News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]


In the world I live in - the real world - all of NATO is busy studying Russia's war lessons and ringing the alarm bells that Russia's army is incomparably more experienced than their own militaries.

Russia and Ukraine are writing the textbook for how wars will be fought in the 21st century.

Most of what you lot have been investing in between 2022-2025 will be completely useless in the next conflict.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]

I'm sorry, I am just very upset about this idiotic Mark Rutte statement about China "ordering" Russia to invade NATO. So I will write some more.

Russia cannot "order" Lukashenko to support us in our war in Ukraine.

Iran cannot "order" Hizbollah to attack Israel.

India cannot "order" Afghanistan to attack Pakistan.

Even America - the most powerful country in the world - cannot prevent Israel from bombing one of its closest allies - Qatar.

-//-

But somehow, China can "order" the largest country in the world, to plunge itself into a world war - "just because".

Your Western politicians are idiots.

The reason China and Russia get along nicely, is because we practice mutual respect and non-interference. We don't read each other lectures, and don't seek each other's conversion.

Only through your warped zero sum view of the world, could someone happen to make a statement like Mark Rutte made.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]

I saw a post on Twitter today, claiming that NATO General Secretary Mark Rutte said that China will ask Russia to invade NATO, ahead of its invasion of Taiwan.

I thought - "fake news".

Googled it, and son of a b*tch:

"There's an increasing realization, and let's not be naive about this: If Xi Jinping would attack Taiwan, he would first make sure that he makes a call to his very junior partner in all of this, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, residing in Moscow, and telling him, 'Hey, I'm going to do this, and I need you to keep them busy in Europe by attacking NATO territory,'" Rutte said.

Source: kyivindependent.com/china-may-enlist-russia-against-nato-if-taiwan-conflict-erupts-rutte-says-06-2025/

Is it just me - or do politicians go through some metamorphoses when they go from being head of state to head of NATO?

Seemingly level headed Stoltenberg became an impossible war hawk and Cassandra after becoming General Secretary.

Now, formerly rather normal Rutte, is doing weird things like calling Trump "Daddy" and saying "China will order Russia to invade NATO".

-//-

How does that make any sense?

To secure their invasion of a little island in Southeast Asia (albeit a very important little island), China will ask Russia to declare war... on the world? And then... Russia will oblige?

I don't know, but it seems to me like China then wants Russia to do the majority of the heavy lifting - while presenting it as some sideshow.

Who should we attack in NATO first? Estonia or Latvia - or immediately the UK? Maybe make an amphibious landing in Italy?

lol.

News / Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace. [252]


You are a true idiot.

At least I had an excuse in January-February 2022 to be such an idiot as you are.

You have now had the tremendous benefit of watching Russians and Ukrainians at war for three plus years....

You want this? You are excited about this?

You should be put in a gas chamber, and quickly put to sleep.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]

@Novichok

Everyone who has seen Putin, or ate a cucumber - will eventually die.

Off-Topic / USA News and Poland - part 17 [569]


Trump does not operate in these categories "does he realize it", "does he not realize it".

Trump likes big, beautiful words about... himself. End of story. If nobody say these things - no problem - Trump will tell you himself how amazing he is.

Trump likes men he views as "strong".

There is no one more "strong" than Putin in this world (and remember now, that Trump went all the way to the Korean DMZ to shake Kim's hand).

So... kind words from Putin are the best words.

Probably means more to Trump, than Barron coming in at 11 PM, hugging him, and saying "I'm proud of you Dad!".

Off-Topic / USA News and Poland - part 17 [569]

@Ironside

Putin is troll king of the universe.

Of course Putin is the bigger troll.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]

@Novichok

You have an extremely fat governor. I think there's been some stealing going on there, too...

From the cookie jar!

-//-

On a more serious note - I think no state has ever had as many thieves as Illinois.

Even Chicago specifically - you guys lived under a feudal dynasty of Daly's for the best part of the last century.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


Stealing is kind of our national sport - what are you talking about?

Close competitors - Poles.

World champions - Ukrainians.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


Hehehehe!

Hello, and good morning!

Would you like some coffee?

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


Congratulations - you have described how every serious nation conducts its foreign policy.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


Dara?

Yes she has.

