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I don't think you get it, do you?

The government can't 'take care' of anything, because we have a single European market.

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What are you babbling about? Poles don't want any more 'sacrifice'.


It's not their money, because the shop is aimed at Poles. It's good for them though, because it's their government that benefits from Polish money.


Business really isn't your strong point, is it? My friend won't move out of the Polish market, he'll simply relocate the company close to the Polish border, but in CZ/SK. The only difference is that he'll employ Czech/Slovak workers and he'll pay taxes to the Czech Republic or Slovakia. There won't be any niche opening up in Poland, because he'll still occupy that part of the market.


It's a massive lose-lose, because Poland will lose jobs and taxes will be paid to the Czech/Slovak governments.

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Interestingly, I saw earlier that even members of the government are quite confused why these adverts got pulled.

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Actually, he's Polish, so that means he'll fire the manual workers that pack/post the items and hire Czech/Slovak manual workers instead. The company will no longer pay income tax/social insurance to Poland, nor will the company pay all sorts of other taxes to the Polish exchequer. Meanwhile, the Czech/Slovak exchequer will benefit.

I know you don't understand how business works, but business always flows to where it can flourish. That's why Russia has problems right now and why Ireland went from being a nation of farmers to being a very tech-savvy, advanced economy within 40 years.

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Lower regulations and taxes for smaller companies and provide them with some solutions that can increase the attractiveness of the company for Polish workers. We're throwing so much money at the coal mines - that money could easily be used to help Polish businesses. There are endless possibilities - we could be offering startups the possibility to get a year's worth of salaries paid, we could be offering tech companies funds to employ a foreign expert for 1 year to benefit from their knowledge - that sort of thing can really pay off in time.

If PiS took the money from the retail tax and poured it into funding new businesses, we would see a lot of positive change.

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Quite normal for homosexuals to be very homophobic in the beginning. It's quite normal to experience such feelings - you'll learn in time that it's only sexual repression. Some psychotherapy can help you come to terms with your homosexuality, NocyMrok. When you come out, you'll find that you've got friends on here that won't judge you for your sexual orientation.

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Of course it will. Polish companies need all the help they can get, and taxing them is the exact opposite of helping them. Meanwhile, anyone with an internet shop that's coming close to the tax threshold will simply relocate to the Czech Republic or Slovakia. I know you don't understand business, but no business is going to stay in Poland if the tax system elsewhere is more favourable.


It's a basic principle that the more you regulate and tax businesses, the worse the economic situation gets.

There's a good comparison in Bosnia actually - the Republika Srpska introduced a 10% flat tax rate and more or less abolished all barriers to business. It's not flourishing, but it's in a lot better shape financially than the Federation of Bosnia-Hercegovina, which has a complete mess of a tax system and endless bureaucratic barriers.


You don't get business at all, do you?

I have a friend that has a fairly successful online business. If he hits the tax threshold, then he'll simply pay people less. It's that simple.

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It was 12 million up until the announcement.

I see you also don't understand the difference between "net profit" and "turnover".

Anyway, this guarantees that just like the bank tax, either prices will rise or Polish suppliers will lose out.

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You really do think gay sex far too much, you know. Why don't you just go out and indulge yourself?


It's the usual story. PiS don't want to segregate rubbish because... because... IT'S A CONSPIRACY.

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4 million złoty wasted because one guy managed to imagine that it was promoting an ideology that doesn't even exist.

Surreal, and shows what PiS think about this country.

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Why don't you ask NocyMrok, given that he brought it up in the first place?

We all know there's no real definition and that it's just a made-up term used by the right wing in Poland about an imaginary enemy.

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It's pure poison. The latest article about the bank tax makes it crystal clear...


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Just to make sure everyone understands - PKO BP is controlled by the government. It's the largest bank in Poland, and they have branches where other banks frequently aren't present, especially in smaller places. For them to increase fees is nothing short of criminal. As always with PiS, it's the "ordinary Polish man" that loses.

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It sounds it. But margins in retail are tiny - hence a lot of webshops rely on high amounts of sales. That's why a turnover tax is going to lead to a lot of the more successful online retailers simply moving out of Poland.

This tax pretty much guarantees that every single online retailer will move out of Poland. From the customer point of view, there won't be any difference if something is delivered from CZ or from PL, after all. Prices for delivery are pretty much identical from CZ or from within PL, so for the online retailer, that 2% difference means you appear to be 2% cheaper on price comparison portals such as ceneo.

As for your jibe about "not understanding the real Poland", I understand just fine when warehouse workers get fired because the company has relocated to the Czech Republic to avoid the turnover tax.

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Seems to me as NocyMrok hasn't actually seen these advertisements.

