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So you want a return to the days of marital law. Not only are you talking about PiS getting their boot boys to attack peaceful demonstrations, but you're now also talking about abolishing the Constitution. Treasonous, Communist swine.


Which legislation was crippled? You seem to be making stuff up as you go along.


Constitutional Tribunals are found in plenty of countries. Germany, Serbia, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Hercegovina, Slovenia, France just to name a few.

Do what you want, but we're not going to let a bunch of Putin-loving communists take over Poland.

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Legal government? There was nothing legal about that government in Ukraine. It was deeply corrupt, it had stolen a huge amount of money from Ukraine and sent it abroad and it had absolutely no legitimacy whatsoever. There was widespread fraud in the 2012 elections on behalf of the Party of Regions, and any attempt to claim that it was a "legal government" can only come from someone that is pro-Russia.


Why are you so scared of a Maidan protest against the government? Is it because you know what worked once will work again?


No-one has threatened violence, only your own paranoid PiS supporting fantasies are telling you that. Stop reading the right wing trash with their fantasies of sending the ZOMO boot boys after the opposition. It's unbelievably disturbing that you immediately think that the government will take the boots to the opposition if the protests grow.


"lol" is rather on your part.

Doesn't look like 300 to me.

Try harder.

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What are you on about? The violence at Maidan Square was started by pro-Government forces, who were trained by Russians. Are you seriously trying to suggest that it was the protesters on Maidan Square that killed their own people with snipers?


No-one is threatening any violence except PiS supporters. We understand that your crude Communist mentality involves nothing more than killing demonstrators, but you don't have to make it so obvious.

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What part of "he didn't threaten violence" are you struggling with? He mentioned that there can be a second Maidan if the government doesn't follow the law.

The only people talking about violence are PiS supporters. It says a lot about you - that you're willing to massacre innocent Poles just to keep your political power, exactly like the Communists did. The lies, the smears, the threats of violence - it's exactly what Party of Regions did against the opposition in Ukraine.

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Why would KOD start any violent protest? Just like in Maidan, it was the voice of the people that won the day, not violence. It says a lot about you that you're already thinking about how PiS can use hooligans and thugs to enforce their rule - just like the PZPR and ZOMO. Do we need any more proof that PiS = PZPRbis?


It's already happening. Do keep up.


Schetyna didn't threaten violence. You really ought to stop taking all your knowledge from right wing news portals run by PiS.

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Such crude propaganda. It's the same line being repeated by PiS constantly, that if you're against PiS then you're against Poland.

The reality is that all the opinion polls are showing the same thing - that the majority of Poles have a negative opinion of this government. KOD stands for everyone that is opposed to this crude attempt to seize absolute power in Poland.


KOD isn't going to kill anyone. The fact that you're even thinking about civil war suggests that you're willing to kill Poles to keep PiS in power.

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That sounds remarkably similar to the nonsense that came out of the Party of Regions.

By the way, you might want to catch up on the news, as there's already a permanent protest in place in Warsaw.

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Which begins by following the rulings of the Constitutional Tribunal.

The solution is simple : obey the law. Don't obey the law, and become isolated internationally with support only from Russia. Your move, PiS.


I wondered when you'd bring that up. It was already shown by naTemat that it was yet more blatant manipulation on the part of TVP.

Anyway, we're already seeing the beginnings of a second Maidan in Poland.

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Anyway, as we've all seen, the Venice Commission's decision has been published.

The verdict is damning, and very very different to what was originally claimed after their visit.

The full verdict is here - venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/?pdf=CDL-AD%282016%29001-e

In short : the actions taken by the government endanger democracy and undermine the rule of law. The Venice Commission also added that the refusal to publish the decisions of the Constitutional Tribunal is unprecedented in Europe and that publishing them (and obeying the rulings) is a basic requirement for ending the constitutional crisis.

The European Commission will now also visit in April on the basis of the Venice Commission's report.

It also looks like Obama will not meet Duda in Washington in 3 weeks time, as the US State Department also wants to see PiS obey the rule of law.

Travel / Foosball (Table Football) bars in Krakow ? [14]

I used to play quite a bit in a pub here, though I was never any good at it. I just couldn't master the art of flicking the ball very hard, though I could defend pretty well.

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So you think that someone that gave evidence to the military prosecutors is in the same category as drug dealers, mafia types and terrorists?

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And so, the 6am raids begin, just like we all said it would.

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114871,19750175,gw-policja-o-6-rano-weszla-do-domu-bieglego-ekspert-badal.html#BoxNewsImgZ3


Just so everyone is aware of the symbolism : General Jaruzelski declared the beginning of the martial state at 6am.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Poland#Declaration

Dawn raids were a feaure of Communist life as people were always terrified of the early morning knock on the door. PiS have gone back to that state of affairs.

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Were they actually made in Brighouse, one of the biggest toilets in England?

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Not sure why you're quoting CBOS polls anyway. Any fool can take one look at them and see that something is clearly wrong with their methodology if every other poll is showing far less support for PiS.

