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"National socialism" leaves still a certain taste in many German's palates....

And even if not....voting for the AfD would mean more isolationist policies (EU/NATO etc.), even working against european friends and partners....that way is risky and potentially desastreous for Germany....history waves wildly from the sidelines!!

Most people don't want to risk that....been there done that....didn't work!

"Germany first" and "Germans first" sounds good to people who have nothing left to lose anymore....the "white trash" as Hillary put it so nicely (in earlier time the target group of the LEFT). But most Germans are still to well off, living actually still quite the good life in this Germany....as long as it stays that way the AfD will never gain much.

But they don't really have to. Especially in the immigration policy alone her existence is a big club to beat the government parties over the head with....the stand on immigration and subsequently many of it's policies have hardened since 2015....

The AfD doesn't need to become powerful to have influence!

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German party's have their party program....

afd.de/grundsatzprogramm-englisch/

But again....read it with caution....the AfD is split along national-socialist (nearly leftist strong state only against foreigners) and quite western-liberal lines with as less state intervention (and welfare) as possible.

Which side wins in the end decides the outcome....

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platform?

Yeah....I like discussing german politics too....

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Thing is the AfD changed alot since the foundation....it was founded more or less as a professors party, by academics criticizing Merkel's money policy.

Till now it had several leaders (Bernd Lucke, Frauke Petry) who left already (and started their new projects).....the party continued to change personal and goals....the current election only hid the rift inside the AfD only barely.

So.....it's impossible to say what the AfD would do since I foresee another division first....who knows who gets to lead the leftover.....

I would watch the Höcke-Fraktion....this is the strongest and most radical fraction and has just won Thuringia....he plans a policy in the national socialism direction (Germans first).....which could become in time very successful if he doesn't get verboten (or thrown out) first.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_H%C3%B6cke

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Yeah....well.....thanks but no thanks!

This kind of stupidity will never get you anywhere.....ask BLM and Antifa...(or german radical leftists)...still firmly at the margins of society!


Maybe we Germans as a people are to old for that sh*it?

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Well....that myth is just destroyed by the pandemia....an obedient country would have a much better vaccination-quota! :)

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There is hope though.....the recent election proved it. Germany isn't by nature a leftist country....the more the other parties put the environment on their lists the less reason to vote Green/Red....

The voters are there, there is traditionally a wide "green" streak in the population, the environment is important to many....but please without the red/woke crap the Greens come with as a unit. It is actually impossible to vote for the Environment and not also vote for genderism, women quota, "system change", mass immigrations and what not.

The Greens had truly all the medial support and still they didn't even made it to 15%.....maybe that's the ceiling for green/red, it won't get any better.

If the established parties are smart they could take at least 10% of those also over with real environmental policies without all the leftist/woke ballast....

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You are repeating yourself....it gets boring!

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*cheers Iron*

You are right....

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Na ja...to be honest....they say stuff they think the electorate (we) prefers to hear....maybe we are that stupid!

Maybe its true: "We get the gov we deserve!"

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Isn't that alot like a...erm....monarchy? ;)

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You are a fan? I have read about people who believe democracy has come at its end and should be supplanted with a lottery of citizens like you and me who then get to decide...

I'm not sure with that...I prefer experts on a job...professional politicians are better experts than I could be, I guess....

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....he:) The AfD will build the wall first....to keep the immigrants out West-Germany still invites!

Generally....a strong AfD will challenge the freedoms the german federal system allows....could be interesting when Berlin says and wants something and the AfD Länder say just "Nein"...

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Yes? You said it can happen....but with the party influence as it is I don't see it happen...


....that's why!

That could very well mean that the AfD will take over the whole East in time....becoming THE Ossi party....what then?

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How so.....the inner party system is democratic.....that means more numbers = more votes.....for example the CDU regional association of North Rhine Westfalia is alot more powerful than the whole CDU of East-Germany....they will never allow Ossis to decide anything...the Ossis just don't have a chance to play any role in any West-Party....they don't have the numbers and also not the connections build for decades in the West since WWII!

Maybe Merkel could have done something, but she was so not-Ossi during her whole 16 years....

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How so?

The AfD has become the only german party where the Ossis have the say....

The CDU, the SPD and the GREENS have their most numerous regional associations all in the West....of course....because of the Teilung. That means it are always Wessis who have the say in these parties, who set the topics and decide outcomes...Ossi's don't play a role in these old, grown associations, all democratically understandable.

