Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Yes, those particular lawyers are, not because they were defending him, but because of the manner in which they were doing that and how they were behaving in the courtroom, towards the judge, parents, victims. One of those lawyers is under investigation by Florida Bar for showing a middle finger to the camera at that courtroom.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


YES! THIS!

Yesterday I somehow stumbled upon YouTube videos of courtroom proceedings in the case of Nikolas Cruz who killed 17 people in Parkland high school and I'm still reeling from it. He killed them with legally bought AR-15 rifle. There were so many of those mass shootings in the US that I don't even remember which one was it - whether I watched news coverage about it or not. I've watched those kids that survived, parents of victims, the sickening lawyers of the killer...

Who in THE RIGHT MIND would wish THIS upon Poland???

@PolAm, I was being polite, because I have nothing against you, but you must be detached from reality if you think you can lecture Poles on gun laws. FIX YOUR country first and then lecture us, because you people FAILED your kids. You FAIL your kids every time one of those school shootings happen. You FAIL your fellow citizens every time one of those mass shootings happen in malls, churches, concerts or wherever.

And don't tell me that guns don't kill people, because they clearly do kill them in American schools. And don't tell me that it's because of mental health service crisis in the US, because we have it in Poland too. The difference is though that our kids don't get SHOT DEAD in schools in freaking mass shootings.

At this point I don't care anymore why it came to this insanity in the US, how it got to be so bad, I don't care about your conviction that you have some kind of "God-given right" to bear arms, I don't care about your gun history, I just know that I DON'T WANT THIS in Poland:

youtu.be/YOTX-CCoLtU

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]


How come? During WWII women replaced men in work places, because men were away fighting the war, but when men came back women lost their jobs to men again and men in the US were earning more than ever, apparently:

pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/tupperware-work/

So, what happened? Since when women "had" to start to work?

Milo, I have an impression that some of you guys live in some kind of male La La Land. I'm sure many people (including men) would love not to work and live off money that would be falling from the sky lol, but that's fantasy. Real life can get ugly.

What if husband dumps the stay-at-home wife who never worked in her life? Will she be able to support herself and the kids only from alimonies? What if the ex-husband won't pay the alimonies? Or what if her husband simply dies? What then?

What about her retirement if she never worked?

Also, if women suddenly stopped working who would work as teachers at schools, kindergartens, as nurses, secretaries, hotel maids, cleaning ladies, caregivers, cashiers in Biedronka, hairstylists for women, manicurists, etc? You think that men would be so willing to wipe the asses of old people? And if not, would you expect women to do the jobs that men are unwilling to do and leave all the cool, fun, prestigious and high-paying jobs to men? If that's your take on this then, sorry, but... F U...

There's another problem. How would you feel if you stayed at home with kids and you'd have to ask your spouse for money? Every freaking time you needed something - like a kid asking a parent for pocket money? Would you like that? Of course, couples may resolve this in a less humiliating way - by having a joint account or sth, but in many cases it isn't resolved like that and wives have to ask their husbands for money. This often leads to toxic situations and financial blackmail, or even, as it's called in Polish: "przemoc ekonomiczna", because men use the power they have over their wives in such situation when she has no money of her own:

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Nienawidze-od-20-lat-Ale-za-co-bede-zyc-Przemoc-ekonomiczna-niszczy-po-cichu-8063259.html

And, finally, women are people too. We have interests, passions and talents too. There are women who like to work, because they love what they do. We have the right to work too, not only you.

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]

@PolAmKrakow, stating that women are better equipped to take care of children sounds pretty definitive though - you didn't use "most" then.

But the point I'm trying to make is that you sound like a hypocrite - on one hand you state that women are better equipped to take care of children and on other you complain that mothers are getting kids, the house and alimonies. So, why are you complaining if that's best for the kids?

Of course, there are exceptions - there are some bad mothers out there and if the father is the better option then he should get the kids, the house/flat and the alimonies. I think that's obvious.


Sorry, but I don't know anything about paying alimonies in the US. As far as I understand in Poland there's no fixed amount of money you have to pay - the amount in Poland is decided by the court on case to case basis depending on child's needs and the income and financial abilities of the parent who's paying the alimonies, etc.


