History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Does it mean you will be gone from here at last??? :):):):)

See you in other threads where you are quite normal and I do enjoy your input there.

However, your anti-German obsession has blinded you and discussing things with you here is no use.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Coming back to the Congress in Gniezno in 1000.

Titbit:

Bolesław threw a giant banquet in Otto`s honour. It lasted 3 days and delicious dishes like bear paws were served. At the end of it, the Emperor and his court were presented with all goldware and silverware from the tables.

The sumptuousness with which Otto was entertained in Poland amazed contemporary politicians and chroniclers.


restaurants.pl/ciekawostki/historyk/gniezno.htm


I didn`t do it because:

1. I supposed I dealt with intelligent people who would be able to see my intentions. Wasn`t it clearly positive-oriented at the beginning when I started with Wit Stwosz altarpiece example and such frigging words??:

Sheit, I made a thread about Russian contribution and forgot to do the same with German one.
After all, they are our most important neighbours and require even treatment.

Are you really so limited that you couldn`t guess what I meant by doing and saying the above???

God, why do I have to work with such simpletons????

2. I knew it would have no effect whatsoever and various trolls would fly in swarms like moths to a lamp.


I love acting like that, I feel so much younger! :):):):)

Ok, can you get back to the topic at last????

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


It is my thread and I set the rules. I have the right to it.

If you want to discuss dark sides, go and start your own thread. :):):)

Fair enough??

Besides, it seems you still don`t understand simple English:


What did I write a few posts above?:

to feel grateful to someone because of the way that they have helped you

Are Poles grateful for mass graves and death camps? No.

Should Poles be grateful for the Holy Lance? Yes.

Don`t you understand that intelligent people are able to see the difference bewteen these two????

If you can`t grasp it, get the f..k out of here and stop trolling at last!

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Hey, don`t you know that when you are not sure about some English words, you can consult a dictionary? :):):)
If you had at the very beginning of reading this thread, it would have spared us a lot of your useless posts.

TO OWE:

3
to have something only because someone or something has helped you
owe something to someone/something:

The company owes its success to its excellent training programme.

owe much/a lot/a great deal to someone/something:

The cathedral clearly owes a great deal to French design.

4
to feel grateful to someone because of the way that they have helped you
owe someone something:

We really owe you a great deal for all your hard work this year.

Thesaurus entry for this meaning of owe


The later it gets, the more prone to philosophy you become. :):):)

Come on. Don`t make simple things so complicated. :):):):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


OMG, this troll again.....

I don`t force anybody to thank. Poles are free to do what they want.

Personally, I want to thank Germans for everything good they did in and for Poland.

Thank you, Germans!

:):):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Stop trolling the thread.
Its main topic isn`t any crimes, OK?
:):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


:):):):):):):):):):):):)

Do you know what qui pro quo means?

If not, google it.

Sasha, the Russian, I am so sorry for this blunder. :):):):):):):):) Another guy was pretending to be you and he caught me. :):):):):)


You bet!


Why is that?


I certainly do and will. :):):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Look at my previous post.

I wrote:
The Holy Lance replica is venerated in Poland as if it was a real spear which hurt Jesus` body. It was a gift from Germans.

Can you refute it?

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


That`s simpleton`s way of thinking. What has the Holy Lance got in common with Nazi crimes??? :):):)

These are two seperate things, aren`t they?

The Holy Lance replica is venerated in Poland as if it was a real spear which hurt Jesus` body. It was a gift from Germans.

Can you refute it?

You can discuss Nazi crimes in 100 threads in the forum.

Do you really need to do it here?

It seems you can`t read not only Polish, but English either.

Read the title of the thread and if you have problems with understanding, use the dictionary.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


For the time being, I want to grab you and strangle with my own hands for this obnoxious trolling. :):):):):):):)

Then I can have a drink. :):):):)

I have to do it in self defence before you send me to a gas chamber, like you did with millions of people before.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Aren`t we, Poles and Scots of our era, descendants and heirs of Poles and Scots of past eras?

