News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]


Yes!

We could just ask our friend Putin to help out.....heh:)

Are you really that stupid? Do you never learn?

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]


That little essay in a german news outlet might then interest you....it's from 2019 as this came up again:


merkur.de/lokales/leserbriefe/im-blickpunkt/deutschland-polen-weltkrieg-reparationen-ostgebiete-12958661.html

...80 years after the beginning of the war, I think it is far exaggerated and inappropriate to make demands on the post-war generations again. Around 1/3 of the Polish territory was once Germany. The value of the real estate of the private and public properties according to today's standards as well as the exploited mineral resources such as the Silesian coal would already constitute an overcompensation of the damage. In addition, there are industrial plants and residential buildings on a considerable scale, which were occupied by Poles without compensation. Germany is the wrong contact person. Poland should turn here to Belarus and the Ukraine, which, as successor states to the Soviet Union, incorporated large areas of Poland and took Silesian coal in the post-war period. For Russia/Belarus/Ukraine, the Hitler-Stalin Pact continues to exist as far as their own territorial claims are concerned. In this respect, it is appropriate for the Federal Government to make a corresponding announcement once and for all. .

As a member of the post-war generation, I don't see it being liable for the misdeeds of my ancestors with the tax money we earned. If Poland doesn't accept that, then Poland and Russia should give us back our territory. Then you can talk about compensation. But not like this. Incidentally, Poland occupied far more than the areas beyond the Oder and Neisse. For example, the areas west of the Oder around the cities of Stettin and Pölitz and the eastern part of the island of Usedom with the city of Swinemünde. If Poland wants to unpack the package, everything has to be put on the table and included. Then the balance for Poland would probably be very bad. It would be better for Poland: keep quiet. ...

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So...I wouldn't be so sure to count on the war guilt of the Germans whereas you keep on to behave like a nutter, an arsehole....just saying!

Putin did invade Ukraine for unresolved territorial questions...Poland to open this can of worms now on it's other side is just plain insane!

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]


Well.....how old is K. now actually? ;)

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]


You subscribe to closure treaties aka waiving....you become a member of the EU (and with that get a gazillion on support monies / alot of that german monies!) and that case ist well and truly closed for good!

You do all that but still come around with some new claims every few years nonetheless is just bad, disingenuous behaviour....

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]


We already had peace and closure...and a common EU membership forbids such claims....but then came K. who just gives a sh*t!

It's not much difference to Putin....one bad apple in power can rot the whole basket!

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]


....I'm not gonna miss him, that's for sure!


He is so bad for german-polish relations....at Twitter they are asking already for the #Ostgebiete back or nutters are calculating that the worth of the territories is so high that Germany could demand monies from Poland back instead etc....

twitter.com/search?q=Ostgebiete&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

*big heartfelt sigh*

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]


....no, this whole question has been closed for good!

If Germany would give in that would open a whole can of international worms which would destroy the EU and in the end the peace.

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]


....again! *sighs* (That isn't the first time)

One could expect a Union to stand together in times of crisis....or not!

....but maybe that is the payback for Germany's now quite stupid hanging on that "Wandel durch Handel" idea?

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]

That's asinine....that will go nowhere and everybody and their grandmom knows that....can we please end it here?

...Germany, on the other hand, sees no basis for Polish claims for reparations. "The position of the federal government is unchanged. The question of reparations is closed," said a spokesman for the Foreign Office on Thursday in Berlin. Poland had already waived further reparations in 1953 and confirmed this waiver several times. »This is an essential basis for the current order in Europe. Politically and morally, Germany stands by its responsibility for the Second World War," the spokesman continued.

spiegel.de/ausland/zweiter-weltkrieg-polen-verlangt-von-deutschland-mehr-als-1-3-billionen-euro-reparationen-a-c65ef94c-b012-4a82-8d63-ae87216dc8c6

This waiving is one of the foundations of the European Union....or otherwise that just wouldn't work. Every country could start going for old grudges and borders...

History / Gorbachev and Poland [63]


People can change....there had always been the hardcore believers and the opportunists.....Gorbatschow was never hardcore. He made career through the means available to him in this place and time.

But as he had to decide he chose the people, not the ideology and not the power...his biggest achievement!

Russia can't be destroyed from the outside, it has to be from the inside...

History / Communist memorials in Poland [50]

...nice and interesting story, thank you!

History / Communist memorials in Poland [50]

Was that a civilian or a war cemetery?

History / Communist memorials in Poland [50]


When was that? Do you know?

History / Communist memorials in Poland [50]

Are there soldiers graves too?

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]


Yeah....here now too:


spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/oder-gift-von-goldalgen-nachgewiesen-a-65897d16-ec26-442d-a00a-25c5c258303f

Analyzes confirm the suspicion that the poison of an algal species widespread in the Oder is behind the fish and mussel deaths. The golden alga is a natural phenomenon, but not in a freshwater river. ....

Now it is clear what was fatal to the animals in the Oder: a species of algae that is native to brackish water, which consists of salt and fresh water. The assumptions about the suspected cause of the mass death of fish, mussels and snails have thus been confirmed the Leibniz Institute for Freshwater Ecology and Inland Fisheries (IGB) on Friday in Berlin. The algae species Prymnesium parvum do not occur in large numbers under natural conditions on the affected river sections. To do this, they need a salt content that can only be caused by industrial discharges. ....

Feedback / The birthday of Polish Forums [30]

Joined 2 Apr 2007

...and always the same username....BEAT THAT!!!! 😎

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]


bz-berlin.de/brandenburg/raetsel-der-vergifteten-oder-geloest-bergbau-konzern-leitete-salzwasser-ein

German and Polish authorities are still puzzling over the reason for the mass deaths of fish in the Oder. Now a Polish politician announces: A Silesian mining company is the possible cause of the ecological catastrophe!