Well, that's pretty obvious, if the father is normal and there's no reason to keep him away from the kids. I don't know about the US, but in Poland if the mother doesn't let the father see his kids he can take it to court and then the court puts specified obligations on the mother and if she still doesn't let him see them despite the court order, she will get punished:

krakow-rozwody.pl/co-zrobic-kiedy-matka-utrudnia-kontakty-z-dzieckiem/

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]

Btw, my neighbour divorced a few years ago and went back to live with his mother (they live upstairs, above my flat) and the guy's son stayed with him, not with the mother. I don't know why. Maybe because the mother went to live in the UK and the boy was already a teen and had to finish his education in Poland. I feel sorry for the kid though, because his father seems to be an as*hole - walls are thin here and I could hear what he was yelling to his son. I hope the mother is better than his father at least...

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]

@PolAmKrakow, but you gave a definitive answer yourself - according to you women are better equipped to take care of children and you stated that in most cases they should get primary custody.


But you just wrote the same thing that I did lol Does that make you a "leftist feminist"? :)


How do women "profit" from "simply having kids"?


PolAm, sorry, but you keep contradicting yourself. The laws lean towards the mother (do they really, though?), because, as you wrote yourself, mothers are better equipped to take care of children. So, for the laws and courts the priority is the good of children. Judging by what you wrote it's usually in the best interest of kids to stay with their mother. Not in mother's interest, not in father's interest, but in kids' interest. That's the most important thing - what's the best for kids, right?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


That's simply not true, imho. If someone really wants to take up shooting as a sport or get a gun license for hunting, etc. they will get it in Poland. Apparently there was a significant increase in the gun permits being given in Poland in 2021 - 19 939 people got them in 2021 alone. Majority of them were for collectors (9 233), sports (6 tys. 806), hunting (3 676) and training related (113). Only 81 people got gun permits for self-defense.

If you want a gun for self-defense then that's different - you have to give a good reason to the police for that and I think it's better if it doesn't change.


I think it should first and foremost take into consideration common sense and situation in the country. Poland is a safe country, but there are, of course, situations in which I think getting a gun permit for self-defense should be fast-tracked - when someone's life is really in danger - if someone is persecuted by a stalker or is getting serious death threats, for example.


No way. That would create a pathology - the rich would be getting the permits fast and not those who need it the most.

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]

@johnny reb, sorry, but your comment makes no sense. Grow up and stick to the topic (try not to focus too much on me again lol).

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]

@Miloslaw, not native, rather mocking/sarcastic.

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]


Then everyone who claims that fathers should be treated equally with mothers at family courts during cases concerning parental rights and should be getting kids after divorce is also either "retarded" or "extreme feminist".

Btw, in my opinion boys could be raised in such a way as to be more empathic, better developed emotionally and more nurturing. It would only benefit their future kids. Fathers are as important as mothers for children's development, maybe even more important for daughters than for sons. Many of the men from my father's generation are too cold, emotionally distant, bottled up, not involved in children's lives, indifferent, lazy with kids. Such parenting (or rather lack of it) hurts kids. It defenitely hurt me, especially as a girl and later as a grown woman. I remember how envious I was when I was watching American movies with fathers being close with their daughters, playing with them, spending time with them, supporting them, caring. That's a big boost to a girl's confidence, etc. I simply felt unloved by my father. Would you like your kids to feel that way?


I could say the same about myself... lol

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]


Wait a minute, are you saying that taking care of and raising their own kids isn't "natural" for fathers??


Yes, that's also my observation.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


That's what we have police for. I doubt it can get any worse than in the 90's.


But we do know - I gave you a link to recent poll results (the poll was commissioned by a conservative newspaper) according to which 70% of Poles don't want the gun laws in Poland to change.

Here's the link in case you missed it:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sprawdzili-czy-polacy-chca-dostepu-do-broni-wyniki-badania-zaskakuja/g95yg4l


23%, not 30%. There's no society where 100% of people agree on everything, but we live in a democracy and laws are usually made according to what majority wants. And 70% is a big majority.

