peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
So who suffered most under the Holocaust, if it wasn't the Jews?
So who suffered most under the Holocaust, if it wasn't the Jews?
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
You are someone what entirely deluded. Third time on the same page, I'll repeat this.
But aren't listening or discussing this with me - are you?
You have never once even acknowledged the existence of the people who suffered most under the holocaust: to you they apparently do not even exist.
You are someone what entirely deluded. Third time on the same page, I'll repeat this.
But aren't listening or discussing this with me - are you?
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
I agree with you, its was only some.
But you better get a handle on you attitude to numbers
How many millions of dead are worthy of a word Harry? How many would be worthy of a the word?
Does it have to be three million? Six Million dead is only good enough, eh? anything less doesn't count?
Five million Nine Hundred and Ninety-Nine Thousand? Nope, unworthy dead.
The truth of the matter is that some Jews greeted the Red Army with joy
I agree with you, its was only some.
But you better get a handle on you attitude to numbers
if a million dead Poles is worthy of the word holocaust
How many millions of dead are worthy of a word Harry? How many would be worthy of a the word?
Does it have to be three million? Six Million dead is only good enough, eh? anything less doesn't count?
Five million Nine Hundred and Ninety-Nine Thousand? Nope, unworthy dead.
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
Thats the crux, they were communists weren't they? Its besides the point that the example you gave - the assailants were unknown - you just **** stirred.
BTW, on your favorite word - Liar
So how do you come to this warped conclusion?
"Just as Polish 'soldiers' from organisations such as NSZ hunted down Jews and murdered them."
Thats the crux, they were communists weren't they? Its besides the point that the example you gave - the assailants were unknown - you just **** stirred.
BTW, on your favorite word - Liar
genocide is genocide no matter the victims
So how do you come to this warped conclusion?
Poles and clearly want us to completely ignore the people who suffered more than anybody in the Holocaust.
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
Travel / Pot in Poland for tourists [285]
Sorry, it wasn't aimed at you but the newly unbanned Wroclaw Boy.
Good luck but I wouldn't expect to find any, there is a lot of Police around there.
It wasn't meant as a wisecrack.
Sorry, it wasn't aimed at you but the newly unbanned Wroclaw Boy.
but we can take a walk around the old town maybe and see what we can spot or smell out.
Good luck but I wouldn't expect to find any, there is a lot of Police around there.
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
You brought up the subject of Poles killing communists.
So are you going to promise to stop you habit of posting vaguely related issues, solely for the purpose of causing racial strife?
I've said many times, the holocaust includes both catholics and Jews killed by Nazi's and Communists. I want you to acknowledge that genocide is genocide no matter the victims and give the catholics the same respect that the Jews deserve.
Nazis's and Communists are the same and should be treated the same, I find it unacceptable that you defend communism and the Hammer and Sickle. Why do you find it so difficult to acknowledge that the Communists were as bad as the Nazi, no family history of Communism is there?
a) That's off-topic.
You brought up the subject of Poles killing communists.
So are you going to promise to stop you habit of posting vaguely related issues, solely for the purpose of causing racial strife?
Claiming that the Holocaust was actually committed by communists
I've said many times, the holocaust includes both catholics and Jews killed by Nazi's and Communists. I want you to acknowledge that genocide is genocide no matter the victims and give the catholics the same respect that the Jews deserve.
Nazis's and Communists are the same and should be treated the same, I find it unacceptable that you defend communism and the Hammer and Sickle. Why do you find it so difficult to acknowledge that the Communists were as bad as the Nazi, no family history of Communism is there?
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
So you are denying the Holocaust.
Claiming that there was a 'double holocaust' is very simply not telling the truth.
So you are denying the Holocaust.
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
Travel / Pot in Poland for tourists [285]
What sort of moron thinks he can ask in a public forum for the best place to buy illegal drugs.. and expect an answer.
Krakow isn't Amsterdam.
What sort of moron thinks he can ask in a public forum for the best place to buy illegal drugs.. and expect an answer.
Krakow isn't Amsterdam.
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
Here you go again.
Do you agree that the Communist committed genocide against the Poles in 1939-1941?