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

OK, guys, I see that I am losing too much time on disputes with such trolls as Sokrates and Des. :):):) It seems they are doing everything to destroy the thread and stop the truth from surfacing.

We mustn`t allow them to do it. Let`s prevent trolls like Sok or Des from taking over this thread. :):):):)

Help!!! :):):):):)

Let`s get back to the topic.

I mentioned the time when Bolesław the Brave and German emperor Otto III cooperated closely in 1000.

Why?

Otto tried to create the first "European Union" and saw Poland federated with/into Holy Roman Empire, that is why he offered an alliance to the Polish prince at the Congress in Gniezno, 1000.

According to the chronicles by Thietmar of Merseburg, Otto III, who had been a friend of Adalbert,[1] committed to a pilgrimage from Italy to St. Adalbert's tomb in Gniezno; in his attempt to extend the influence of Christianity in Eastern Europe, and to renew the Holy Roman Empire based on a federal concept ("renovatio Imperii Romanorum") with the Polish and Hungarian duchies upgraded to eastern federati of the empire.[2]

Emperor Otto III on his pilgrimage was received by Duke Bolesław at the Polish border on the Bóbr river near Małomice, whereafter Bishop Unger of Poznań conducted him to Gniezno. In the week of 7 to 15 March 1000 Emperor Otto III invested Duke Bolesław with the titles frater et cooperator Imperii ("Brother and Partner of the Empire") and populi Romani amicus et socius[2] as rendered in the 1115 Gesta principum Polonorum by the Kraków chronicler Gallus Anonymus, the first author of Polish history. If the act implemented an elevation of Bolesław to a Polish king at the mercy of the Emperor has not been conlusively established. In any case, Bolesław had himself crowned King of Poland at Gniezno Cathedral in 1025.

On the same visit, Otto III raised Gniezno to the rank of an archbishopric. Three new dioceses subordinate to Gniezno were created: the Bishopric of Kraków (assigned to Bishop Poppo), the Bishopric of Wrocław (assigned to Bishop Jan) and the short-lived Bishopric of Kołobrzeg in Pomerania (assigned to bishop Reinbern).[1] St. Adalbert's brother Radzim Gaudenty became the first archbishop of Gniezno.[1] Otto III gave Bolesław a replica of his Holy Lance, part of the Imperial Regalia, and Bolesław presented the Emperor with a relic, an arm of St. Adalbert in exchange.

Bolesław subsequently accompanied Otto III on his way back to Germany. Both proceeded to the grave of Charlemagne at Aachen Cathedral, where Bolesław received the throne chair as a gift. Both arranged the betrothal of Bolesław's son Mieszko II Lambert with the Emperor's niece Richeza of Lotharing.



I saw it but didn`t take photos - prohibited.

The legend says that during his coronation in 1025, Bolesław was holding the Lance.



According to Polish government official site for the promotion of Poland, the 1000 Congress and alliance with German Holy Roman Empire was one of the greatest successes of the Polish state`s diplomacy at the time.

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I will be happy to see you prove it. If you do, I will apologise. If not, you will. :):):):)


It is you who is a troll. Do I make you participate here?

No.

So get out if you can`t discuss things on neutral terms. :):):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Stop this historical self- suicide! :):):) Complete nonsense.

Troll.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

I do and definitely I look more handsome than you. Besides, intelligence beams from my eyes. Yours are void.

At least in this thread. In other threads you are quite all right. :):):):) So, wtf is happening to you?

As for superficial account:

Look, darling, this is not a thick illustrated book about history of Poland, it is a forum. I am not going to go into details because they will be lost on you anyway. If you need to know more, consult fekking archives and special bibliography. Learn to read and understand Polish.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Despite my weakness towards Russians, I have to say one thing: you are ridiculous with your envy that a new thread has been started and it is not about Russians. :):):):):)

OK, don`t worry, I will try to develop What do Poles owe to Russians too.