Why don't you care about what majority of people in Poland want? Why do you guys try to impose your mentality on Poles? There's a different reality in Poland than in the US. Our laws reflect that. Poland isn't the US. It isn't Switzerland either...

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]


To be honest, from my observation nothing changed that much in this respect in the last 30 years in Poland. My mother did stay home with me and my brother for a few years, but then she went back to work and we were left home alone - my mother asked our neighbour to check on us (I don't remember if he actually ever did that). The only couple in our block of flats where I grew up with a home-stay-mom were our neighbours next door - they had 6 kids with the seventh dying mysterious death when it was an infant (I think my mother suspected that she killed that baby). That mother of six would sit all day by the window and stare at people and then gossip about them with another neighbour. I remember how she was yelling at her kids. Their sons would steal apples from an orchard nearby and come to us to ask for money for cigarettes for their father... As you can imagine I didn't view them as a model family... 🙄

For me it was completely normal that women work. Even kind of expected...

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]




Nothing stops the concerned daddies from quitting their jobs and taking care of their kids. If enough men did that and became stay-at-home dads, women's wages would rise and one income would be enough to support a family, right? :D


Of course, ffs.


This may be an issue for some, I guess - I'm not sure how many women realise how important the biological clock is for women as far as getting pregnant and safe pregnancy is considered. There probably should be more education about this. 🤔

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [356]

@jon357, it's not odd at all, you know very well why I mentioned it.


Exactly.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


That's not wishful thinking, but the reality we're living in Poland. Maybe it will change in the future (I hope not), but for now I don't see that happening.


I don't think so. This is the latest poll - from October 2022:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sprawdzili-czy-polacy-chca-dostepu-do-broni-wyniki-badania-zaskakuja/g95yg4l

70% of Poles don't want the gun laws in Poland to be liberalised. 57,3% think that more lax gun laws would decrease their sense of security - it would make them feel less safe.

News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

@pawian, ah, I see... Thanks :))

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [356]


Sure, jon357:

latnet.org/org-blog/2022/1/27/holocaust-remembrance-day-never-forget-never-again

Why should we remember about the homosexual prisoners of Nazi concentration camps, right? 🙄🤦

News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

Btw:


That's the dictionary translation of "granatnik", but is that the right term for what that police chief fired from in English? Judging by the photos, as far as I remember, it looked like an RPG... 🤔

News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

@pawian ;D That's Google Translate's fault lol

News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]


grenade launcher even :):

businessinsider.com.pl/prawo/wybuch-granatnika-w-gabinecie-komendanta-glownego-policji-jakie-kary-przewiduje-prawo/xnl2q9n


Yes, my thoughts exactly! xD lol

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I wasn't writing about gun ownership, but about training. You don't have to own a gun in order to learn how to use it. You can go to a shooting range and pay for training and practice there. It is estimated that there are around 450 shooting ranges opened to the public in Poland and they're being stormed by people wanting to learn how to use a gun since the RuSSian invasion of Ukraine began:

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Polacy-siegneli-po-bron-i-oblegaja-strzelnice-8304667.html


If that was a common/serious problem in Poland I would probably be the first to get myself a gun. But it simply isn't. Usually the people who have to deal with such cases are police officers and they do have guns. But having a gun in Poland is one thing and using it - is another matter. Even police officers get into trouble because of using a gun during dangerous situations in Poland - I find this more worrying than gun ownership laws. I don't want Polish police officers to be afraid to use guns when it's necessary, especially when someone's life is in danger (most often theirs)...

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

@PolAmKrakow, as for training - I agree. It never hurts to know how to fire a gun and use it safely.


OK, sorry, I haven't read the whole discussion.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

@gumishu, are you being serious right now? Don't you live in Poland??


You're welcome...