Alongside Rob Lee, Michael Koffman, Konrad Muzyka, and that Austrian fella.

They make several trips annually, and then go home and write reports for RAND, CNS, Polish MoD, etc.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]

@Novichok

Trump just listens to the last person that whispered in his ear.

This has been established.

If him and Putin get personal time again - things will again normalize.

Then Zelensky will get in front of him, and things will again go downhill.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]

The Russian stock market took a nose dive over the last two days - after statements made by our Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs - which indicated relations with the United States have completely collapsed.

This is in reaction to Trump handing over the Tomahawks.

Jesus Christ... this war is never gonna end.

I suppose things have to get really, really bad... before they can get any better.

-//-

So it goes...

Now - I suppose - Iran and North Korea are bound to get some sophisticated goodies in their Christmas stocking...

... and round and round it goes!

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


An article written especially for people like you:

foreignaffairs.com/russia/how-russia-recovered

It's free. No pay-wall.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


No we disagree.

The proximate reason for relations collapsing was less prosaic than some disagreement over "direction".

The most direct reason was broken promises. Completely unnecessarily broken promises.

After it became clear that the Yanukovich regime was finished, the Kremlin, Ukraine's new government, and Western European leaders - all agreed on a mutually acceptable solution. Under the arrangement, Yanukovich agreed to constitutional changes that would give more power to parliament, and promised to hold early elections in December of that year.

Instead of everyone going home, and getting ready for elections in the Fall - Ukraine's Right Sector and Svoboda (both fascists) called on their supporters to arrive at the Maidan Square for a "peace offensive".

20,000 Ultras descended on downtown Kiev.

By the end of the day, the president had fled the capital.

Political nobodies emerged from every crack and hole, hungry for their moment in the sun - and within another week the agreement struck between the EU, Ukraine, and Russia collapsed.

Russia felt betrayed. The West played fast and loose with the facts - and presented the events to us as a fait accompli.

This was too much, for the Kremlin, and within another few days things were in full swing.

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Ukraine simply doesn't behave in adult fashion when it comes to Russia. They feel they can do whatever they want - that there are no rules for them.

Broken promises on gas payments. Broken promises on Black Sea fleet basing. Broken promises on providing equal opportunity for Pro-Russian parties. Broken promises even on political arrangements that we hammered out in partnership with their EU friends.

Totally irresponsible country.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]

@Korvinus

Putin was interested in Minsk II - in so far as it got him what he wanted, without massive bloodshed or destruction of property.

Merkel and Hollande convinced him, that they would act as guarantors - and would ensure the Ukrainians would follow through on their promises.

For his part, Putin represented that he will use all of his influence over the separatists to ensure they follow through on their commitments.

-//-

We didn't need it - Ukraine needed it.

This is why I earlier wrote that Minsk II was practically forced on to us (though it was a nominal instrument of surrender forced on Ukraine).

We were happy with it, so long as everyone understood it was a treaty of surrender.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


Are you an idiot?

Let's imagine Putin suffered a sudden brain aneurysm and decided to listen to Korvinus....

Step 1: Russia withdraws, hands control over the border back to Ukraine, and patiently waits for Ukraine to do its part.

Step 2: Ukraine begins good faith negotiations with the LDPR separatists, and prepares for imminent elections?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Any person with two functioning brain cells understands that what Ukraine would do instead is:

1) Fortify the border

2) Jail every single separatist

3) Announce a regime of martial law in the "recently occupied territories"

4) Disqualify every single "unsuitable" candidate

-//-

Everything is simple.

1) Ukraine lost in 2014
2) Minsk II was essentially an instrument of surrender
3) Terms were forced on Ukraine
4) The sequence was dictated by the victor

You are trying to put everything on its head, and make it out as if Russia was supposed to act and behave like the loser.

Ukraine signed that document - because otherwise it would be destroyed as a sovereign state.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1101]


You called her Mutti, and everybody from the New York Times to El Pais thought it was funny.

Many people in Russia call Putin - Papa.

Papa can be good and caring. But Papa can also be a raging alcoholic that likes to get handsy after a few drinks.

We are two infantile nations, always in search of who will lead us next.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1101]

@Bratwurst Boy

Russians and Germans are the same in this sense.

We want the strong hand, and a father or mother of the nation.

Not someone who can be bought by some silly millions or billions.