I think
Here you go again.
Do you agree that the Communist committed genocide against the Poles in 1939-1941?
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
You don't think a million dead Poles is worthy of the word holocaust? A Jewish friend of mine describe it as such.
Now try give an answer instead of a insult, Communist.
Still waiting for you to support your claim that the holocaust was committed by communists (read: 'Jews') against Poles.
You don't think a million dead Poles is worthy of the word holocaust? A Jewish friend of mine describe it as such.
Now try give an answer instead of a insult, Communist.
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
Here have a read here about the 1.7million deported in 1939-1941
derekcrowe.com/post.aspx?id=31
stephendanko.com/blog/313
I await your rebuttal that the Soviets committed genocide against the Poles.
Here have a read here about the 1.7million deported in 1939-1941
derekcrowe.com/post.aspx?id=31
The truth is, the odyssey of the Polish people after the Soviet occupation was not forgotten. It was hushed up by the West.
As the Soviets rounded up the officers of the Polish military to be later executed in the Katyn Forest Massacre, 1.7 million Polish citizens including the families of the officers, shopkeepers, and even entire villages that resisted Soviet authority were herded onto cattle trains and sent to Siberia, Kazakhstan, and remote regions of Russia.
Of the 1.7 million Poles sent to the work camps in the Soviet Union, only about 500,000 are known to have survived. Many of the survivors tried to forget these horrible years and later in life refused to talk about the experience at all. In all, over 6 million Poles died during World War II at the hands of the Germans or the Soviets.
As the Soviets rounded up the officers of the Polish military to be later executed in the Katyn Forest Massacre, 1.7 million Polish citizens including the families of the officers, shopkeepers, and even entire villages that resisted Soviet authority were herded onto cattle trains and sent to Siberia, Kazakhstan, and remote regions of Russia.
Of the 1.7 million Poles sent to the work camps in the Soviet Union, only about 500,000 are known to have survived. Many of the survivors tried to forget these horrible years and later in life refused to talk about the experience at all. In all, over 6 million Poles died during World War II at the hands of the Germans or the Soviets.
stephendanko.com/blog/313
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
I await your rebuttal that the Soviets committed genocide against the Poles.
But then what can we expect from a man who claims that the communists (read: 'Jews') carried out the holocaust against Poles?
I await your rebuttal that the Soviets committed genocide against the Poles.
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
Sorry, but Harry deserves what he gets. He dishes out half truths an lies to stir trouble while being economical with the truth about his own political agenda. This has gone on for years, he never wastes the opportunity to start an argument about the sins of the past.
Straw man? "outspoken interlocutor ". He calls anyone who contradicts his one sided comments a Liar, liar,liar, Nazi. liar, Jew Hating liar. He uses Ad-hominem attacks all the time.
Do you really think what Harry is doing is good for Polish-Jewish relationships? Peddling half the story about what Poles did to Jews while ignoring the motivation and actions from both(all) sides.
The fact is, what happened was not black and white and endless mulling over and arguing about it will not undo it. The holocaust happened, the communist invaded, a lot of killing went on. Whose fault was it? Hitler and Stalin's. Was it the responsibility of anybody who is alive today? No.
What he is doing, stirring ****, is doing exactly the opposite of what he thinks he going to achieve. Its racist incitement, raking over the past for instances of injustice which cannot be proven, either way. All its going to do is increase hate, not understanding.
I want this sort of thread banned, life goes forwards not backwards.
Sorry, but Harry deserves what he gets. He dishes out half truths an lies to stir trouble while being economical with the truth about his own political agenda. This has gone on for years, he never wastes the opportunity to start an argument about the sins of the past.
Straw man? "outspoken interlocutor ". He calls anyone who contradicts his one sided comments a Liar, liar,liar, Nazi. liar, Jew Hating liar. He uses Ad-hominem attacks all the time.
Do you really think what Harry is doing is good for Polish-Jewish relationships? Peddling half the story about what Poles did to Jews while ignoring the motivation and actions from both(all) sides.
The fact is, what happened was not black and white and endless mulling over and arguing about it will not undo it. The holocaust happened, the communist invaded, a lot of killing went on. Whose fault was it? Hitler and Stalin's. Was it the responsibility of anybody who is alive today? No.
What he is doing, stirring ****, is doing exactly the opposite of what he thinks he going to achieve. Its racist incitement, raking over the past for instances of injustice which cannot be proven, either way. All its going to do is increase hate, not understanding.
I want this sort of thread banned, life goes forwards not backwards.
peterweg
5 Jul 2012
Travel / Pot in Poland for tourists [285]
There is no such thing as 'Free Speech'. Not in a web forum, certainly - its a private place.
>>1. Should foreign tourists coming to Poland be concerned that indviduals like "4 eigner" or perhaps lthe moderators of this forum,
Both based in the US, so subject to their morals and laws.
There is no such thing as 'Free Speech'. Not in a web forum, certainly - its a private place.
>>1. Should foreign tourists coming to Poland be concerned that indviduals like "4 eigner" or perhaps lthe moderators of this forum,
Both based in the US, so subject to their morals and laws.
peterweg
4 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
Harry, how is that possible?
Russia Invaded Poland in 17th September 1939.
Almost immediately, over a million were deported to Siberia death camps where two thirds died in two years.
Secular Jews were deeply involved in the Russia Communist revolution, Commissars were very often ethnically Jewish
Hence, atheist, russian Communist 'Jews' committed Genocide against the Poles.
Your response has been
Claim that Communism was a political belief.
That killing Jews because of this 'political belief' was Nazism
That the Hammer and Sickle is 'harmless'
That the Russia death camps were ..not death camps.
Tell me how all this is funny.
Try and tell me its not true.
But it's hardly surprising to see you claiming that a laughable text is true, given that it presents the Jews in the worst possible light.
Harry, how is that possible?
Russia Invaded Poland in 17th September 1939.
Almost immediately, over a million were deported to Siberia death camps where two thirds died in two years.
Secular Jews were deeply involved in the Russia Communist revolution, Commissars were very often ethnically Jewish
Hence, atheist, russian Communist 'Jews' committed Genocide against the Poles.
Your response has been
Claim that Communism was a political belief.
That killing Jews because of this 'political belief' was Nazism
That the Hammer and Sickle is 'harmless'
That the Russia death camps were ..not death camps.
Tell me how all this is funny.
Try and tell me its not true.
peterweg
4 Jul 2012
Food / What's more popular in Poland beer or vodka? [55]
Agreed, breakfast is a very special occasion in Poland.
Vodka is a special-occasion libation.
Agreed, breakfast is a very special occasion in Poland.
peterweg
4 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
The Communists deported a large portion of the Polish population long before the Soviet Union was invaded.Pretty hard to be guilty of helping the nazi's when you are incarcerated in Archangle.
Until 1941 Poles were a main target for the Nazis
The Communists deported a large portion of the Polish population long before the Soviet Union was invaded.Pretty hard to be guilty of helping the nazi's when you are incarcerated in Archangle.
peterweg
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
The topic being a senseless discussion of which dead people did things to other dead people, for reasons we don't even understand, in the distant past.
But I fear we're getting too far off topic now.
The topic being a senseless discussion of which dead people did things to other dead people, for reasons we don't even understand, in the distant past.
peterweg
3 Jul 2012
History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]
Jewish Autonomous Oblast
Its 50% bigger than Israel, only 1% of the population is Jewish. Looks like its has good natural resources and climate. I'd have it..
Jewish Autonomous Oblast
Its 50% bigger than Israel, only 1% of the population is Jewish. Looks like its has good natural resources and climate. I'd have it..
peterweg
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
Your favorite word and technique.
Why, so I could be as Holy as Thou?
Funnily enough, being dead is just as dead if it takes 24 hours or a year. The communist were experts at it and its gives communist apologists a great excuse- oops sorry they all died of natural causes while building a railway/road in -45c temps.
Nazi's did it quicker but the Communists did is better and more efficiently.
a liar?
Your favorite word and technique.
But do tell us what you decide to volunteer your services to Poland.
Why, so I could be as Holy as Thou?
The AR death camps had death rates of approximately 99% per day: as in 99% of the people who got off the trains were dead within 24 hours.