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The mining group KGHM has piped huge amounts of salt water into the Oder near Glogau (Silesia), MP Piotr Borys from the liberal opposition alliance KO reported on Thursday in the Polish daily newspaper "Gazeta Wyborcza".

KGHM mines copper, silver, but also rock salt. Waste water is produced during processing.

After an inspection visit, politician Borys explained: Between July 29 and August 10, large quantities of salt water flowed from the KGHM mines via the Zelazny Most reservoir into the Oder. ...

🥺

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]


focus.de/panorama/welt/focus-online-vor-ort-gestank-und-mysterioese-verfaerbungen-auf-der-oder-mit-den-kadaver-fischern_id_136650822.html

South of Szczecin, the mysterious death of fish in the Oder is getting worse. Volunteer firefighters pull hundreds of kilos of dead zander, pike and whitefish out of the river. Now they also report strange discolorations on the dead fish; and no one can explain them.

Discolorations? Isn't that a sign of poisoning?

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]

The Oder is dead! The river will need up to 15 years to heal again...no words! 😥

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]

...what have our fishies ever done to them!!!!

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]


spiegel.de/panorama/fischsterben-in-der-oder-polen-schliesst-schwermetalle-als-ursache-aus-a-9218c2e7-d499-419f-b8e2-cbe19f5f37ea

....However, the analyzes indicated increased salt levels in the water and thus agreed with the findings of the German authorities, Moskwa told the PAP news agency. »The high salinity of the Oder may have activated other toxic substances in the water or in the bottom sediment. The toxicological analysis of the fish will help identify any contaminants that may have contributed to the deaths of the animals." .....

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]

Poor fishies...I don't wanna know what they had to go through in their last moments! 😔



I really hope they get the culprits! 😠


zeit.de/wissen/2022-08/oder-fischsterben-wasserproben-untersuchungen-salzfrachten

The Polish government promises more than 200,000 euros for information on the perpetrators. German authorities warn that polluted water is reaching the Baltic Sea. ....

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]

....hmmm....it seems Germany installed restrictions as recently as 2020....


pig333.com/latest_swine_news/germany-amendment-to-the-fertilizer-regulation-approved_16161/

...Among the new restrictions on fertilizing in zones declared nitrate vulnerable, (the entry into force of which is postponed until January 1, 2021) are a 20% reduction in the average amount of fertilizer required --> [allowed?] per farm, a limit of 170 kg/hectare and per plot for applying nitrogen from organic fertilizers, the extension of rest periods, as well as a ban on autumn fertilization.....

I don't know about Poland.....but it seems to late for the Oder now anyhow....

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]


....seems like it! :(


zeit.de/wissen/2022-08/oder-fischsterben-wasserproben-untersuchungen-salzfrachten

The investigations into fish kills in the Oder are ongoing. Authorities have found a high amount of salts dissolved in the water and warn of the impact on the Baltic Sea. ....

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]


tagesspiegel.de/berlin/massenhaftes-fischsterben-in-der-oder-polen-setzt-belohnung-fuer-hinweise-zum-taeter-aus/28597674.html

Because of the fish in the Oder , Poland has offered a high reward for information leading to the arrest of a perpetrator. The police have offered a sum of the equivalent of 210,000 euros, said Deputy Interior Minister Marcin Wasik on Saturday in Gorzow Wielkopolski. ....

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]

"Environmental catastrophe of unprecedented proportions"

Fish kills could spread to the Baltic Sea

It is still unclear why masses of fish are dying in the Oder. However, the burdens are apparently spreading further: they could reach the Szczecin Lagoon as early as Saturday evening.

spiegel.de/panorama/fischsterben-bei-frankfurt-oder-umweltkatastrophe-koennte-sich-auf-ostsee-ausweiten-a-d4adb6a8-c463-40fd-8e93-50fb8ef4ff9b

Oh boy..... :(

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]

.....I have read they expect to have answers not before sunday!

News / Ruling PiS party tried to cover up eco disaster in Odra River [88]

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That with mercury was just a guess made by one german politician....nobody knows anything right now, we all wait for that polish institute

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In Germany, there had previously been speculation about mercury contamination of the Oder. The Brandenburg Environment Minister Axel Vogel (Greens) confirmed reports that mercury pollution had been found in the Oder. "But at the moment we can't say that mercury is responsible for the death of the fish," Vogel said.

We don't know at the moment how they really died.

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... So far, the State Research Institute in Pulawy has not received any fish, head Krzysztof Niemczuk told the PAP news agency.

There are so many substances that could have caused fish kills that at this point we cannot say what could be the cause.

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tagesschau.de/inland/tote-fische-in-der-oder-hintergrund-101.html

....it will take YEARS for our river to recover from that, that's for sure!

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]


....na ja....the Danes for example got their minority status because of shifting borders....they stayed where they were only that now new borders made them Germans.

The Germans in what is now Poland (I'm talking Schlesien and Ostpreußen here) deserve their minority status the same. That happens when people find themselves as foreigners in another country without their doing.

Poland expanded westwards mightily...many Germans fled, some stayed.

Poles during the partitions living in the German Reich would had definitely deserved minority status, if such thing had existed back then. Poles after the annexations after WWII surely not. The Poles now in Germany moved there, immigrated...they chose actively to live in another country (or their parents did).

If modern Poles should get minority status, which immigrant wouldn't. Any arab/african muslim immigrant could demand the same....

News / Petition for War Crimes Reparations for Poland [126]

There is still the little question of the "Berlinka".....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlinka_(art_collection)


Why should they? Sorbs in the Lausitz and Danes in Schleswig have it, because they are kinda Natives....Turks and other don't, they are immigrated. Diaspora is a better name....