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Posts by Bobko  

Joined: 13 Mar 2017 / Male ♂
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Threads: Total: 28 / Live: 24 / Archived: 4
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Bobko   
28 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]

Are they all the same?

You are asking me - an atheist - this question? If so - then receive your answer: "YES!".

How do you [explain] fact that statements in the Old testament made distinctly of Jehovah are used in the New Testament for Jesus Christ ?

This is an easy one. The answer is because Christianity is a Jewish sect.
Bobko   
28 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]

Have you read many?

Only what was assigned to me. The person leading discussions was a skeptic, and he imparted the same POV to us, his students. We read a bit from Swedenborg's "sane" days, and then a bit from his "schizophrenia" days. That's all I know.

as far from the cultists of Waco and Jonestown as you can get

How so? In each case we are dealing with a self declared prophet that has a direct line to our Maker?
Bobko   
28 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]

Sometimes I think Swedenborg was right,

About what? If he were around today there'd be new Waco Sieges, and Jonestown Mass Suicides. What could a guy that claimed to visit Heaven and Hell, nightly, teach us?
Bobko   
28 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]

the Pauline believers who were mostly Hellenic Jews like Paul

In other words, the people that saved Christianity from being yet another Jewish sect that disappeared into the ether of history.
Bobko   
28 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]

Is it just me, or is JR a lot more coherent than usual?

Yes, some claim that the idiomatic Greek of this letter is beyound Peter's competence.

I've never seen you write this way. Oh well, no matter. I'm no theologian, but I think Jon is right. Peter did not speak Greek, while Paul did.

My understanding of Peter is that he was sort of a dummy. A loyal, pious, naive dummy. Judas and Paul were the smart ones.
Bobko   
27 Mar 2023
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

I am so stubborn to get an answer from you

I am sorry to keep you waiting! I felt I made a generalist statement which should have encapsulated all of my issues with your line of thinking. I was lazy to provide a point by point response, but now that you have distilled your own position it's an easier task.

So....

1) In general, again, I have no issue with your position as a Polish person. If you recognize that this is an alliance of opportunity with yesterday's butchers - then that is fine in my book.

2) I disagree that Russia is the bigger threat. Old Pawian also seemed to think so. Russia attacking Ukraine has made you paranoid compared to your ten-years-ago self.

3) Old Pawian would understand that Poles protecting Ukraine would make a Russian invasion of Poland MORE likely, rather than less likely.
Bobko   
27 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]

Orthodoxy is so obviously corrupt, greedy, servile towards the state

Ok, I can't do this anymore... I can't defend those a$sholes.

I was trying to stir up trouble, as I do, and thought I found the right thread :)

Fact is, I hate religion as mentioned many times in the past. All religion, except maybe Tengriism. Perhaps the proximate reason is because of how the religious bureaucracy behaves in my country of birth. The Patek Phillipes, S-Klasses, yachts, and palatial mansions is just the peak of the iceberg. You correctly pointed out their servile attitude towards the state. On the one hand, you could think - who can blame them? Peter the Great broke them, and put them under a Synod. Stalin broke them again. Now they're trying to get back on their feet, but they don't know where to start.

Sellers of opium, the lot. Parasites on the body of society. Conmen who exploit the vulnerable.
Bobko   
27 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]

That's the point, it's not up to humans but, up to God

How the hell do you explain things like Vatican 2, then?

The Orthodx Church is THE church because it has barely changed, whereas the Catholics are only a few steps behind their Protestant colleagues in rewriting the book. One of the reasons the Orthodox Church is unchanging is because of its conciliar form of government. Everybody has to agree for a change to be made, and that never happens.

The next reason is because of all the churches listed in the Bible, only one remains in the West and all the others are still Eastern. So if 80% of the churches still follow something, then it must be the other one which is too smart for its own good.

In addition to the above, Tradition anchors the Orthodox faith, passed down by the Fathers, not some Pope.
Bobko   
26 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]

@GefreiterKania

Hahaha! One of them, the one my family happens to belong to, is 200M people strong. Is that Microdox? Your Big Brother Church is of course bigger... but only because it subsumes the planet.
Bobko   
26 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]

Only, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church...

This is what I am reacting to!

The only thing you have going for you is what Jesus happened to say to Peter at some point, in passing.

We have 2,000 years of tradition and everything else.
Bobko   
26 Mar 2023
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

@GefreiterKania

Stalin was too clever by half. He thought he would permanently sow discord between the Poles and Ukrainians by annexing Lvov. Lvov turned out to be a time bomb under the Soviet Union itself. Much more shrewd would have been to give the Carpathians and Lvov to the Poles, and earn eternal alliance of the Ukrainians and Madyars :)
Bobko   
26 Mar 2023
Life / Relation in Poland to Orthodox Christians? [117]

Poland missed a huge opportunity by deciding to be Catholic. One may argue that all the problems Poland has encountered, is because they decided to join the ranks of the Roman schismatics. In this way, Grace was lost.

Any person with a brain understands that through apostolic succession the Orthodox Christian Church is the spiritual successor to the original body of believers in Christ that was composed of the Apostles. This apostolic succession manifests itself through the unbroken succession of its bishops back to the apostles.

Quoting from Orthodox Wiki here:

The unbrokenness of apostolic succession is significant because of Jesus Christ's promise that the "gates of hell" (Matthew 16:18) would not prevail against the Church, and his promise that he himself would be with the apostles to "the end of the age" (Matthew 28:20).

By reading pre-schism Fathers, such as Saint John of Damascus, or Saint Basil, specifically what they wrote about religious rituals - you can see that the Orthodox Church is the only modern church which can claim to still follow those traditions.
Bobko   
26 Mar 2023
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

You are thinking of sb else.

