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Barney   
5 Jul 2013
News / Poland will have a queen again [75]

All children are equal

Quite clearly they are not, some get state money lavished upon them and most don't.

regardless of the adjective with the capital letter

Very poor Jon, I thought you were better than that but I was wrong
Barney   
5 Jul 2013
News / Poland will have a queen again [75]

I didn't say either thing was acceptable or unacceptable, I am opposed to unelected heads of state particularly those who meddle in political matters rather than acting in a dignified manner as a figurehead.

What is unacceptable is the unprovoked xenophobic attack on me for daring to agree with the not inconsiderable section of your country that is republican and believe that all children are born equal.

I have yet to hear the argument for some children being better than others

Ironically the British Nationalists are the only ones who claim they are not nationalist
Barney   
5 Jul 2013
News / Poland will have a queen again [75]

Barney is always happy to lie if there's even the slimmest chance that he'll get away with it and it'll make the English look bad.

You don't consider British courts a source of truth? That's fine with me think what you want.

That was policy was it?

Yes, as demonstrated in a British court.

I hate terrorists, regardless of their colour or creed or nationality.

Of course you do Harry as long as they are not in uniform implementing racist and sectarian laws.

Yes, but they're British and successful and thus Barney has two reasons to hate them.

I don't care where they are from I dont like them because they are unelected and meddle in political life the same reasons I never liked apartheid or Pinochet Anyone would be successful if given millions by the state.
Barney   
5 Jul 2013
News / Poland will have a queen again [75]

Royal Deeside?

Does anyone else get a chance to review and alter bills the exact nature of these alterations made by yer woman and her son remaining a state secret?

If the British like having an unelected head of state that's fine just don't claim that it's democratic.
Barney   
5 Jul 2013
News / Poland will have a queen again [75]

Did you have a point when comparing the British queen to Stalin? Other than trolling I mean.

The British queen like Stalin is unelected, The IRA did cost a lot of money as did the British Army's castration and roasting people alive policy the link being that the people roasted alive were Black Africans asking for democracy, we know how you hate the Black liberation movement. The IRA is only relevant here because I am Irish and British Racists always throw that slur at Irish people when they have no argument.

If you cant defend an undemocratic institution that is guilty of political meddling without attacking the messenger that's fine but not very clever.

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And the contribution made to the British tax purse by the Crown Estate, what about that?

That would become state assets it's very simple Harry

Prince Bernhard was a member of the Belgian royal family,

Prince Andrew is English

For someone claiming to be free of nationality you sure do raise the British Nationalist cause often.
Barney   
5 Jul 2013
News / Poland will have a queen again [75]

But while she has a formal veto, it's also understood that should the Royal Family ever use it

She uses it quite a lot to block bills that she doesnt like and to alter bills that may have an effect on her private income as does her son. It's totally undemocratic but if that is how the British like being governed why not make the political interference public knowledge, the exact details are still secret.

Unlike elected presidents, the royal family cost nothing to elect; in fact they bring in a lot more than they cost.

Of course there is no cost for unelected undemocratic institutions, Stalin cost nothing, and Pinochet cost nothing in terms of electoral expenses.

in fact they bring in a lot more than they cost.

Tourists will still go to England with or without an undemocratic head of state. Elton John or Mark E Smith could do the ambassador for Britain thing. They could do the arms fairs trousering backhanders as well as anyone so long as they held the position of power.

Excellent.

If you like paying for undemocratic institutions its great but why not pay another more frugal family to do the job?

However the main reason is I do not like anyone who is not elected by the people and are put there due to blood right

I tend to agree because their first loyalty is to themselves.
Barney   
5 Jul 2013
News / Poland will have a queen again [75]

I do not think she has much if any political power...

She and others in her family are asked and ask to review legislation, they have a veto.

Secret papers show extent of senior royals' veto over bills
guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/14/secret-papers-royals-veto-bills
Barney   
5 Jul 2013
News / Poland will have a queen again [75]

So would it be exactly like the Queen of England or are there some differences?

The English Queen plays a very political roll, she is not neutral and often influences legislation.

The very idea of monarchy is anti democratic, Poland will not have a queen again.
Barney   
4 Jul 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

The question at this point is if you're capable of accepting any criticism of feminism.

Of course everyone is open to criticism my point is that no concrete arguments have been presented to show that feminism is harmful to society, I'm not going to discuss with youtube videos or imagined quotes nothing to do with "paying closer attention" which almost always means "agree with me".

The point about extended families was a direct counter to your suggestion that the nuclear family has for thousands of years been the ideal and has produced the most stable environment for humans and feminism harms this mythic ideal Its simply not true and indeed It is your personal preference to have the nuclear family model as the ideal there is nothing natural about it

I still dont get what is the objection to women talking about the best way to organise society

You decided not to look at the linked evidence eh?

I did look at the links and supporting links that didn't go to the report cited but to yet another op ed piece. One was written by a lawyer who admitted he was often lost in the regulations which wasnt a very good advertisement for any professional opinion he had.

What did come out was the terrible pubic system in the US.
Barney   
4 Jul 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

That's how it should be but that's not how it is.

All you have demonstrated is that the US has a screwed up public service system cos everyone is screaming about tax dollars and big government.

The articles that you have provided and the supporting links within them don't really tell anyone anything that is not common knowledge ie family courts often secret courts are biased against men.

Within the system that has been established no court can force you to pay for a child that is not yours.

This is a consequence of not questioning the motives of people who claim to be "doing the right thing" just because they play the victim card.

No one has said those things but feel free to argue against them any way.

Would you like to give some reasonable arguments of how feminism damages society? As pointed out above a few exceptional examples and falsely drawn comparisons are all that has been offered plus arguing against imaginary statements.

This is faulty logic. Therefore unjust.

The logic is not faulty, would you like to demonstrate how family courts are not biased against men?

Over the past hundreds and hundreds of years, the nuclear family has produced the most stable and productive family unit known to civilization

It is very much your personal preference, women have traditionally raised children in an extended family with men playing a much reduced roll than that imagined by the supporters of the "traditional family".

It was economic reality that made people live in extended families, the industrial revolution that broke the tradition changing the economics to allow the idea of the nuclear family to emerge. Of course the very wealthy could afford to be the masters of their own houses but the reality is that the huge majority of people for the greatest period of time did not live in nuclear families.

Clever repartees instead of addressing the speicifc issues being raised.

Each point you attempted to make has been addressed, you just tried to create a them and us dichotomy
Barney   
3 Jul 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

This is not about me but about feminism

It's nothing at all to do with feminism you are describing something that doesn't exist in order to pigeon hole the world.

Criticising an individual for that is not ad hominem but instead a valid criticism of circumscribed discussion, a form of "debate" that should be left in the playground.
Barney   
3 Jul 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

There have been a variety of cases with a variety of ways men paid for kids that weren't theirs

No court can force a man to pay for a child that is not his. The man has to accept the child is his, he may have been tricked but if he can prove this he doesn't have to pay and gets a refund of money already paid plus interest.

One can scrabble around for all sorts of exceptional examples and falsely try to draw comparisons but basically its all bollox and as surreal as the invitation to discuss with youtube.

Its well known that family courts are biased against men and that they usually interpret the term "best needs of the child" as best needs of the mother. Using this as a stick to attack feminism is really clutching at straws because there is a lack of any (other) reasonable argument. Imposing your own personal preference of what a family looks like also lacks a reasonable argument as there are always exceptions and qualifiers to any point of view.
Barney   
3 Jul 2013
News / Poland to reject Snowden asylum bid [55]

That is what the US is afraid of.

The man should be granted asylum in Europe for exposing the sanctimonious cant flowing from Washington however the overnight farce of EU countries assisting the rogue actions of the US (not for the first time, c/f the black torture sites) mean that he will not. It's also apparent that Europe's manufactured outrage over the Empire's spying on innocent civilians will change nothing.

We may as well hold a party to say good bye to the curtain manufacturing sector as only people with something to hide need them.
Barney   
22 Jun 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

I love the internet, alpha males have to tell you they are alpha males, they are the best kind of alpha males cos they say so. Another thing about self proclaimed alpha males, they don't have arguments so post videos, the equivalent of pointing and grunting. The prime examples of our species expect you to argue with you tube!
Barney   
22 Jun 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

Of course we are different and joining sports would be just stupid.

Common sense again, the problem that those opposing female emancipation have is that they have no arguments so they trawl up all sorts of nonsense like tennis and firemen. One must go to first principals, do you consider people to be equal within biological norms. If the answer is yes then the dispute centres on how society is organised and if the answer is no then there is no hope.
Barney   
22 Jun 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

You seem a touch emotionally invested in doing your best to get the better of me.

No I'm pointing out that you were talking bollox while trying to be a man.
Barney   
21 Jun 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

You said

Now, then to set this whole thread right, and as is typical, it takes a man to do it.

Then proceeded to tell all that the figures must be wrong because you say they must be wrong, that doesn't exactly make you a tower of logic does it?

You claim to have no emotional attachment to any figures and to "not let facts get in the way" yet you have not produced any facts.

It is not mob activity to point out bollox.
Barney   
21 Jun 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

You likely don't let facts get in the way of emotional outbursts so keep crying about it and see if I care.

That is quite an emotional outburst,

The facts are that you don't like the numbers f stop provided so have "looked into" the methodology used by these agencies to gather and analyse the data, you then decided that they were failing. Perhaps these agencies are failing, perhaps they are not I would like to see your research, is it published?
Barney   
18 Jun 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

full parity where profitable and prestigious seats in parliament, cabinet posts, managerial positions in commerce and industry, the media and academia are concerned, but let them share the less attractive jobs as well.

I'm glad that you support the removal of traditional gender rolls it's a step forward.
Barney   
17 Jun 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

The point here is that there's no reason for men and women to not have the same rights. And that goes for work too.

An injection of common sense is always welcome

Thank you
Barney   
15 Jun 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

That's why I made the point that if feminists want real equality, they should insist that women take on these higher paying but more dangerous professions

Prostitution is legal the nature of the work means that most will be women just as most of the jobs you mentioned suit men, in some women were not allowed to do them. The point that feminists make is that pay and opportunity to advance should be equal.
Barney   
15 Jun 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

This was not a question of resepct but of establishing how representative they were

It's hard to say exactly how representative any group is but people who look at things in a different way are to be respected or at least given a hearing.

I don't like the Church but do recognise how they are important to people and Poland I don't see any point in disrespecting them even when they talk rubbish.

It's the role of academics and opinion formers to put their views out there they are not all opposed to your views.
Barney   
15 Jun 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

when they clamor to become 50 percent of all long-haul truckers; oil rig operators, roofers, welders, bomb disposal technicians; hazmat divers, timber workers...etc......well, you get the point.

Yeah the point is that you can't have it both ways can you name a more dangerous job than prostitute?

The gender rolls created are not exclusively the work of women men had a bit to do with that as well.

Pol3 you want people to respect your views and the Church but respect goes both ways.