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pawian   
20 May 2012
News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

On the side note, seriously, people should get over the notion that they or anybody else is or can ever be impartial.

Exactly.

Only our PF mods are impartial.

Such trivial thing but still some don't get it i.e. Iron, but I'm not going to elaborate since he is now suspended.

Alli, you are a person of honour.

I always thought that he is a despicable person and politician.

I tended to forgive him all his previous pranks and antics because I believed he still controlled it. But the way he let the PiS-oriented reporter provoke him into such a silly reaction seriously tarnished his image in my eyes. He should allow an expert to see into his disturbed state of mind.

More or less the same I think about Stankiewicz.

Yes, she practises cheap journalism for simpletons.

To be honest, she is as maniacal as most PiS leaders/members:

PO always seemed to me like a patchy party with very different people in respect of their opinions, political platforms and culture. T

It is their great asset and a weakness, too. But more an asset, I suppose.
pawian   
20 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

I will fight for it, and die if necessary, but I will not starve for it.

Eternal Polish dilemma:
Norwid said: Poles are a great nation, but hopeless society.

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You have to remember that what you are describing is the present situation, but in 15-20 years time what is fact and reality now will be very different from today. Just to give you an illustration, compare Poland to how it looked like 20 years ago, and think how it will look like 20 years from now.

Well said.

Even people who hate PiS, Palikot and so on, intend to go to vote against PO. For whom we'll vote it is a secondary matter, at best.

Aliens?

Warszawette: unemployment rate is close to 14%

Well actually it closer to 12% to be exact

Hague, let`s stop for a while because we might be accused of mobbing...... :):):):)
pawian   
19 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

We "wykształciuchy" are giving up on PO just about now.

Nope. "The Educated" will always stick to PO. :):):):)

Why?

Because they are intelligent. And they perfectly realise what PiS and other "uneducated" forces might do to Poland if they take power again, God forbid.

But how would you know, when all your knowlage about Poland comes from TV and newspapers...

:):):):)

You forgot magazines and the radio. :):):):)
pawian   
19 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

Pawian, 2050? Are you crazy? I refuse to suffer today because some decades from now, "maybe", just "maybe", it bring something good.

That is very selfish of you. Stop being so egoistic. Think about your country. Don`t you love Poland?

So better we consume it today, instead of leting the government to waste it tomorrow.

As I said, the policy of carpe diem is exciting, but harmful in the long run.

Anyway, no one I know is going to vote for PO ever again.

Probably, you know the wrong people. Don`t worry - one day you will meet the right ones.

To help you recognise them more easily:

PIS Poland

Law and Justice Party won the most votes among voters with basic schooling and vocational education . Voters with secondary and post-secondary education , as well as licencjaci and higher educated in the majority voted for the PO - according to data from TNS for TVP and TVN 24 .
pawian   
19 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

I can tell you that most Poles are against it.

Yes, of course, it is natural. I know my compatriots. P:):):):)

the current government shall take care of it in a few months so

Do you wanna bet your new government won`t do anything about it? :):):):)

Like I said, it's purely ideology and not pragmatic. Do Tusk and co. know what goes on in the real world? Nope!

Yes, I agree, Tusk and PO are not pragmatic. Instead of flattering people to make sure they will be voted for at next elections, they are introducing the reform what has an immediate negative result in recent polls.

Yes, probably Tusk and co. don`t know what is going on in the real world but they know what is going to happen in Poland in the future.

Let me present a link to a site where you may learn that by 2050 Poland will have lost a few million workforce due to deteriorating demographics.

knaw.academia.edu/MargaPeeters/Papers/1331546/A_global_view_on_demographic_pressure_and_labour_market_participation

Therefore, such claims

Personally I don't mind working until death if my health let me but who shall hire me when I'm .... 65 ? ;). When we read ads for ex secretaries in Poland, we realize that past let's say 32, women are considered "too old" ;).

Old people in Poland usually look like wrecks, have very poor health so working until 67 does not make any sense.

might be valid today but most probably will be completely useless in 2040. Experts alarm that due to tragic workforce shortages, even 75 year old secreteries will be looked for by employers.