Funnily enough, being dead is just as dead if it takes 24 hours or a year. The communist were experts at it and its gives communist apologists a great excuse- oops sorry they all died of natural causes while building a railway/road in -45c temps.
Nazi's did it quicker but the Communists did is better and more efficiently.
peterweg
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
Of course, if the Communists did it it was a holiday camp. Dying was just a 50-50 game of chance.
Yes, Harry, evidence please, after all you are making accusations, you will need to back them up.
Sorry but the difference between a death camp and any other type of camp is vast.
Of course, if the Communists did it it was a holiday camp. Dying was just a 50-50 game of chance.
any links that link NSZ with those "murders"?
Yes, Harry, evidence please, after all you are making accusations, you will need to back them up.
peterweg
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
Death rates of 50% per year.
Quote -
Explain this? Are you saying millions of Poles voted for the Communist invasion of Poland in 1919 and 1939 (and 1944)? I'd like to see the election results.
Harry, what year did you decide to volunteer your services to Poland? Wasn't during the Communist era was it? Came over to support your comrades :)
. In such circumstances I would not split hairs and start deliberating whether this would be a labour camp, a death camp, or a concentration camp.
Death rates of 50% per year.
Either quote me saying that or apologise for lying about me saying it.
Quote -
I'm not sure that that statement is one of such ignorance that I want to cry or such a bare-faced lie that I want to laugh out loud.
So you support the slaughter of millions of Poles. Interesting.
Explain this? Are you saying millions of Poles voted for the Communist invasion of Poland in 1919 and 1939 (and 1944)? I'd like to see the election results.
Harry, what year did you decide to volunteer your services to Poland? Wasn't during the Communist era was it? Came over to support your comrades :)
peterweg
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
Harry, so you deny that communists killed millions of catholic Poles, Ukrainians and others? The holocaust only happened to YOUR people eh? Everybody else doesn't count? Millions of catholic Poles were sent to death camps by the communists.
They were exterminated by the Communists, it was part of the Holocaust, killing catholics and Jews alike.
You ignore that the Communists INVADED and OCCUPIED Poland. Killing an invader or its supporters is not only justified, its justified under UN Law, the right to defend yourself.
You just love you lies and half truths don't you.
Harry, so you deny that communists killed millions of catholic Poles, Ukrainians and others? The holocaust only happened to YOUR people eh? Everybody else doesn't count? Millions of catholic Poles were sent to death camps by the communists.
They were exterminated by the Communists, it was part of the Holocaust, killing catholics and Jews alike.
You ignore that the Communists INVADED and OCCUPIED Poland. Killing an invader or its supporters is not only justified, its justified under UN Law, the right to defend yourself.
decided to lie
such a bare-faced lie
such pathetic lies
You just love you lies and half truths don't you.
peterweg
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
I said IF he was a Communist, killing was justified. You have to prove who murdered him and why, he was shot through a door... proving it was murder would be difficult. You have to justify your slander by proving his was killed, by the NSZ and that he ws killed for being Jewish, not for being a Communist. good luck with that, and it won't stand up in a liable court anyway.
Killing communists is NOT Nazi. Communist committed Holocaust in Poland, they committed genocide against the Polish and other people. Nazi's and Communist's are identical, in fact as you must well know the communists killed far more than the Nazi's
How more odious are your views, defending Communist and Nazi's ifthey are Jewish. Try and deny thats racist.
And how can he be Jewish is he is a Communist? Its fundamentally at odds with atheistism.
Yeah, funny Israel had no such problem with killing Nazi's. Killing Nazi's and Communists isn't because of their 'political beliefs', its because their are empire building, racist, genocidal murderers.
Apparently THE USA doesn't mind killing Communists for their 'political beliefs'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg
Neither does most of the western world
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
Including Britain, Killing Communists =Good
Now whats the Korean phrase they taugh GI's ?
당신이 유대인의 경우 당신을 죽일 수 없어.
You are the one who seems to wish to justify his murder, it will be for you to establish whether he was a communist.