You historical Ignorant!!! Don`t mix Holy Roman Empire with ancient Romans!!!

Magdeburg Law was developed in Holy Roman Empire:

The Holy Roman Empire (HRE; German: Heiliges Römisches Reich (HRR), Latin: Imperium Romanum Sacrum (IRS), Italian: Sacro Romano Impero (SRI)) was a realm (Reich) that existed from 962–1806 in Central Europe. It was ruled by the Holy Roman Emperor. Its character changed during the Middle Ages and the Early Modern period, when the power of the emperor gradually weakened in favour of the princes. In its last centuries, its character became quite close to a union of territories.

The empire's territory was centered on the Kingdom of Germany, and included neighbouring territories, which at its peak included the Kingdom of Italy and the Kingdom of Burgundy. For much of its history, the Empire consisted of hundreds of smaller sub-units, principalities, duchies, counties, Free Imperial Cities and other domains.

Troll.

:):):):)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


I do appreciate it.

It is noble of you to admit a mistake which wasn`t so big, actually. If it is true, according to one historical presumption, that Mieszko was baptised in Regensburg instead of Polish towns of Poznań, Gniezno or Ostrów Legnicki, then, good Germans helped Poles to get baptised although bad Germans tried to prevent it. It was a fascinating game by Mieszko to play the former against the latter. I don`t have time to develop the topic, it was discussed in the Polish link I gave earlier.

Satisfied with your performance, I will answer the other part of your post (normally I try not to discuss anything with unregistered users because they are insincere tricksters.


Nope. The first Polish king, Bolesław the Brave, was coronated in 1025, taking advantage of the political mess in Germany at the time. It was soon after Polish German war, so the relations were very antagonistic.

After Henry's death in 1024, Bolesław I took advantage of the interregnum in Germany and crowned himself king in 1025, thus raising Poland to the rank of a kingdom before its neighbor Bohemia. He was the first Polish king (rex), his predecessors having been considered dukes (dux) by the Holy Roman Empire and the papacy. Bolesław I died not long after the coronation, due most likely to an illness.



The German Polish cooperation between Otto I and Bolesław took place earlier, in 1000. I will talk about it.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Soki, please, relax. I see that the matter of the "Jewish debt" has gotten into your mind and you are blind with obsession of debts. :):):):)

Nobody talks here about being in debt to anyone.

I used the word owe in the meaning: to owe somebody thanks for

So, don`t behave like a stubborn child. Every intelligent person in Krakow knows that we owe thanks to Wit Stwosz, the great German artist, despite all the money that was paid to him.


Guys, do you really have to behave and reason like simpletons? :)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Rubbish. Check sources.

In early 966 Mieszko travelled to Czechia to visit his father in law, Czech ruler, prince Bolesław and prolong their alliance against pagan tribes that troubled Mieszko at the time. And that`s a fact.

And some historians believe that from there, they went together to Ratyzbona to have Mieszko baptised by the local bishop.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Despite popular beliefs, Poland didn`t owe its baptism and christianity to Germans. Quite the opposite, Mieszko I, the first ruler of Poland, adopted the christianity in 966 to protect his land from German expansion which used the pretext of conversion of pagan Slavic tribes.

So, when Germans created the diocese in Magdeburg in 968 with a view to take Slavic lands under its influence, it was too late as Mieszko, with his baptism, established the direct connection with Rome`s pope, not a German bishop.

Mieszko married Czech princess Dobrawa (already baptised) in 965 so we can say that Poles owe christianity to Czechs.

However, it can be true that the ceremony of baptism took place not in Gniezno (Poland) but somewhere in Germany (Ratyzbona) or even Rome.

sciaga.pl/tekst/29421-30-stosunki_polsko_niemieckie_w_okresie_wczesnopiastowskim

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_Poland

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Don`t be silly. And so obsessed with money. If not Vit Stwosz, the German, Poles would never have acquired such an altar, no matter how much they would pay to Czech or Italian sculpters. As simple as that, if not him in Poland, no masterpiece altar for Poles.

