News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]

Poles least likeable, say Lithuanians
09.12.2010 09:51
Poles are the least friendly of all of Lithuania’s neighbours, say participants in a new online opinion poll.
According to the survey conducted by Lithuanian web site Delfi.lt, 63 percent of Lithuanians think Latvians are the most likeable nation, as they also belong to the Baltic states and are similar to Lithuanians when it comes to looks, mentality and economic development.

As many as 13.4 percent of Lithuanians think that Russians are the most friendly neighbours and 8.8 percent have a similar opinion about Belarusians.
Only 8.5 percent of the respondents chose Poles as the most likeable nation.
“Lithuanians and Latvians have a lot in common but I decided to vote for Poles because we are bound by history and culture and Poland is a window to the world for us,” wrote one of the favourable respondents.

The poll reflects growing tension between Poland and Lithuania, with conflicts over the use of the Polish language by Poland’s ethnic minority in the country and the Polish-owned Mazeikiai oil refinery.

Poland’s Foreign Ministry described relations between the two neighbours recently as having reached an “all time low”.
As many as 1627 Lithuanians participated in the poll.

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I agree with most of it.

I don`t agree that Szczecin is a beautiful city.

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]


Look, I have been trying to find the info. I couldn`t.

But I found other interesting stuff about discrimination of Polish students and I can believe that in one school teachers went mad and ordered the Polish minority to speak Lithuanian during breaks. It is perfectly plausible, in view of the state of affairs it is now.

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Delphian, be serious, what do you expect us to find? And how? A copy of Lithuanian school rules? Do you know what language they are written in? :):):):)

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]

The Polish government is working on a new law.

Have you got any other sore issues with Polish law which is against EU law?

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]


That is why I don`t fill up at Orlen gas stations because they are the most expensive. It seems that Orlen, (the biggest Polish oil company) makes up for its Lithuanian losses here, in Poland.

Orlen sore issues over Mozeiki refinery:

What generates losses exactly?

1. Lithuanians removed 19 kilometre-long railway track which led to Latvian border and was used to export oil through the Latvian sea terminal in Lipawa.

2. Lithuanians charge too high fees for the transport of oil by their railways.

3. Lithuanians charge too high fees for using their oil terminal in Kłajpeda.

Let me remind you that in 2006, soon after Poles bought the refinery, Russians stopped sending crude oil to it through the Friendship pipeline. Now the import to the inland refinery is based on Venezulean oil which is transported by sea and then railways.

But the cost of such solution is too high and generally the whole business is in the red.

I don`t want to pay for that.

Let Russians take it over.

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Yes, it did. That was silly and harmful.


It seems that you haven`t noticed we live in 21 century and both countries are in the EU and should abide to its law.

Did you notice it?

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]

This news flash perfectly summarizes the main reasons of Polish anger.

Two Lithuanian Poles have been heavily fined by Lithuanian Language Inspection for putting double language boards on their buses:

Poland Latvia

The Lithuanian official says: They broke the law.

The problem is that it is only Lithuanian law while there is still superior European law about minorities and their rights.

The fined Poles say: We won`t give up.

Lithuania is going to lose the argument. Yet, they are still stubborn and treat their Polish minority with disrespect.

Lithuania must be an independent country at last. That is for sure. But they seem not to understand that they live in the multi language and multi ethnic country.

Poles perfectly understand that Wilno won`t be Polish again. I neither need it nor want it. It is a Lithuanian city now.

But we should never forget about Poles who, despite persecution, first Soviet and then Lithuanian, stayed there after WW2.

But, in the worst case, if Lithuanians don`t want to have anything in common with Poland, let them be Russian, instead. I won`t move my finger/ass when they become a Russian republic once again.

First step - Poland should sell the loss-generating Mozeiki Refinery to Russians.

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]

It seems that Lithuanian government is blind.

What is worse, they are lying.

What for?


thenews/international/artykul142474_lithuania-hits-back-over-polish-minority-allegations.html

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]


Yes, Jews were main victims of Nazi extermination aided by Lithuanian forces. But Poles and other nationalities too.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponary_massacre

The Polish victims were mostly members of Polish intelligentsia (teachers, professors of the Stefan Batory University like Kazimierz Pelczar, priests like Romuald Świrkowski) and members of Armia Krajowa resistance movement[/i]

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]


Poles tend to forget or not realise that during WW2 Lithuanians actively helped Soviets and Nazis to exterminate Poles, not only in Lithuania but also in Poland. Lithuanian SS troops stationed in occupied Poland were the first to carry out anti-Polish oppression. AK soldiers remember them as eager to engage in combat against Polish underground and very dangerous.

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]


Unfortunately, yes.

Besides, Lithuanian minority in Poland enjoys all their rights.

Here, a bilingual sign in Poland:




Yes.

Is it a Polish fault that Lithuanian nobility and other elite groups prefered to speak Polish and adopt Polish customs/culture? Nobody forced that on them.

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]


But the subjugation took place much later than 16 century.