All in all:
My second piece of advice to you (in different words and in bold, in case you didn`t understand the first piece): stop being so concentrated on the present, think about the future too. Carpe diem is a nice attitude to adopt by an individual but very dangerous to the overall prosperity of the country.
pawian   
19 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

Very interesting but please do not copy what you find on the net without checking accuracy and compare what is comparable -

I am afraid that your request also refers to you. You read posts without checking the real message and as a result you draw wrong conclusions.

As to Poland (where I live) putting retirement age at 67 is completely absurd and only motivated by ultra liberal ideology.

You should go back to those posts which inform readers that the retirement reform in Poland is going to start in 2013 and last till 2040.

Therefore, such claims as

Not only most Poles at that age, if still alive, look like ruins but also the labor market does not enable to keep workers longer as there is no work. Officially the unemployment rate is close to 14% (higher than the average in UE) and how much would it be if those millions of Poles did not flee their country for bread?

might sound valid today but in 2040 they will most probably be completely useless.

Those politicians don't know anything about labor market.

Yes, quite possible, but they have money with which they hire experts to predict what is going to happen in the nearest and distant future.

One piece of advice - don`t be so focused on today. You should also look into future.

PS. Grześ, sorry, I can`t read your last post because I decided to put you on ignore. Talking to you is senseless - a complete waste of time. You are like your boss - an economic conman and pretender. Bye, bye. :):):):):)
pawian   
19 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

Now it is cristal clear that you are a total ignorant

Nope. I know what I am talking about. And you also know it because I don`t suppose you are really so stupid. You just prefer to play childish games, because you are unable to run a rational discussion.

Another link, this time in English. I hope you will be able to read that data.

stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DatasetCode=LEVEL

PS. I just remembered you support Korwin Mikke and advocate his economic ideas here. I understand now why he boasts 1% support from voters at each elections. :):):):):)
pawian   
18 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

and in your opinion that's due to a fact that Polish employees "lose too much time at work",

Sorry, if you can`t understand Polish in the article from my link, it is your problem. I am not going to translate it for you.

How about shooting yourself after all, to spare us time and trouble? :):):):)
pawian   
18 May 2012
Life / Old Polish (Russian) Films [9]

Your crazy. :):):):):)

But thank you anyway.

Do you know if the version which was dubbed in Polish is available?

It is, I am sure, but the holder of such a version is still unknown. Sorry. Only Russian versions are available online.

Also, can this be put on a DVD somehow

You can copy films from youtube - there are many ways - one of them: youtube.com/watch?v=rPVg0V86DZg

BTW, my husband is a violin player :)

Just like me. Give warm regards to your hubby.

My husband also said it might have been called "Pożegnanie Ojczyzny"? Is maybe the version in Polish?

Yes, it is the Polish title, but of the polonaise by one of Ogiński family, not of the film:



My husband also said it might have been called "Pożegnanie Ojczyzny"? Is maybe the version in Polish?

I found the song

performed by Belarussian singers

First in Russian

then in Polish at 2.28

youtube.com/watch?v=GxpxE6kJRAI

Incredibly inspiring.

The text: ch.tarczewski.free.fr/pivot/polonez.pdf
pawian   
18 May 2012
News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

thats nothing unusual, if some doesn't want be film they can object.

Unfortunately, in Poland, politicians may be filmed or taken photos of in public places without limitations.

The fourth power is the term applied to media.
pawian   
17 May 2012
Love / Polish women are the most beautiful in the world! [1718]

Come on, that`s ridiculous.

Admit you are saying this boolshyt to provoke a good laugh. :):):):):)

Thanx, we will save on doctors.

PS. OK, some Ukrainian women are almost as pretty as Polish ones.
pawian   
17 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

Do I really need to explain such things? It is explained in the article. 67% compared to 178%.

OK, if you need a simpler explanation, here you are:

What the Poles are doing at work - the case of corporate slackers.

In the light of recent studies of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which brings together the most developed countries of the world, the Poles occupied 2nd place in terms of the amount of time spent at work. Ahead of us, are only workers from South Korea.