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Oops, guys, all of you who posted here when I was soundly sleeping.

I must say I am NOT impressed with your contribution.

First of all, the thread is kinda historical.

That is why, can you abstain from mentioning such contemporary facts?:


Secondly, the thread is supposed to present positive things. That is why such true facts as


are politically incorrect here. :):):)

BTW, Sok, since when have you started acknowledging Polish Jews? You stinking hypocrite!

Third, the thread is about Germans and Poland. Can you talk about England and other nations somewhere else? :):):)


Last, but not least, personal opinions which don`t have much historical value for the thread are also unnecessary. :):):)


I hope it is not too difficult to remember:

So, again:

Germans.

Positive.

History of Poland.

Do you think you are able to bear it in mind? I like working with intelligent people.

If you have nothing valuable to contribute, can you just read and learn from the thread?

Well, I hope you will come back to topic now.

Thanks in advance.

:):):):):):):)

Here is an example.

Coming back to Krakow again.

In one of his posts Palivec mentioned some Polish words which are derived from German: ratusz, burmistrz. etc etc. Town hall, mayor, etc.

Why?

Many Polish medieval towns adopted the so called Magdeburg Law for their settlement, development and ruling.


Krakow is a perfect example:


worldlibrary.org/articles/german_town_law

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_town_law

Together with German Town Law, German colonists/immigrants came and settled in Poland, welcomed by local rulers. Also, in Krakow.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung#Poland

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Gay letters are censored in Poland. Sorry. You are allowed to send only one a month.

Po polsku / Żebyśta nie myśleli że nauczyciele majom Raj [28]


Czyli zgodnie z tezą tego wątku. :):):)


Mowa moja będzie krótka: zapieprzam od ogródka do ogródka. Żona już nie musi. :):):):):):)

Love / Polish women are the most beautiful in the world! [1718]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder?

Po polsku / Żebyśta nie myśleli że nauczyciele majom Raj [28]


Czyli jaka?


Czyli co konkretnie?

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Sheet, I didn`t think about it.

Thanks.

Sorry for being harsh on you in my previous post. :):):) I thought you refused to contribute for personal reasons.

However, myths can be harmful too. They can blur the vision and distort the history.

And do you know that historia magistra vitae?

History is the teacher of life!

Do you want history to teach false things according to myths?

Po polsku / Żebyśta nie myśleli że nauczyciele majom Raj [28]


Powiem Ci szczerze, także. :):):):) Ożeniłem się w wieku 30 lat. Już nie pamiętam ile było prób i błędów wcześniej. Dużo. Ale ja szukałem prawdziwej kobiety. I znalazłem. Dobrą żonę i matkę dla moich dzieci.

Ona nie musi pracować żeby być szczęśliwą. Nie czuje się poniżona przez to że ona nie pracuje i nie ma swojej kasy. Ja jej nie ograniczam pieniędzy. W kopercie na półce z książkami jest kasa którą przynoszę do domu. Jak żona bierze, to tylko zapisuje na kopercie ile i to wystarczy. Ja się nie czepiam o jej wydatki.

Poza tym, jak widzę i słyszę jak zazdroszczą jej tej domowej "służby" jej koleżanki i kobitki z rodziny które zapieprzają w normalnej pracy a potem w domu przy wygodnickim mężusiu i dzieciach, to się utwierdzam w przekonaniu że my jednak mamy dobry układ.

Według mnie, mąż zarabiający na rodzinę i żona w domu to jest dobry układ.

Wiem że masz inne zdanie, szanuję je, ale ty uszanuj moje. :):):):)

History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

What a cheap excuse.

I thought you would be able to contribute sth valuable at last, not your typical trolling.

If not, I am not going to beg you. Get lost, loser. Continue your trolling in other threads.

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