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Partially because anyone that had a choice has already left. The ones working in corpo jobs can simply apply for transfers elsewhere after a year of work, and other specialists will easily find work abroad.

We can see now that the 2% retail tax is planned to hit every single business with a turnover of 12 million PLN a year regardless if it's online or offline. That means that Polish webshops have no chance against foreign retailers such as iperfumy.pl, Zelando.pl and asos.com. 12 million a year isn't much money, as it's based on turnover. A lot of even smaller online retailers will hit this barrier - and when they do, they're going to take up and move the business to the Czech Republic or Slovakia on paper. The goods will still be physically posted from PL, but they're going to pay Czech/Slovak social insurance and taxes and the 'ordinary Polish man' is going to lose his job.

Meanwhile, today, the CEO of Auchan in Poland will order his finance director to find ways to recover the money lost to the government. That means squeezing suppliers, expecting higher productivity (did you know that cashiers are judged according to their 'scan rate'?) and cutting numbers employed. All of these things will hurt Polish businesses and Polish people. Obviously - Auchan cannot get away with paying their workers less than minimum wage. But the guy that supplies them... well, if he wants to keep the contract, he's going to have to cut his prices.

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That's exactly it. Polonius and others talk so much about the "little man", but PiS have done nothing but screw that man over. The replacing of in vitro with that napro nonsense is just a kick in the face - no-one is getting in vitro because they want to, but because it's the last chance for them.

Likewise with these taxes - all they've done is guarantee that the small Polish supplier will have to meet the increased demands of the client. That means - ultimately - the supplier will cut wages or will demand more productivity from the workers.

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It's because as many people have said - PiS is more of a cult than a political party. Their fear comes from the fact that they're trusting PiS to take them to a better place, and if there's any threat whatsoever to that plan, they instinctively respond with hatred and threats.

It's quite sad really. A lot of these more rabid supporters are going to end up in a worse place because of the government's actions.

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Of course, they're all behind the latest attempt to crown a Jewish guy King of Poland.

Seems to me as if they really have their politics mixed up.

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However, taxation and uncertainty does a lot to reduce private sector employment.

For instance, PiS have made it clear that they're willing to slam taxes on businesses to cover holes in the budget. We've started with banks, insurance companies and retailers - but who says that they won't place a tax on manufactured goods next if they can't balance the budget? That frightens investors, so they don't create jobs because they don't know about the future.

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It's entirely in line with their thinking - keep them underemployed, keep them down. Encouraging private business means encouraging rebellion, whereas feeding them with welfare keeps them entirely dependent on PiS.

By the way, the tangible effects of PiS putting 6 year olds back in nursery are being felt - nurseries can't cope with the numbers and emergency kindergartens are being set up anywhere with space, including gimnazjums! If that's a "good change", then parents are even more stupid than I thought.

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You really don't know much about how the Polish legal system works, do you?

Jon would have nothing to fear in a criminal prosecution, as the burden of proof would be on the prosecutor to prove that an offence has been committed. Polish law works on the inquisitorial system, which means that the judge is obliged to find out the truth It would be nearly impossible for any judge to rule that a crime has been committed if many witnesses independent of each other step up to confirm what Jon said.

I'm almost certain Kaczyński wouldn't want the utter humiliation of having his sex life revealed in court. The international media would have a field day printing the transcripts, and his reputation would be in tatters by the end of it. That's exactly why no-one has ever taken President Wałęsa to court over it.

As for evidence, as has been said, it would be up to the prosecutor to prove that it's false.

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It's only a criminal offence if it's not true.

Do you honestly think any prosecutor is going to want to try and prove that it's a lie, given that it's repeated constantly and openly in Polish society?

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Just a point, but plenty of people have openly outed him for years. No-one has ever had any trouble because of it - not least because there's no way Jarek would risk it all coming out in court.

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You're the one that couldn't even provide a simple definition. Must be the age old problem with PiS members : limited vocabulary and not much in the way of brains.

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Okay, so how does that correspond with...


How does one get from an advertisement about sorting rubbish correctly to feminist theory?

Polonius, you don't have to tell us, we already know that "gender" was invented by the Catholic Church.

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Stop ducking the question and explain to us what "gender" is. You brought it up, you define it.

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You brought it up.

Why is it that not a single PiS supporter can explain what "gender" is, yet they talk about it constantly?

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You're still not answering the question as to what "gender" is.


I'm all for it, it'll make Polish easier! Just think, no more worrying about whether or not a table is male, female or neutral.

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I think he's trying for a sort of Marilyn Manson type androgyny in everyone, judging by his wishes to ban gender.

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No no. We want you to define "gender" as understood by you.