Go and find a thread called "East Europe's Wild Nature - flora and fauna (zoological thread)".

There you may find such pearls as below:

Banderists killed a few dozen thousands people. Polish nationalist cursed soldiers killed a few hundred.
Do you really think the difference in numbers plays a role??

... and more interesting quotes. I understand that this war has made everybody emotional, but we should not forget to use our reason.
Bobko   
26 Mar 2023
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

How have pawian`s views changed?

Are you not a member of the Church of Ukraine? In this past year you have told me I'm an agitator for claiming there are Banderists in Ukraine. When the former UA ambassador to Germany, Melnyk, said Bandera was a fine man and that the Poles had it coming - you didn't believe me until I provided you a link.
Bobko   
26 Mar 2023
History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

70 years ago Ukrainian ultra nationalists started killing Polish population in Wołyń and Eastern Galicia region

Now, as we approach the 80th anniversary of the massacre in Wolyn, it is appropriate to reflect on how things have evolved over the past ten years.

a bullet to the head is quick and comes with war. Being hacked to death comes with hate.....

No, no! This is incorrect. A bullet to the head, or a rocket falling on your apartment, during war, is still most cruel genocide. This is what the Russians do now. Using pitchforks to toss babies shows that the Ukrainians maintained brotherly restraint throughout.

Resettling of Rus people to another area in Poland wasn`t genocide, jon.

Uhmm, excuse me? It is most definitely genocide. If it's children that are being resettled away from a war zone, then it's genocide squared!
Bobko   
24 Mar 2023
Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]

Making moonshine (samogon) is their national sport. Ask Bobco & Co

Mhmm. In cities less and less, but in villages many houses will have their own unique recipes. Some add hard candy, others add jam, some dump straight sugar.
Bobko   
21 Mar 2023
Travel / Hiking and Camping Trails in Poland [51]

Merged:

Camping in Poland



It's all in the title of the thread. How does camping in Poland, work?

Here on the East Coast of the US, I have been camping primarily in three different areas. The Delaware Water Gap (PA), The Adirondacks (NY), and The Catskills (NY). Usually my trips are focused around a river, and involve a kayak or a canoe. The canoe is for carrying the big backpacks, equipment, and the 80L cooler for beer and food. Whoever gets the canoe will be slower, and much more tired than the rest, but it is an important job.

As we go down the river, we look for little brown signs that are nailed to trees facing the river. The signs have a maple leaf and a number on them, indicating a campsite. If there are already kayaks or canoes parked in front of the sign, we continue rowing until we find a site that's not occupied. If we can't find one by sundown, that's when people begin getting nasty (this is why it's important to be on the river by 8:30 AM latest).

At these marked sites, there is typically a fire ring prepared by a ranger (metal or made of rocks), and a nice clearing (ticks are a big problem here). No toilets or water. The sites are free to use. However, if you pay a small amount you can also book campsites online. Those are typically better set up.

The fine for camping "wild" is not large, but if you get a ranger who's in a bad mood, you may be forced to pack your things in the dark, after a long day, and follow the ranger to a preapproved site to rebuild your camp. This is for when camping on public land.

Camping on private land can get you into all sorts of trouble, including getting shot. It's not always clear if you are on public or private land.

So, how does it work in Poland?
Bobko   
21 Mar 2023
History / "Westerner's" most ridiculous beliefs about the time of communism in Poland [73]

For example I'm Irish and my uncle worked in East Germany at the height of the Cold War

That's fascinating! What did he do?

Recently I surprised a Western friend simply by telling him that it was Western and Japanese finance that paid for most of the gas and oil pipelines which the Soviet Union constructed in the 1970s and 1980s.

He was giving me the normal spiel about what a turd Merkel was for buying into "Putin's lies", and I told him - "Bro. Western governments were providing billions of dollars of loans to the USSR at the height of the Cold War in order to secure energy supplies." He didn't believe me at first, but after a quick Google search he almost fell of his chair.

In his head it did not make sense that governments would send billions of dollars to a country which had 15,000 nukes aimed at them.

The world is a complex place.
Bobko   
21 Mar 2023
Off-Topic / Serbia etc. thread 3 [437]

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Bobko   
21 Mar 2023
History / "Westerner's" most ridiculous beliefs about the time of communism in Poland [73]

A most ridiculous Western belief about the time of Communism in Poland, is that Russia controlled daily life there down to the smallest minutiae. In reality, this thread is proof that Poland had an entirely different atmosphere to that which existed in the USSR. On the censorship front, on the emigration front, and so on. It was again totally different if Czechoslovakia is discussed, and different once more if you look at a country like Hungary.

In the Polish poster thread I uploaded a Polish poster for The Terminator with Arnold Schwarzenegger. My Ukrainian girlfriend born in the early 1990s, was surprised that it was possible to see this movie in a theater on the other side of the iron curtain. I was embarrassed for her, since she does not have the excuse of being an ignorant American.

My cousins that are in their 40s all grew up on Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Van Damme movies which they traded around on VHS cassettes.

They even had rip off gaming consoles with rip off video games.


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Bobko   
19 Mar 2023
Life / The Legacy of Polish Poster design [36]

This poster is more badass than the original one. Also, the title: Electroniczny Morderca... amazing!


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Bobko   
17 Mar 2023
Off-Topic / Russian Views On Poland and Vice Versa [414]

incorporating all of the best of the two worlds and inheriting none of the worst

Are you joking? Russia is the one that took the best from both sides of the family.

From the West we learned how to be hypocrites, and from the East we learned how to have a good time while doing it.