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

@gumishu, "major"? Do they have to destroy the city center so it would "matter" to you? They devastate trains, buses and stadiums on regular basis - those are just a few articles from different years about train devastations only:

bialystok.policja.gov.pl/po2/aktualnosci/84398,Pseudokobice-zniszczyli-pociag-zostali-zatrzymani.html

lodz.naszemiasto.pl/kibole-zdewastowali-pociag-lka-chwala-sie-tym-w-sieci-foto/ar/c2-5178373

poznan.tvp.pl/48875208/kibice-lechii-zdewastowali-lokomotywe-przy-stadionie-miejskim-w-poznaniu

wiadomosci.wp.pl/kibole-sterroryzowali-maszyniste-i-zatrzymali-pociag-demolka-na-dworcu-w-zabrzu-6115439358043777a

tvn24.pl/pomorze/tak-wyglada-pociag-ktorym-jechali-kibice-slaska-ra283971-3511662

czestochowa.wyborcza.pl/czestochowa/7,89625,28954762,mecz-na-torach-kibice-rakowa-zdemolowali-dwa-pociagi.html#commentsAnchor

And devastations aren't the only problem - I'm sure you realise that hools turn into organised criminal groups:

policja.pl/pol/aktualnosci/169054,Pseudokibice-stworzyli-zorganizowana-grupe-przestepcza.html

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

@gumishu, sorry, but even if that was true (which I doubt) - how on Earth did that gave the hools the right to destroy public property in Warsaw???

And what about hooligans getting arrested for criminal activity these days - are those "PiS provocations"? lol :)))

As I wrote - there's been problems with hooligans in Poland since I can remember. What has PO or any other political party to do with hooligans devastating trains and buses (and stadiums) for years in Poland? Are those "PO provocations" too? Even nowadays? lol

Trust me, hools don't need any "provocations" to show what destructive morons they are.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Why did you write about them then? It looked like you were giving them as an example why one would need to own a gun in Poland...

Btw, there's been a problem with hooligans in Poland since I can remember. It was especially bad when PO went at war with them - they were destroying Warsaw during Independence Marches then. But normally they appear in large groups only if there's a match in the city. Normal people simply avoid them then. Usually they "sing" songs when they come back from a match, so you can hear them from afar, which makes avoiding them pretty easy. And there's no way in hell I would board a train full of hooligans/"football fans" going to or from a match lol I remember reading articles about trains and buses getting devastated, including in my city :( Those morons shouldn't reproduce... :/


That's the thing, if gun laws were relaxed in Poland they could get them. There's enough problems with them already - imagine if they started shooting at each other or at other people when drunk or high. We would have something similar to gang violence in the US. No, thank you.

Life / Poland's birthrate on the decline [480]

I'm guessing that such poll would look different in the UK:

kobieta.wp.pl/polki-rodza-chetniej-na-emigracji-w-polsce-nie-zdecydowalabym-sie-na-dziecko-6832478455073440a

Total fertility rate for Polish women born in Poland, but living in the UK is 2.03, while for native British women it's 1.54. Even British women in the UK give birth to more kids than Polish women in Poland though:

demagog.org.pl/analizy_i_raporty/wspolczynnik-dzietnosci-w-polsce-najnowsze-dane-gus/

According to official Polish data (GUS report from 2021) in May 2020 fertility rate for Polish women in Poland was 1.378.

Conclusion: British "femi-Nazi" women are more willing to give birth in the "woke" country of the United Kingdom than Polish women in the Catholic "pro-family" Poland run by a conservative, anti-woke, right-wing government.

Also, ironically, Poland has one of the most stringent abortion laws in Europe and at the same time one of the lowest birth rates in the EU.

Life / Activation of purchased Poland Orange/T-mobile/Play mobile data / SIM card? [19]

@Cargo pants, I don't know about overseas, this is what I've found on Orange's Polish site:

orange.pl/omnibook/wymiana-karty-sim-na-esim

Does that help?

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [356]

Also:


This is pretty funny (and ironic) in a way that right-wingers and nationalists are defending Piłsudski, Piłsudski's May Coup and his persecution of political opponents lol After all, Piłsudski was a member and a leader of the Polish Socialist Party and the May Coup overthrew a right-wing government :)))

cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/article/abs/military-background-of-pilsudskis-coup-detat/38AAB58D3C1E6FA5FF7832FDB0C6AAFA

"Józef Piłsudski, at the head of certain military units devoted to his person and with the enthusiastic approval of the political and social forces of the Polish Left, staged a successful coup d'etat against the Polish parliamentary system dominated since the elections of November, 1922, by an agglomeration of Right-Center political parties."

LOL!