Off-Topic / Where are you from? [59]


I wouldn't call it "class" but definitely exclusivity....the belief in the power of a passport is here not as high as it is not able to change your identity that much. If I , for example, would immigrate to Japan I would still be a German, never become a Japanese, japanese ID not withstanding.

But yes, with an USian ID I would probably become a real American...over night....mind boggling but true!

Off-Topic / Where are you from? [59]

It's really a cultural thing I believe....on Twitter there is a turkish German active and quite popular who has done the impossible and became an infidel. As it is impossible to just "leave" Islam....there is no way to do that like you would leave a Church....and it is of course forbidden. But he did it, became an outspoken atheist....outed himself as gay and shows his stone age "brothers" daily the finger.

He is as popular with Germans and westernized Turks as he is hated by religious muslims. That makes him much easier acceptable in Germany than his enemies!

He has decided to go an unbelievably hard, stony and potentially dangerous way but he keeps going nonetheless...

What would Darwin say to that?

Off-Topic / Where are you from? [59]


Not really....it's still hard to accept a headscarf Aishe or an islam-preacher-beard Ali with their Ramadan and Mosque-goings as Germans. Even as they are born here and speak perfekt German....many call them "Pass-Deutsche"...compared to the native "Kartoffeln" or "Almans"....*shrugs*

That is especially striking during the search for jobs and appartements....they have it much harder!

A majority still says in every survey that the Islam doesn't belong to Germany...its really a cultural thing....Poles and other Europeans for example had mostly been fully "germanized" after one generation...

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]


There have been studies about that:

....In the report of October 2018, DFAT further noted, 'Eastern and south eastern Turkey have historically been less developed than other parts of the country, with lower incomes, higher poverty rates, less industry, and less government investment. The Kurdish population is socio-economically diverse: while many are very poor, particularly in rural areas and the south-east, a Kurdish middle class is growing in urban centres, particularly in western Turkey.'22

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/866094/Country_policy_and_information_note_Kurds_Turkey_February_2020.pdf

These regions are culturally closer to the tribal society of Afghanistan...but on the other hand we have in Germany a rising numbers of politicians of kurdish origins, mostly with the LINKE and den GRÜNEN....women even, educated, independent, no headscarf in sight...yes, they are extremely diverse!

I wonder how a statehood would work if they should really achieve their own country sometime in the future...with such diverse realities of life.

History / What do Poles think about Turks? [761]

....not necessarily! Did you ever hear about the "Grey Wolves"?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves_(organization)

They are big in Germany and directly influenced by the hard core nationalists, fascists even at home...even if living in Germany already for the second or third Generation. Erdogan ist known to use them for support. He even uses their salute, the "wolf sign"!



They are at least as bad as some Kurds....

Yes, the turkish diaspora is heavily divided!

Polonia / POLES vs BULGARIANS [160]

Nope!

I remember singing loudly and happily: "Wir fahr'n nach Lotsch" :)

Polonia / POLES vs BULGARIANS [160]

Thank you! :)

I just recognize that "lods" dilemma....heh:)

Polonia / POLES vs BULGARIANS [160]

I hasten to add: "Let's try Polish" :)

News / What is strategic meaning of Poland in Europe and in the world? [59]

Why not France too? And Italy?

Genealogy / Polish equivalent of William [16]

Heh:)

Genealogy / Polish equivalent of William [16]


*likes that name*

News / Israel furious as Poland signs law to limit property claims [200]

I'm not sure what you mean.....the most of that article in that video I could get a glimpse of is of polish nobility forbidding Jews to lease anything....

News / Israel furious as Poland signs law to limit property claims [200]

"Not Found"....hmmm....

News / Israel furious as Poland signs law to limit property claims [200]


That's the first I ever heard of that....do you have a link for that?

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]

You all know what?

We are all survivors here....we can only here talk with each other (and insult each other) because our families somehow made it through!

Okay...the end of the Cold War and the discovery of the Internet might have something to do with that too....but that would mean nothing if our own parents/grandparents hadn't proven to be stronger or smarter or luckier than many others and survived....