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]


Sean, it is true. It was in times of Kaczyński`s government. He paid through the nose to keep Russians away. It was/is his obsession.

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Exactly. They prefer not to remember that, I already said it above, we saved their asses from Russians since 15 century. It was always Polish troops who made the physical and moral majority in Commonwealth armies, fighting in Lithuanian fields of glory.

Let`s be frank, without Poland`s enormous aid, Lithuania would have been subjugated by Russians at the beginning of 16 century and today they would be a solid, faithful, loyal part of the Russian Federation.

They would love Russia, like Eastern Ukrainians.

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As a Polish farmer, you are expected to ride this:

Law / Old Polish money banknotes - what's their value today? [415]

I have a few old Polish banknotes for sale.

How much are they worth?

Banknote from Poland
Old banknote from Poland
Old Polish banknote
Old bank note of Poland

Life / Womans day in Poland? [242]

Let`s be careful. Some of the posters pretend to be female while others pretend to be male. For fun. Everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt.

I know it from a sure source and once I personally knew a poster who was female though had male in profile.

History / Prophesy - Poland from sea to sea. [57]


If they are not keen, we will have to deport them to Siberia. Ironside will see to it, I am sure. He will make sure the deportation is smooth and without delays, and that it includes a few unruly Poles who oppose this mad idea of two-seas Poland.

History / Prophesy - Poland from sea to sea. [57]

:):):)
You are as romantic as Quixote, who was Polish, btw.


I do care about Morożek because his sense of humour perfectly suits me.

More for you:

National agreement. Crisis!

History / Prophesy - Poland from sea to sea. [57]

You propose and advocate Poland from sea to sea in different threads.
Have you ever thought how it could be done?
By economic power or militarily?
I hope you realise it is worthless daydreaming.

So, maybe another way? What about cultural expansion?

But how can you do it, if sadly enough, you reject Mrożek who is one of those few (a dozen?) Polish writers who are recognised and appreciated in the world because their productions are understood by people. Other Polish writers are not known because their art is good and understandable only for Poles.

Who are you going to put forward as a Polish cultural expansion bearers if you reject Mrożek and probably a few others? :):):):)

History / Prophesy - Poland from sea to sea. [57]


I vaguely remember hearing about it a long time ago but I can`t tell any details.
It means: no, they aren`t. It is not a topic of public interest.


Simply speaking, it is worthless.

History / Prophesy - Poland from sea to sea. [57]

You are really unique!!! :):):):):) Being a decent man, I won`t tell you names that should be addressed to you. :):):)):


It is a compliment to me. :):):):) I am a Gemini, always a mixture of various, often contrasting stuff.

More by Mrożek for your current mood: :):):):):)

This is White Eagle. He doesn`t play with us.

History / Prophesy - Poland from sea to sea. [57]


Mrożek will answer you:

Our cultural expansion - Bantu tribesmen in Krakow folk hats:

History / Digital reconstruction of Warszawa - Miasto Ruin - rebuilding the destroyed Warsaw [31]

Has Harry changed substantially or my impression is wrong? Probably I have been absent for too long to notice it....

History / Digital reconstruction of Warszawa - Miasto Ruin - rebuilding the destroyed Warsaw [31]


It reminds me of a letter sent to a Newsweek magazine in 1980s. A guy complained that the cover displayed a photo of real life jet fighters with bar codes drawn on their noses, as an illustration to tan article about armament sale. He accused Newseek of falsifying the reality.

I thought then: Nuts? :):):):)


Because we live in 21 century, that is why. Black and white photos were good for 20th century.


Because showing parts demolished by Germans already took 5 minutes of the film and they had a tight budget.
harry, don`t you understand such simple issues?

It seems to me you are trying to replace Constantine now....

News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]


You should have written:

<< I made another moronic post. I gave a clear signal - "I am your favourite moron." Why can`t I just shoot myself but have to hang around the Polish Forums? :):):):):):):):):) <<

News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]


I am sorry, it wasn`t because I have never heard about the problem of Polish inner cities before. I knew it was a typical American problem, though. I am really sorry for this incorrect interpretation.


Yes, Grozny was nicely rebuilt, one can see it in films on youtube.

However, I read Russians`complaints about their government`s huge money for Chechenya`s rebuilding while most towns and villages in Russia are proverbial armpits and lightyears from European standards.

That is the cost of keeping the Empire alive and kicking...... You kept Chechenya but an average Russian has nothing from it, except for the good mood, maybe.

Do you agree to it or not?

News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]


So, what were we talking about?

Adam Borowski, the honorary consul to the Chechen Republic in Poland told TVP television this evening that the "prosecution action taken against Akhmed Zakayev testifies to the fact that our standards of justice are closer to Russia than Europe."

Borowski noted that the same Russian prosecution documents have previously been sent to Denmark and the UK - both places where Zakayev has lived since his exile in 2003. Prosecutors in those countries found the charges against him groundless, said Borowski.

"This is a black day for Polish justice," he added.

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