Not someone who will treat strangers more dearly than his family.

Not someone who will crawl around on his knees in front of foreigners - but only Germans or Russians.

Somebody who is fully OURS. Belongs to us, heart, body and soul. Someone whom we own, in a symmetrical degree, to the extent to which he owns us.

-//--

But as Germans, and Russians, we should know these people are EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

Precisely because we release all control to them - thinking they are our heavenly given guiding lights.

-//-

It is what makes Russia and Germany so strong - this ability of the people to fully subordinate themselves to a single will.

But it's also what led us down some very unhappy roads.

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [530]


Poland?

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1101]

@Bratwurst Boy

I used to be a monarchist.

Sitting like an idiot, praying for some good Orthodox tsar, who would be a father to the people - and raise us up from the current spiritual nihilism.

Then I realized that unless you win the lottery, you're still likely to receive the same turd - except instead of sending him to a well deserved retirement in 4 years - you have to live your whole life with him.

You could have monarchs like in the Emirates (that turned their country into the world's jewel), or like in Thailand (who turned his country into a laughing stock).

Democracy may not be perfect, but the idea of being stuck with an idiot for 30-40 years is a pretty scary one.

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [530]

I don't have much to say in this thread... except that I think Charlie Kirk was only attractive to neophytes and people generally not very sophisticated.

I thought scripture was his strength (he didn't go to college), but even there his knowledge was on the level of some pastor minted freshly out of Liberty University.

No Billy Graham, he was.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1101]

@Bratwurst Boy

Today is the day, BB came out of the closet as a monarchist.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


Ever read Ovid? Big fan of rape.

His Metamorphoses - some might say - is a poetic reflection on Roman power. The gods behave as Romans do toward the conquered - that is - rape and enslave.

Rape is about power.

Trump wants to show Canada his power.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


This is not the United States' fight.

Take Greenland. Take Panama.

Bomb Venezuela to smithereens.

Send death squads to hunt cartel leaders in Mexico.

Bend Canada over backwards, and rape them.

Your prerogative.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1101]


Are these the imminent problems you are alluding to? Copied from your earlier post:

There's also something much much bigger just round the corner; a big trial involving one of their main donors, r*SSian money and corruption and their party leader's name will be much mentioned regarding campaign funding. This will get a lot of attention.

I don't know how much you read of the news, but America recently elected a guy that a grand jury in NY found guilty on 34 felony counts.

The person in question, also holds the unique distinction of being impeached TWICE by the US House of Representatives.

To top it all off - some courts here would like to argue that he incited one of the only coup attempts in US history.

All of the above - has not prevented Mr. Trump from being elected.

-//--

If you think British voters will turn their nose at Farage's odious associations - you may be engaged in some self deception.

News / Was Charlie Kirk popular in Poland? [530]


I don't know man.

My anal sphincter clenches every so slightly, upon learning my pilot is black or a woman.

I like to think of myself as a pretty progressive fella - but I would still rather have the white guy fly me.

News / Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 25 [1150]


Why not write: "100,000 violations"?

These Russian violations were so egregious, that between 2014 and 2022 Ukraine actually managed to retake several important villages.

Yes - you read that right - UKRAINE GAINED TERRITORY BETWEEN 2014 AND 2022.

This was the most humiliating and enraging aspect of the West's constant finger wagging at us - for supposedly not abiding by the agreement.

We violate the ceasefire - but Ukraine magically regains territory. How does that work in your mind? How is that logically possible?

-//-

In addition to leading a quiet "shadow war" for 8 years - Ukraine:

1) Did not decentralize as promised. No meaningful autonomy was given to provincial administrations - except in the budget sphere. Paradoxically - this reform was actually great for Ukraine - to the extent it was implemented.

2) Did not remove bans on Russian language instruction, broadcasting, etc.

3) Always refused to talk to our guys in Donetsk and Luhansk - claiming they are illegitimate. They only wanted to talk to the Kremlin. This... despite it saying clearly within the document that they are to work with the folks in Donetsk and Luhansk.

-//-

Minsk was the condition of Russia stopping the assault.

What we got for it - was didn't squat.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1101]


Clearly that's not what he is arguing.

But it also doesn't mean that shifting sentiments in the present, have no bearing on future elections.