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No, not quite. Orban was smart enough to not rock the boat with German interests - the retail tax there was quietly dropped, Fidesz were loyal towards the EPP in the European Parliament, etc etc. He's been playing a very Titoist strategy there with Germany and Russia.

Back on topic please

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Try harder.

budapestbeacon.com/economics/hungarys-budget-deficit-balloons-47-5-percent-in-2015/30774

That huge deficit from 2011 onwards was under Orban. You seem to have problems understanding simple data yourself.

But remember, Orban was sensible enough to keep close to Germany. Poland hasn't been anywhere near as wise.

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A deficit of over 70%. Ouch.

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They're not doing "amazingly well" at all. Orban only survived because he was friends with Merkel in the EPP and understood not to threaten German interests. The country is still in a mess - teachers have gone on strike, schools are badly equipped, there's rampant corruption in healthcare and the country is still incredibly corrupt compared to Poland.


So effectively neck and neck, and that's the CBOS polls that have consistently shown a far bigger lead for PiS than the others.


Last time PiS were in power, they didn't try and pursue a neo-Communist economic agenda.

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That's such a revisionist view of things that it's not even funny.

The Ukrainian National Revival was already in place by the mid 19th century, and the acceptance of an Ukrainian identity was complete by the end of the century. Ruthenian was used by the Polish to try and keep them divided.

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I wonder if he can survive the EU and US making it very clear to him that they expect him to uphold the law and not the rule of the Party.


I'm pretty certain that the priority is cash first for most of them and revenge second. There's no other explanation for the sheer amount of corruption and nepotism already on display.

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I've just read an article about this. expatriate.pl/1mln-ukrainians-to-gain-from-the-polish-500-law/ - I'm pretty sure there will be some major upset once it's discovered that the system is easy to beat and that the government is paying out money to non-EU foreigners. From a political point of view, many Poles will be furious once this is made clear.

Hard to tell with the end game. I could see Morawiecki challenging Kaczyński for the party leadership and the party being torn apart in the process, especially if it becomes clear that his plans aren't being respected.

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That's not really true. Poland more or less used the usual political tricks to try and deny the existence of Ukrainians, and the Ruthenian claim was used to downplay their nationality. Ukrainians more or less abandoned the usage of Ruthenian by end of the 19th century, and the forced "Ruthenian" tag was a political game.

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Actually, come to think of it... a Sorbian state based on Upper+Lower Lusatia and adding in the territory between the Nysa and Odra could have been viable. Hard to say exactly where it should have been, but a line roughly following the Odra until reaching Głógow, then heading south and including Legnica, Lubin and Wałbrzych in "Sorbia" would have given them access to plenty of natural resoures.

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Notice how the usual PiS supporting suspects have nothing to say about the cruelty of PiS slashing milk bar funding by 25% even though they're used by the most vulnerable in society.

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So - ignoring the agenda of PiS, which is pro-Russia in their methods.

Most people are cynical about Russia and don't trust Putin. There's outright hostility from those on the patriotic right through to more pragmatic opinions where people would like to get on with Russia but almost no-one would trust Russia.

However, there's a small but vocal minority of Korwin-Mikke supporters that regard Russia as being worthy of being friends with. These people are vocal, but they tend to be on the margins of society. There's constant murmurings that they're financed by Russia, especially as the resources of Korwin-Mikke's parties are suspiciously large.

There's also a group called "Zmiana" partia-zmiana.pl/ - this party is openly anti-American and pro-Russia. It's almost certainly financed by Russia, although from memory, there's also some suspicious crossover between JKM and Zmiana.

Where it gets murky and interesting was that up until the last few weeks, most of the opposition to the democratic Polish opposition came from Zmiana/Korwin-Mikke activists.

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So you're pro-Russia, then.

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Remember that the opposition is not only PO - in fact, they've been pretty much invisible over the last few months. I certainly wouldn't call PO the current political opposition regardless of the amount of seats in the Sejm.

It was the same story in 2006 - PO went missing while the SLD took up the main role of opposing PiS.

Anyway, a nice little article here.


saveur.com/fight-to-save-poland-milk-bars-warsaw

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"dobra, zimana" is used by the opposition.

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Another day, another excellent example of the "good, change". This is an article talking about how the bank/insurance taxes have hurt us considerably.

natemat.pl/173587,jak-program-500-zlotych-na-dziecko-skubnal-mnie-na-79-zl-w-ubezpieczeniach-kolejny-efekt-pis-drozeja-polisy


Good old socialist economics. In exchange for bribing part of society, everyone loses out in the process. I've got my insurance renewal coming up in a couple of weeks - and I've already just found out that the "good, change" has resulted in my European car breakdown cover going from just over 100zł/year to 300zł - and that's with PZU, the state-controlled insurer.

Meanwhile, this government is going around appointing all their friends and supporters to top, high paying positions - people that won't care if it costs them 300zł instead of 100zł because they're all on ridiculously high salaries. It's communism through and through.

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What, the man who is passionate about Polish restaurants, Polish beer, Polish history and many other Polish things?

I'd call him pseudopatriotphobic, not polonophobic.