language already in the schools even where Polish was the main language. Germany did it with it's bavarian and frisian kids too...

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]


Germany has never seen itself as a multi-kulti-people, that is slowly changing...but still meets alot of resistance...

But that many different people in its borders also destroyed Austria-Hungary in the end, so it was not only a strength either.

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]


What's not to like! :)

Besides the Germanization I would hate as a Pole too..

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

The big weakness off the nationalists you can count on....unable to work together! ;)

History / Modern myths and legends about communist past in Poland [250]

Very often when you ask socialists that question they will tell you that the whole history of 200 years of failed socialist/communist "experiments" weren't really the kind of socialism they envision.

And of course it was never the socialist ideal that failed...only the people who failed that ideal.

So, the ideal lives on...and they just wait to try anew.

Einstein had a great description for that: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing yet expecting different results"

History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]


Depends on the definition of superpower!

It's still weak and backwards...take away the revenues from their fossils and they will start to struggle to fund their mighty military.
That's the reason they lost the Cold War in the first place.

Putin is a smartie, I give you that....but that is also the reason why I blame him for Russia not leading the way it needs to. He had the support, the power and the time to modernize Russia...to put it on economically sound feet...to end that dependence on their gas and oil. He should know better!

But today Russia looks as corrupt and backwards as before...and he is back to the old games, using conflicts to strengthen his wavering power at home, including blowing the nationalist trumpet, declaring any other opinion as hostile and traiterous, jailing journos and dissenter.

He is a disappointment! No megaton nuclear bomb or the best assault rifle will change that...they lost despite of that 1989 and Russia is losing again.

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]


Maybe they had been Germans all the time! :)

I stay by my opinion...folks in these lands have been so heavily mixed over the centuries we are the same. Scratch a German and you find a Pole and vice versa!

*bows out*

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]


Sounds good to me...

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]


Nah...you can't hold down an unwilling people forever. It was a do or don't situation...I believe the Prussians knew that.

With hindsight there was no way that such a strong developed sense of self, with such a long history, being an Empire once themselves, would just dissolve into another nation just like that. There would be always resistance and a yearning for their own souvereignity again.

I compare that abit with the Ukraine today...

A Pole by himself, purposely immigrating to Germany, is something else but a whole country, against its will. That couldn't end peacefully.

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]


I don't want to go into a pissing contest, foreign occupation sucks every time.

But maybe we can agree that Prussia was not the most successful country of that time for nothing...they brought abit (unwanted I agree) of that to Poland...



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Partition#Economy

Better education plus a gov that supports the economy, the industrialization, agricultural development and you get a better developed region. That's not rocket science.

What I found interesting is that a big part of the actual population was there implanted after the war from the more rural, backwards east polish region and now they vote differently than the people in their former home.

Or maybe there had been more former Prussian-Poles left than thought...

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

Nah...Spikey said that the prussian partition became wealthier and better developed because the Poles fighted the Germans.

And not because of that:

"...From the economic perspective, the territories of the Prussian Partition were the most developed, thanks to the overall policies of the government.[7] The German government supported efficient farming, industry, financial institutions and transport.[7]"....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Partition#Economy

That implies that the Poles in the russian and austro-hungarian partitions enjoyed their life and freedoms instead...THAT is fascinating! :)

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]


So....the russian partition and the austro-hungarian partition was no cause for a reaction?

Please help me to understand...that is fascinating! :)

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

So...does that mean Poles need oppression to be successful? If they are enjoying freedom then they stop working? :)

Very interesting! :)

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

So, you mean the russian and austro-hungarian partitions lacked the Germans? That's why they stayed poorer and less developed because the Russians and Austro-Hungarians weren't as hated as much?

History / Heritage of partitions still present in Poland [107]

So...the ex-german parts of Poland are not only wealthier but the people living there are more not east-polish? :)

I find that astounding, I learned that after the expellations of the Germans the lands in now-west Poland had been re-settled with Poles who where expelled from now-ukrainian lands..meaning ex-east-Poles...

One could think that there wouldn't be such a clear cut difference..

History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]

Okay...a simple question:

Do you think a Poland led by nationalists like Spike would be good for Poland in the long run?

History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]

...."so much suffering", not all of it!

History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]


I think, since nationalism has been responsible for so much suffering in the last century yes, there needs to be a differentiation.

Otherwise you leave it to the lefties who want to do away with any pride in country and people full stop.

History / Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO [116]

He calls himself nationalist...