Laschet or Scholz couldn't care less and Baerbock doesn't even get the naming right during a photo-op.

Whereas the leaders of the AfD also stem from the West but the most numerous regional associations are now all in the East, meaning the Ossis decide now in the AfD.

The only party who could boast the same was the SED-leftover "Die Linke"....and she ist dying now, along with her old voters!

It didn't work very well in the past when Wessis tried to "encourage a healthier political outlook" in the East....

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The GREENS had potential to become the next big peoples party with 25% and more, they had the support of most of the german media....the AfD had not and still has become the next big peoples party in East Germany, supplanting the LEFT and in parts even the CDU and SPD.

Winning and losing is relative it seems....

What is the West going to do with an AfD ruled East? Further ignoring it or further berating it? A party only for Ossis similiar to the Bayern-Party CSU only for Bavaria?

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Right now there are rumours he still didn't even accept the reality of his loss.....the mood is against him, he might not survive much longer....the knifes are out!

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You know....why don't you leave that to the women?

They have half the votes in our countries...there is a reason nationalist/anti-immigrant parties are not very attractive to them, at least not as others. Somehow the raping muslim immigrant is not as seen as such a problem by them. The actual elections in Germany are the proof. Especially the multikulti big cities with lotsa immigrants vote rather left. Find the error!


One of the things that disqualifies them for serious discussions and subsequent election success....

If I were you I would ask myself what it is exactly what stops people from supporting me and voting for me even as I only want to save them all! Why those I want to rescue (women etc.) see me only as dangerous nutters nobody sane wants to be seen with!

Maybe re-evaluating these points would bring you forward....

Start thinking Dirk!

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One picture says more than 1000 words......Habeck (the GREENS second till now) and Lindner (FDP) all smiles.....Baerbock (the GREENS first till now) and Laschet (CDU) frustrated:

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The Russians can't even liberate themselves.....

Interesting that you chose the side of China in that conflict though....I guess you won't get far with it. Like the western commies during the Cold War.....loser!

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Some change at last....

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Not really....normal....some have more to say than others.....now that Baerbock mangled the election her "second" Habeck's star could go up. He is now widely seen as the better choice for the top postings (and is seemingly already best friends with FDP Lindner)...


CDU deserves a few years in the opposition, after 16 years of Merkel the party is burned out to a shell....

To put some faces to the numbers:



Together the GREEN and the FDP have the most votes....more than the CDU or the SPD....if they find an agreement they can choose whom they want to go into coalition talks with, who after successful conclusion will then become Chancellor...

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For enemies of Nordstream the GREENS in the gov would be a better hope though....

energymonitor.ai/tech/networks-grids/why-the-german-greens-want-to-kill-nord-stream-2

SPD is pro Nord Stream:


vorwaerts.de/artikel/spd-nord-stream-2-blockiert-verhindert-fruehen-kohleausstieg

Merkel's CDU was pushing the project....

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Yeah that she did! :)

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Well...split between Greens and FDP would describe it better. But since for months the medial record only played the "green youth" and the "left youth" song it comes at a surprise that 21% of the youth voted neither left nor green...but quite conservative at their first after-Merkel election!


FDP and the GREENS....that's why both have talks with each others first....together they have more votes than the SPD....everything is open right now! The scale could tip either way....

@Bratwurst Boy
Youth? Listening to mainstream media? When they use Tik-Tok, SC or spotify? xD
Absurd

Interesting, future of eastern Europe and which way Germany will go depends on it

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The youth or the FDP??? :)

A tiny party but probably now a "kingmaker".....I'm not sure what Lindner wants, only that he wants to be part of the power as he left the coaltion talks explode 2017 already!

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Interesting observation.....the Greens with all that medial support got barely 14%......the AfD was shunned everywhere and got still nearly 11% and took over Saxony and Thuringia from the CDU....not that much difference!

I would put the Greens and the CDU into the same loser corner!

Surprisingly many youth voted FDP.....that nobody expected....and the Left is dying. The real dying old SED-core voter can't be replenished by some idealistic west youth....their goals are no longer the traditional class war but wokenism!

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The Left won't even take the 5% hurdle...

And the AfD consolidates itself as the Ossi-party....

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The election in failed-state-Berlin was totally chaotic and maybe even fishy.....I wish all these immigrated anarchos would go home and make their chaos there (and vote red there too)!

That's third-world-like-embarassing! 🙄