Thing is exactly the opposite in terms of productivity. Poles are in this category on the penultimate place. Less productive are only Mexicans. Is the reason for the low productivity - despite many hours spent at work - still present mentality, born in the time of communism or poor work organization? One reason for this situation is certainly too little involvement, insufficient to carry out their duties and doing everything except the task assigned by supervisor.

managernaobcasach.pl/aktualnosci/gospodarka/1451-co-polacy-robia-w-pracy-czyli-rzecz-o-firmowych-obibokach.html

I wonder what you will say to it.

An honorable guy, according to the pre-war honour code, would apologise and then shoot oneself. :):):):)

Are you such a guy? :):):):)

If yes, you should know that I was joking about the killing part. Apology will be enough.
pawian   
17 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

OK, "darling", go for it !

Yes, that's obvious.

Now please kindly explain that part about "us" losing too much time at work. I hope to hear from you soon !

Sooner than you thought:

Is that all what you can spout on the issue?

If yes, it is pathetic, indeed. Are you an ignorant?

Grzesiu, what is wrong with you? You got lost in life or something?
pawian   
17 May 2012
News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

I don't recall him claiming that he is impartial.

I am!:):):)

Look how a notable PO politician attacks a TV reporter (PiS fan) who was filming him and trying to pry out an interview. The guy really should undergo some kind of therapy.

Get out of here or I`ll break your camera!
pawian   
17 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

No, darling, I can easily prove that YOU are ignorant about Polish matters.

The efficiency in Poland, lower than in well-developed countries, has been a problem for many years, despite it constant rise since 1989. Poland - 67%, Germany - 106%, Luxemburg -178% of European average.

And in case you have problems with understanding the relation between efficiency (which you call productlivity) and wages/salaries, I advise you to read a few articles about it.

If you know Polish enough, you can start with this text, just excellent for simpletons:
pawian   
17 May 2012
Life / Old Polish (Russian) Films [9]

You probably mean Polonez Ogińskiego. Yes, I saw this Soviet film in late 70s. Gripping. I will never forget the scene when Germans burn the captured partisan`s chest with a burner.

Download it here:
chomikuj.pl/elzaz/FILM+ROSYJSKI/Polonez+Ogi*c5*84skiego+%28*d0* 9f*d0*be*d0*bb*d0*be*d0*bd*d0*b5*d0*b7+*d0*9e*d0*b3*d0*b8*d0*bd*d1*81* d0*ba*d0*be*d0*b3*d0*be%29,1462473300.avi%28video%29

I know it 's not a lot to go on but...

It was a lot.

I forgot to add that the film was very popular in Poland because it features a Polish hero (played by a Polish actor) who saves the boy .

The final scene when they meet many years after the war was very moving. I always cried when I watched it as a boy. My mother also cried when she watched how the boy plays the violin. Her greatest dream was to turn me into such a violinist. I tried hard in the music school, but had to give up due to unexpected circumstances.

At 1.22.00
youtube.com/watch?v=zs7CBgo-H1g

I will never forget the scene when Germans burn the captured partisan`s chest with a burner.

At 1.06.50
pawian   
16 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

to be honest sweetie I don't care what you have to say about me. I come to conclusion some time ago that you are just an idiot.

2. Posters should refrain from using abusive or derogatory language (unless it's necessary to explain the language's nuances). Posters who use abusive or derogatory language towards other users may be banned.
pawian   
14 May 2012
News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

Thank you for you care about my image pawian, I deeply touched!

Actually, I care about Poland and Poles, not you personally.

Because you admit that you are Polish and when strangers read you, what image of a Polish person do they get?

I think Pollack jokes should be disappearing gradually, instead of being fuelled.

Think about it.
pawian   
14 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

that is some political website of Micheal Goldfarb ....phew!?

And?

If you want another source on Sweden, here you are - a Swedish site in English:

thelocal.se/31922/20110208/

I have provided correct data

Nope, you didn`t. Your info on Sweden was false.

And you also abstained from providing any links to your sources.

On top of that all, you are constantly lying.

Bad Iron.
pawian   
14 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

Again Sweden - 61, although law allows to work those who want till 67, freely chosen !!!