I said IF he was a Communist, killing was justified. You have to prove who murdered him and why, he was shot through a door... proving it was murder would be difficult. You have to justify your slander by proving his was killed, by the NSZ and that he ws killed for being Jewish, not for being a Communist. good luck with that, and it won't stand up in a liable court anyway.
Killing communists is NOT Nazi. Communist committed Holocaust in Poland, they committed genocide against the Polish and other people. Nazi's and Communist's are identical, in fact as you must well know the communists killed far more than the Nazi's
How more odious are your views, defending Communist and Nazi's ifthey are Jewish. Try and deny thats racist.
And how can he be Jewish is he is a Communist? Its fundamentally at odds with atheistism.
Killing someone for their political beliefs is exactly what led to much of the trouble in Europe during the 20th century.
Yeah, funny Israel had no such problem with killing Nazi's. Killing Nazi's and Communists isn't because of their 'political beliefs', its because their are empire building, racist, genocidal murderers.
(in this case that it is entirely acceptable to murder a Jew due to their supposed political beliefs)
Apparently THE USA doesn't mind killing Communists for their 'political beliefs'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg
Neither does most of the western world
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
Including Britain, Killing Communists =Good
Now whats the Korean phrase they taugh GI's ?
당신이 유대인의 경우 당신을 죽일 수 없어.
peterweg
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
Can you provide proof of that slanderous statement?
Who killed him is disputed. Was he a communist? if so his murder is entirely justified.
Such a pity that your hatred of Jews is so strong that it blinds you to the truth about what some Poles did.
Can you provide proof of that slanderous statement?
Leon Feldhendler was an enemy of Poland
Who killed him is disputed. Was he a communist? if so his murder is entirely justified.
peterweg
2 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
And whose fault is that? The world is a harsh place, go back a few thousand years and our ancestors would have probably eaten any foreigners they found wandering the countryside.
How did the Jews end up stateless?
(largely due to the status quo in the majority of places and times involved Jews getting the shiitty end of the stick).
And whose fault is that? The world is a harsh place, go back a few thousand years and our ancestors would have probably eaten any foreigners they found wandering the countryside.
How did the Jews end up stateless?
peterweg
2 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [586]
I believe communism is incompatible with Jewish religion. So it would come down to how you define Jewish-ness..
You are misinformed. Jews didn't care for bolshevik ideals.
most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
I believe communism is incompatible with Jewish religion. So it would come down to how you define Jewish-ness..
peterweg
4 Jun 2012
Life / Can no longer receive TVP Info Wrocław on digital DVBT [25]
Nope. I have got a good picture at 14% signal. None of my signals are over 50% and they are all perfect,
Where the box says scrambled the signal is under a consistent 90% which seems to be the minimum for some sort of reception.
Nope. I have got a good picture at 14% signal. None of my signals are over 50% and they are all perfect,
peterweg
4 Jun 2012
Life / Can no longer receive TVP Info Wrocław on digital DVBT [25]
Everyone is receiving these scrambled channels, you will have to buy a Polsat subscription to unscramble them. Nothing to do with your issue... probably not.
Everyone is receiving these scrambled channels, you will have to buy a Polsat subscription to unscramble them. Nothing to do with your issue... probably not.
peterweg
4 Jun 2012
Life / Can no longer receive TVP Info Wrocław on digital DVBT [25]
LOL, Sod the TV, keep eating Cheddar.
Don't blame TVP, its Emitel responsibility entirely.
Actually, all they probably did was boost the signal from Opole. Anything could have changed - the signal may a have been bouncing off a structure that is now gone, or your reciever may refuse to connect to the feeble reflected signal from Wroclaw when it can get a clear signal from another transmitter (which is very close by the way)
Keep scanning, the local weather may not be the issue but that of the ionosphere where radio signals bounce.
LOL, Sod the TV, keep eating Cheddar.
Don't blame TVP, its Emitel responsibility entirely.
Actually, all they probably did was boost the signal from Opole. Anything could have changed - the signal may a have been bouncing off a structure that is now gone, or your reciever may refuse to connect to the feeble reflected signal from Wroclaw when it can get a clear signal from another transmitter (which is very close by the way)
Keep scanning, the local weather may not be the issue but that of the ionosphere where radio signals bounce.