*takes helmet and bows out*

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]


...so true!

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]


Are you saying my mother was guilty?

Following that thought one could say the Jews deserved the Holocaust because of what jewish communists and jewish bankers allegedly did.....

Nothing is clear!

And no, it isn't only the scale, it's the INTENT what counts....

News / Heavy fighting. Legia Warszawa brutally attacked in Croatia by pro-German fanatics saluted by local mob ! [49]

Who won?

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]

Why? Iron and me were discussing which mass murder would count as genocide and which not....

Or you are looking for justifications for mass murder....that is a slippery path, it could end in a Holocaust and many people thinking the victims deserved their fate!

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]

I don't believe in Karma at all....

Chancellor Kohl once talked about the "Gnade der späten Geburt"....the "mercy of a late birth"...it has more merit....we were lucky enough not to be born in this time in these places, thats all.

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]

For whom? There were only women and children left...

My grandmother took the "trek" with four little girls, my mother was only 1 year old.....what karma had she to work off? The "wrong" ethnicity?

I told ya, Iron....it's a grey area....the Germans were targeted because they were Germans...many died...it still wasn't a Holocaust!

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]

....there are alot grey areas where things overlap, Iron....then the intention counts, I think.

If the Soviets did go after the polish farmers because they were Poles then it would have been genocide, but then you could call the ethnic cleansing of Germans in the new after-war-borders that too...where to draw the line?

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]

Well....isn't it always that way?

Popular people count more....at least popular in the West, we still rule the news and the social media.

I'm sure there is somewhere in the world a mass murder going on right now...and we will never know...because nobody in the West is truly interested (at least not enough to do more than just shrugging).

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]

....not many people care about these ones....probably because not many people care about Tutsi's, Uighurs or Tigrayans!

But anti-semitism is still alive and well, and many Jew-hater in the West would like to see Israel eradicated....and Israel has been a consequence of the Holocaust....deny the Holocaust and it is much easier to deny Israel it's right to exist and to fight for it's survival ("poor opressed Arabs" and all that).

It is all still connected, the very old Jew-hate and the very new...that's why it is still talked about and discussed in a way the others aren't, it's probably for many people still more actual than the others.

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]

If Katyn would had been a genocide after the official definition the Soviets would had gone for the wives and children of these officers too...just for being related to them, belonging to the same ethnicity, to the same people....

But they were after the "Intelligentsia", to destroy a possible/probable future resistance at the roots with killing the hearts and brains of it. There IS a difference! The common farmer, as long as they pledged their loyalty, had not much to fear from the Soviets....the Jews were never even given that choice!


It was the horrible consequence of medical euthanasia! And that was real hot stuff back then and seriously discussed by scientists...the idea to weed out the sick and the "unfitting" with pills and injections was a much thrown around and talked about idea in this time (also in the US and elsewhere in the modern West)....that's what Hitler build on I think....Auschwitz didn't spring out of the sick brain of one lone deranged maniac, I fear....

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]


Agreed! In Germany they had more than enough "Mitläufer"....on both sides...

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]


Don't! There is no need to...

We Ossis pitied the soviet soldiers stationed in the GDR....Now and then some tried to flee their "barracks" and tried to hide to just get away...

As I grew up we hated our own miserable commie party brigade but not the Soviets....we had no reason...we lived better than them and had way more freedoms than them, and that is saying alot.

But still, to be stationed in East-Germany was coveted by these soldiers, they were seen as an elite...and we had a living standard they could only dream of!

That had most occupation troops together I think, in East- and West Germany...the common soldier-Joe and the common soldier-Ivan...experiencing a tidy country (after everything was cleaned up and rebuild)!

History / The Warsaw Uprising memory. To remember who you are. [180]


Yeah...but only the West....

News / Heavy fighting. Legia Warszawa brutally attacked in Croatia by pro-German fanatics saluted by local mob ! [49]

Aren't Croats also Slavs?

Polonia / Poland, Germany, France, Spain or Greece? [35]


An argument for immigration?