Interesting that you provide such data while I provide this:

It is not a pure coincidence that the economies of Sweden, Norway and Denmark are in better shape than those of Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal. The big difference in retirement age plays a big role. Sweden's statutory retirement age is 65 and the actual exit age, which is lower due to various early retirement schemes, is 64.3 according to Eurostat's most recent figures. That is the highest in the EU.

From an article August 2011

globalpost.com/dispatch/news/business-tech/debt-crisis/110815/europe-debt-crisis-retirement-age

So, who is wrong?

That is not all.

Earlier this year, Sweden launched a commission to study retirement. "As the life expectancy increases, more people need to work longer than today. Too many leave before turning 65. This is about increasing the actual exit age," said Sweden's Secretary of Social Insurances, Ulf Kristersson. The commission will consider limiting early retirement schemes, raising the age that workers are entitled to keep their jobs from 67 to 69, and further raising the statutory age of retirement. "More people need to work longer than today or the pensions will decrease," Kristersson said.

But the Polish reform will also be introduced for many years. Did you read it al all?:

The government wants to gradually raise the retirement age starting from 2013. Every four months the retirement age will be rise by one month (in other words, rising by a total of three months every year). In this way the target retirement age of 67 will be reached by 2020 for men, and 2040 for women.
pawian   
14 May 2012
News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

Alligator: I would never put word logic and thi

That clearly proves that you don't know what logic is !

Iron, could you quit those childish replies and personal remarks, especially when you run into somebody superior in intellect and powers of reasoning?

They add nothing to the discussion but greatly spoil your image here( the matter if it can be spoiled any further is debatable).

You remind me of banned Sokrates a lot. The same silly reactions.
pawian   
12 May 2012
News / The Political Circus of Poland [309]

Brawls in Sejm and outside.

During yesterday`s debate on retirement age, Donald Tusk mentioned the deceased President, Lech Kaczyński, who supported the reform a few years ago.

Jarosław Kaczyński rejected it as rubbish, accused Tusk of being Poland`s enemy and compared him to Adolf Hitler.

An unknown MP from the left side of the chamber urged Kaczyński to phone his dead brother for consultation. Kaczyński retaliated saying about unbelievable boorishness and again accused Tusk of provoking bad atmosphere in the Polish political life.

Outside, trade unionists blocked all exits from Sejm, hanged coalition politicians (in effigy) and only let Kaczyński and his men go out. All the rest were in captivity for a few hours. Some coalition MPs tried to get through but they were pushed away and even hit by angry unionists, let alone abused verbally.

Very funny.

"Let the lady goes to the brown-nosers PiS -legislative instruments . Won ! "

"Let the lady goes to the PiS and the brown-nosers PiS compounds have their own" , "get out of here " - these words Deputy Parliament Speaker asked the journalist Ewa Stankiewicz , where on Friday she wanted to talk to him before the Parliament . Not wanting to be filmed , trying to snatch her ​​camera. Deputy does not believe that behaved inappropriately . - I did not say anything vulgar , not behaved aggressively - arms up in a conversation with tvn24.pl .


Poland politics funny

The funniest thing of all is that both main opposition leaders, Kaczyński and Miller, were planning to introduce the retirement reform when they were in power in 2000s. Today they are protesting vehemently. One word of commentary: stinking hypocrites!

PS. Edit: Sorry, it is two words.
pawian   
11 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

A Great success ?

Yes, it is a success of Tusk`s government. And your nonsensical rants can`t change it. :):):):)

Goodnight, Iron. :):):)

Your silly answers always help me realise I am spending too much time in the forum .:):):):)

Thank you for that. :):):):)

Goodnight, Iron. :):):)

Ok, after a good night`s sleep and a few zlotys earned at Saturday courses, I feel like King Kong.

Iron, I am ready for you!

Why don't they ship all people to slavery and than sell the land,

Silly.

Sure, late retirement is standard in Europe eh? Where exactly ?

E.g., Germany, Norway - 67.

UK, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Belgium etc etc - 65.

What about jobs for those old people ?

What about pensions for early pensioners? What if the state won`t be able to finance it like now?

You have no idea about the pension system in Poland. E.g., in the old system, a policeman was entitled to retire after 15 years. Funny, wasn`t it?

Read this article from 2006. It shows how serious the problem was and still is.
wbj.pl/article-32130-bringing-zus-back-to-earth.html

Youthful retirees
With 1.5 million people in early retirement, Poland has the youngest old-age pensioners in the world, and they cost the budget zł.20 billion annually. In 2005, the average man beginning his retirement was 58.7 years old. For women starting their retirement, the average age was 56. According to the projections of the Central Statistical Office, in 2030 people older than 65 will account for 24 percent of society. Currently, the figure is 13 percent.

Someone has to pay into the system in order for retirees to receive their pensions, but the number of those professionally active in Poland continues to shrink. However, instead of finding new ways of putting more people to work, subsequent governments have given in to the demands of various groups of workers, granting them new retirement privileges.

"Miners can opt for early retirement schemes, and as a result they actually get three times more from the social-security system than they put into it while they were still professionally active. Their annual contributions amount to zł.3 billion and they obtain zł.8 billion. I don't question anyone's right to the old-age pension when they reach the right age, but if governments don't change their policy, we risk a breakdown of public finance," warns Mordasewicz.


"I believe that the issue of social insurance is the most urgent problem for the government to solve. With adverse demographic tendencies and more and more groups demanding privileges, the state will finally go bankrupt," Mordasewicz warns.

Robert Gwiazdowski is blunt about the issue: "Since the times of Bismarck, states had difficulties in dealing with these issues. Some cope better, some worse. People have to stop taking for granted the fact that the state is going to support them in their old age and realize that by going on strike and demanding early retirement schemes they actually do it against their children. Finally, people simply have to have more children."


Let`s be frank, experts say the new reform is a very mild one because it is going to prolong the changes for many years.

The government wants to gradually raise the retirement age starting from 2013. Every four months the retirement age will be rise by one month (in other words, rising by a total of three months every year). In this way the target retirement age of 67 will be reached by 2020 for men, and 2040 for women. The Prime Minister emphasises that the reform is to safeguard public finances.

Also minimum wages are higher in Europe like four, six times, Why government is not focusing on align to those standards eh?

Because the efficiency of Polish workers is still lower than in Western Europe. We lose too much time at work. However, wages are higher in the old EU but the cost of living too. Don`t forget it.

Now, I expect rational arguments from you.

Are you able to provide them?

I doubt that.
pawian   
11 May 2012
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]

Despite trade union`s rage and opposition (right wing PiS and left wing SLD) protests,

MPs have voted to adopt amendments to the pension system in Poland, raising the retirement age for men and women, gradually from 2013, to 67 years of age.

It is definitely a great success of the government.

Late retirement is standard in Europe today.
pawian   
10 May 2012
Life / Polish patriotic music! [44]

"Christ ist erstanden" ! I will remember it from the film and the book for ever! :):):):)

youtube.com/watch?v=YoqvUL9_WeE

In the film at 6:28 and 9:03. Polish Bogurodzica at 6.52

"O mój rozmarynie"
"Bywaj dziewczę zdrowe"
"Przybyli ułani"
"Pierwsza kadrowa"
"Rozkwitały pąki białych róż"

Nice collection. My fav is Buds of White Roses.
pawian   
10 May 2012
Life / Polish patriotic music! [44]

Bogurodzica was a Polish battle song in Medieval times:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogurodzica_%28pie%C5%9B%C5%84%29

Bogurodzica (Polish pronunciation: [bɔɡurɔˈd͡ʑit͡sa], Mother of God) is the oldest Polish religious hymn. It was composed somewhere between the 10th and 13th centuries. The origin of the song is not clear.

Polish knights sang it as an anthem before the Battle of Grunwald and during the battle with the Turkish army at Varna in 1444. Bogurodzica also accompanied the coronation ceremonies of the first Jagiellonian kings.


Traditional choir, with text translation



Rock version


pawian   
10 May 2012
Life / Polish patriotic music! [44]

Merged: Polish military and patriotic songs

The most known is Warszawianka: Varsovian:



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pawian   
10 May 2012
Life / Rich man, poor man - today`s Poland [80]

Remove Iceland from the list. Its a country that invents statistics for promotional purposes.

You mean that scandal with creative accounting a few years ago?

But the report was made by Swedes, not Icelanders.

I like these Polish contrasts: