News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

@jon357

You're right. 88% Poles wanting to be in eu and three quarter of poles rejecting immigration from me and africa are two different things. One isnt dependent on the other. That's why poland and v4 are still in eu with no plans to leave or be kicked out just as they have no plans to accept massive amounts of unvetted unskilled 3rd world migrants into their sovereign borders.

Last time I checked there were some two hundred special urban zones in France. Same characteristics as no go zones. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

@jon357

Same thing. No go zone special zone Muslim zone malmo molenbeek whatever... Idc what the correct pc term is. Its where terrorism violence crime and poverty breed. The residents know who the radicals criminals and extremists are but refuse to give them up. Then you have Saudis refusing to take in Syrians but gladly donate 200 mil to establish wahabi salafi mosques in Europe. Three quarters of poles don't want em in poland. If eu wants poland to stay and poland wants to stay in eu they'll have to reach a compromise. Same with the other countries that are vehemently against eu forcing unknown unvetted migrants within their sovereign borders.

If you want to look at hatred jon look at what's happened in Europe last week. 4 attacks in 4 different countries. Even moderate Muslims spit on your lgbt rights women's rights freedom of religion freedom of speech. Look what happened in France when a satirist drew a cartoon. Did Christians kill people because some 'artist' made a virgin Mary out of dung or a Jesus cross out of chocolate and call it sweet Jesus? No. It may offend us but we don't go killing people and about praise Jesus while were doing it. Poland has every right to protect itself against such hatred and secure its residents including the over 1 million migrants it took in.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

@jon357

Exactly and Germany can push poland only so far before poland looks elsewhere for partners. I see this type of thing everyday in jnternational business. Billions in deals are made and lost everyday. No different with poland. There's hundreds of other partners they can have. Poland recently even found a huge sugar importer in Israel which they didn't have before.

Except the eu isn't a soccer team. Furthermore its not just one member who's sulking and if a player doesn't want to be a striker hell be defense. Also poland isn't alone. Britain left eu and immigration was among one of the reasons but also economics and loss of sovereignty. The v4 is against certain eu policies. Even Austria and Denmark have now enacted policies to curb migrstion. Eu isn't a one size fits all club. Its a gathering of some 2 dozen different countries each coming with their own problems agendas politics opinions etc. Of course people aren't going to agree 100% of the time. Migration is just one of the many things being debated its just one of the more vocal debates now.

No ones threatened to kick poland out. Idk where you came up with that. Even the potential 2 bill fine was an option that was discussed months ago. If anything the eu lately seems to be more concerned with pis handling of the judiciary than migrants, for now anyway. If poles decide to leave the eu, pay a fine or do whatever its up to them. One thing is clear though poles don't want certain types of migration as proven by CBOS and that's their right as a sovereign nation.

Also no go zones = special urban zones or sez in French. Definitely not a myth. There's several hundred of them. I use sez and no go interchangeably because they describe the same thing - Muslim majority high crime high unemployment areas where the cops and paramedics are scared to go into. Places that get totally destroyed and torched whenever the Muslims riot like during the pro Palestine demonstrations. France has been under a state of emergency for over 2 years and that's a fact.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

Also they can talk tough but if they kick poland out the billions of euros they invested will go bye bye. They know this esp the Germans so they can only push poland so far.

New partnerships and strategic alliances are made and broken daily. And China's looking pretty damn good now. Poland actually signed a rather significant deal with them recently.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

@jon357

Like I said there's other aspects of eu membership aside from a country's migration policy - defense spending, keeping a lid on corruption, etc. Besides we've done our part anyway with accepting 1 mil Ukrainians. Thatd be like saying we should kick every country out of NATO that doesn't immediately spend at least 2% of GDP. Stupid right?

If eu wants to kick poland out thatd up to them and poland. For now no ones threatening to kick poland out. They threatened to suspend Poland's voting rights which wouldn't happen any way because Hungary and v4 have our back. However I don't recall any eu politician saying poland Hungary czechy etc are going to get kicked out. Fined yes but no one said anything about getting kicked out.

Usual suspects? Three quarters of poland have voiced their opinion. They don't want middle eastern or African migrants. And if you're pointing the finger at me do it instead of beating around them bush. I don't hate any group or any people. I specifically said I welcome anyone that is a net benefit to the country. I don't see how masses of unskilled uneducated migrants from the 3rd world creating no go zones (sez's) states of emergency massive riots sharia patrols and terror are good for a country. Educated smart hard working and worldly people don't take part in such things but most the migrants that have come don't fit into this category

Again we didn't invite these people. Merkel did. Poland never had any African or Asian or any other colonies. We were never consulted on this. Besides we've done more than our fair share by taking in 1 mil ukranian migrants and refugees. That's plenty for a country of around 40 mil.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

@jon357

Agreed. Cbos also shows 75% don't support taking in migrants from me and africa. That's their right to decide who to let in and not. Its our country and no one from thousands of kilometers away can tell us what our immigration policy should and shouldn't be. There's many other facets of eu membership other than just migration. This just happens to be one that most poles don't agree with eu policy. It doesn't mean they want to leave the eu over it though necessarily

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

@jon357

Well that's up to polish citizens and their elected officials along with our immigration and security services to decide. If we don't want someone to come in its our right as a sovereign nation.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

@mafketis

Well poles have said that they'll pay the 2 bil fine if it comes down to it.. That comes out to about 200 zloty per person.. Not a big deal (8 bil zloty fine divided by 40 mil). Some have said they'll even leave eu over it. Even when poland and czechy did take migrants in a few years back more than half of em left for Germany anyway. We don't give handouts like Germany here people have to work if they want something. Most the migrants coming into poland are Ukrainians Georgians belarussians and Chechens anyway which we've graciously taken in. Id say our duty is done from the 1 mil Ukrainians we took in alone. We don't get many Tunisian morrocans or Arabs that want to come here. They dont want to go to poland they prefer Germany sweden uk or even France. The majority of poles want to keep their country homogenous and I'm sure they'll go to quite far to keep it that way. Whether it involves leaving eu I don't know. However as far as paying the 2 bil fine knowing poles the way I do they'll go for it. When po said they'd take in a few thousand there were massive protests. That was one of the reasons why they lost so many seats.

Poles and the rest of the v4 are open to European migration but not from the middle east. Poles are very slow and cautious to adopt western ideals and decide what we want and what we don't. We generally tend to reject the things that threaten our culture and traditions but are open to those that don't like women's rights for example. We don't want our culture and traditions to be eroded. Far too many poles have died trying to preserve our borders and our culture. Its a cost benefit analysis and quite frankly Poland doesn't see the benefits of taking in massive amounts of people from the middle east and africa. Poland will even sooner take in sub Saharan africans than Arabs. They're even more open to taking in Eritrean because most are Christian. In Warsaw alone 150k protested against migration from Muslim countries on dzien niepodleglosci. Back in the 90s and early 00s youd almost never see blacks in wroclaw. Now there's quite a few esp from west Africa both tourists and people who have settled down. I've even seen a few west Africans married to poles. U would have never saw that 10 20 years ago. But with Arabs its different poles are simply too afraid after they see what keeps happening in western Europe and they don't want to take the security risk.

Eu has been threatening the v4 for almost 2 years now about the migrant issue and we've stood our ground. More countries are now starting to understand what taking in massive amounts of migrants entails and don't want to do it anymore. Namely Austria and Denmark. Austria said no way when Italy wanted to push 200k migrants through the north. You can bet that Muslim terror attacks won't stop and if anything will increase which will make more and more Europeans weary about accepting masses of unvetted migrants. Then add all the economic costs of losing tourist dollars and taking care of these new people language courses assimilation health care child care etc when most are paying little to no taxes.

Personally I think poland and v4 should just wait it out. Sadly more and more terrorist attacks will occur in conjunction with economic issues and budget deficits exacerbated by mass migration. This will turn people and country's administrations away from accepting more migrsnts and the list of countries who won't want to take in migrants will continue to grow.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

Poles want to stay in EU no disputing that but they're against immigration from middle East and africa. Cbos polls show both are true

Life / How are electric cars doing in Poland? [413]

Yea Poland's a bit behind in the whole ev game. I remember looking at a map of charging stations in Europe and what I recall is in terms of density uk had the most. Hybrids are relatively popular bc of high petrol costs but there's other alternatives some people put lpg some shell out extra for an efficient diesel just depends on what a consumer wants. Typically if an upper middle class pole is going to shell out 40 50 60 grand or more for a car they tend to go w German primarily and British or American 2nd

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

@TheOther

The tiny amount of middle easterners and africans that come to reside in poland tend to be wordly educated and well heeled. They're coming to work, invest, study, etc. Also its up to immigration authorities and such to decide whether to give people residency, work visas, etc. Those types of people in not worried about. I am more concerned with those who refuse to assimilate and just live in no go zones with their soccer team of kids and collecting welfare. The husband may work at some law wage job but would be unable to provide for hisnhuge family without tax payer dollars paying fornhisnwelfsfe and a bunch of other things. Furthermore oftentimes in areas like this unemployment is far higher in no for/sez's than other areas even poor ones. Many of them simply don't want to work or assimilate and the wives almost always are stay st home housewives per islamic tradition. Yet they repay us by committing terror attacks. A lot of these residents know who the radicals are in their neighborhood but won't tell the cops anything. Poland doesn't want to deal with it. We took in over million Ukrainians in just a span of 1 or 2 years and lo and behold no terror attacks... Hmm wonder why? No attacks either from the belarussians Georgians Christians from the middle East west Africans Indians etc. Even the pakis who come to poland are coming to work and jump start their career. But at least in migrants tend to be vetted unlike a policy of come one come all like Germany has and now has to deal with utter craziness that should ve never happened.

Also the few migrants that did come to poland and czechy over half left for Germany anyway.

Poland simply isn't an attractive choice for migrants2 and poles mainly due to their history of being off the map for almost 2 centuries followed by devastation during ww2 followed by communism for some 50 years. We just now are getting on our feet and we don't want terror attacks or states of emergency or enormous sums of tax dollars going to migrants and other problems that western European nations are experiencing. We don't want our culture to be eroded or be forced to take down crosses bc it offends Muslims and our women to be told how to dress because a migrant will sexually assault her and yet blame her for it bc she wasn't covered up. Even school girls are told not to wear skirts in some areas in Germany because the school is close to a refugee camp and they don't want the horny men staying there to assault the girl.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

@delphiandomine

That and the Nazis killed over 90% of polish Jewish according to several sources along w gypsies which also added to the homogeneity. But yes you're right then the Berlin wall and communism pretty much limited migration except for from other commie countries. Quite a few Vietnamese moved to poland and are very assimilated. A lot of em own restaurants (or the property which they lease out to a restauranteur) and they do quite well. Apparently though quite a few were involved in the underground marijuana industry in the 90s and 00s. Don't know of that's still true now.

Life / How are electric cars doing in Poland? [413]

@johnny reb

Yea in terms of electric cars I like teslas a lot. The BMW i8 is very cool too and it would make a fun commuter. The Chevy volt is decent too. I'm not a big fan of Japanese and korean cars with a few exceptions they just seem so flimsy and they skimp out on metalwork esp the frames in Hyundai and kias

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

@TheOther

True. But very very few of those types of people come to poland. If they do they're probably educated rather well heeled and wordly. They're probably coming to study, invest, work, etc. Good for them - They're not like most of the me migrants that have flooded Europe the past few years. They're not coming to live in a shabby apartment with a soccer team of kids and living off the state and just collecting their 400 euros free food free housing free free free because in poland they'll get 80 euros so they don't starve to death and that's it. They gotta work if they want the trappings of a half decent existence just like everyone else. We don't give handouts like Germany. Even Denmark cut their generous welfare towards migrants so thousands of em just packed up and left either to Germany in sweden. Plus I have faith in our polish anti terrorism and immigration forces. Im not too concerned about people like that. If they're hard working and a net benefit to the country idc where they come from whether its Timbuktu or Mosul or Madagascar. Im more concerned about a deluge of unskilled uneducated migrants who don't want to work or assimilate terrorising poland and creating riots no go zones states of emergency terrorist acts etc making life hell for people including poles Ukrainians and who came from the 3rd world settled down and are a net benefit to poland.

@jon357
In poland it will occur very slowly and very cautiously because we don't want to have the issues the west has seen due to recent mass migration from the 3rd world. Poles are very very cautious about this and I doubt well see any less terrorism and other issues in the future. When we hear western elites say terrorism is a part of life in Europe now we refuse to accept such a defeatist attitude and cowardice. Also many of the Muslims are imposing their views and say things like crosses offend them and stupid western cucks are giving into that and taking crosses down from churches. Even women from school girls to adults are advised against wearing skirts so they're not assaulted or raped in areas where there is a refugee center nearby. Even in terms of economics the migrants have been a huge drain because the terror has greatly harmed tourism and also all the handouts like housing and welfare payments. Migrants are being housed in 4 star hotels while poor citizens and seniors suffer despite being in the country their whole lives. Some are forced to move out of their apartments to make way for migrants. This all frightens poles as well as many several other countries in europe esp eastern central n some parts of the balkans

We don't want that in poland. Were finally just now getting on our feet after nearly 100 years of war and communism and before ww1 we weren't even on the map for almost 2 centuries. We've had many different nations try to erode our culture and people but we always survived and well always resist such attempts. That's why our anthem is 'Poland is not yet lost.' it may be hard for you to understand this but this is how poles feel and we don't want our culture traditions or religion to be replaced or eroded. We don't want to take the risk and have it backfire on us like it has in the west. Were happy with the way things are going and were looking to develop our country in other ways. We've also chose a different way to deal with the poles who have migrated and low birth rates. We've already done our fair share of helping migrants any way. We've already accepted over a million Ukrainians and are open to migrants from Belarus Georgia even Chechnya but we are cautious about accepting thousands of people from m.e. and north africa. They may be accepted after vetting depending on an assessment of immigration and security but that's the call of those departments and the instructions their higher ups gave them. Poles in general prefer to be a homogenous country and that is our right as it is our country. There have been some 4 Islamic attacks within roughly this past week alone - dozens dead and hundreds injured when combining Spain Germany Finland and russia. Poland doesn't want to deal with that stuff. Why is it that we don't have any such issues with the Asians west Europeans Ukrainians Georgians Indians even west Africans in poland? They aren't massacring fellow Europeans assaulting women and draining the economy.

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

Yes most poles do want to stay in the eu. However if retaining eu membership is contingent on accepting migrants and living with terrorism those numbers will drop sharply. Several polls have shown that poles overwhelming don't want migrants from m.e and africa. Even the question of containing Ukrainian migration poles are split roughly half and half.

Also poles have stated they'd rather pay the fines than take in migrants from way different cultures and religions.

Accoridng to this cbos poll 75% of poles don't want migrants from me and africa

cbos.pl/SPISKOM.POL/2017/K_044_17.PDF
This article kind of explains the situation and history a bit mofe
politico.eu/article/politics-nationalism-and-religion-explain-why-poland-doesnt-want-refugees/amp/

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

@Chemikiem

Exactly. There were no such organized pro Nazi groups in poland. Maybe a tiny group of guys who took advantage of the situation and linked up got her to find Jews in return for reichmarks. But nothing like the ustace which attacked villages and murdered Serbs or the banderists with some upa/oum elements attacking and killing poles. However to say that poles in general helped out or gave the Nazis the thumbs up to build Auschwitz simply isn't true. We were under occupation.

The fact is the only poles who could have in any way helped the Nazis were primarily hose who were forced to do so i.e. sonderkommando, were in Nazi pow camp prisoners, and those captured in lapanki. (Stalin did something similar but with criminal inmates however they were thrown back in prison anyway after the war ended. Such began the b!tch wars because the name of these veterans was suki. Any collaboration w the government in the old soviet prison system was the worst thing a vor could do).

Exponentially more poles opposed the nazi than helped them and that's a historical fact. Yes some poles esp rural areas used the turbulent times to enrich themselves. They'd rat out Jews to the Nazis for money, would steal everything from a Jews house who was sent away or even move in and claim the house as his or her own, and some simply didn't want to get involved. They neither helped nor hurt Jews bc they didn't want themselves or their family to get shot.

@mafketis
Its because of something called the holocaust industry which a Jewish processor Norman finkelstein wrote a book on literally titled the holocaust industry. A small amount of Jews have been unscrupulously using the holocaust to make millions off their dead descendants by making tons of movies books etc about the holocaust as well as political concessions that Jewish hawks particularly love like 'never again.' that I think is fair bc they do deserve their own country but giving billions to Israel is not worth it. At first perhaps but now it's a very rich country and yet it receives more aid from the us than every African country combined which is in far worse poverty than any poorer neighborhoods of Israel. Furthermore there's a system of apartheid there against Palestine and the government constantly violates un resolutions. Some Jews have even made up their stories about Auschwitz or sorely exaggerated the truth. You don't see the Japanese crying non-stop about Nagasaki and hiroshima and making tons of books films etc on the subject nor are families suing the us to get money. The Jews have extracted a significant amount of money from Swiss banks and are still asking for more. Money was doled out without a whole lot of deep investigation into ones claim. Same thing with all the other mass killing, ethnic (or political) cleansing, genocides etc - rwanda, Congo, burma, soviet union, serbia, bosnia, etc.

Some early extreme Zionists promoted the holocaust and they didn't care what happened to their fellow jew as Israel would be created, funded and allied with America and the west. Israel was suppose to come into existence when the brits signed the balfour declaration. They also promised the land to the Saudis to help defeat the ottoman empire but that's a diff story. Anyway the plans were to be put into motion asap but ww2 delayed it. Hence many extreme Zionists actually were kind of happy the holocaust occurred because it would give them so much political economic and military security once it was all done and over with. A question is often asked to Jews and Zionists Jews which is really tough to answer imo and idk how I would of I were Jewish - Was it worth it for millions of Jews dead with millions move losing everything just for Jews to have their own country at the end or not?

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Actually when ships carrying Jewish refugees arrived in various ports such as united states Canada cuba etc they were consistently denied entry. Unlike those countries Poland was bombed to oblivion yet we still helped jews more than anyone else and our yad vashem awards prove it. Its easy to say they should have done this or that but this all occurred during ww2 - the most deadly war in human history. Some people actively helped jews helping them hide in sewers cellars barns etc at risk to their own lived, some turned in Jews for money, some just didn't want to get involved and wanted themselves and their families to survive the war.

The unfortunate thing is even after poland was devastated by the nazis, the Soviets and polish Jews (who made up over half of Poland's security service after the war) took their rage out on poles especially an members and those loyal to the government in exile. All that after we had a 60 some day uprising in Warsaw to attempt to kick the Nazis out and regain control of the city which at the time had the largest Jewish ghetto. Poles waged a guerilla war against the Nazis in Warsaw for longer than the entire French nation waged war against the Nazis despite their far superior numbers and technology compared to the poles. People like Stefan michnik sent patriotic ak members who fought against the Nazis to their deaths. They were more than happy to act on some sort of perceived revenge against the poles although they were silly enough to think the Soviets had their back. Soon after the Soviets ended up massacring these same Jews or sending them to the gulags of they felt they weren't falling in line with the commie ideology.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

@Lyzko

Sorry but that wouldn't fit the legal definition of libel. For one no one attached your legal name or a business you run to it. Also you'd be unable to prove it would damage your reputation in real life.

Anyway, facts are facts. More poles died than Jews on pl territory and if the Danes brits Hungarians whatever were so great to the Jews then why is it that poles have the most 'righteous among the nation' awards issued by yad vashem?

Takes two to tango? That's like saying the Ukrainians are half responsible for Stalin's holodomor because it occurred in Ukrainian territory or that the siberians were half responsible for building the gulags to which millions of Soviets were sent to.

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Lyzko doesn't hate poles though but his comments that Nazis could have only built up Auschwitz and other camps with the help of poles are down right incorrect and many poles would find them offensive.

Remember the gaffe when Obama referred to such camps as 'polish death camps?'

Like i said before, roughly as many ethnic poles as polish Jews died at Nazi hands within polish territory if not slightly more. Why would poles willingly build a camp where as many if not more of their fellow poles would perish alongside polish Jew? Doesn't make sense. That's like literally digging your own grave which people don't do unless they have a pistol to the back of their head.

Unlike the Ukrainians Croats etc Poland didn't have any organized groups allied with the Nazis. Maybe a few opportunistic poles but no organized group actively allied with and supporting the nazis.

Life / How are electric cars doing in Poland? [413]

@delphiandomine

Don't forget fisker and a123 battery. At least the Chinese made several hundred million just by buying a123 off the Americans then selling it back around a year later.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

@Lyzko

Warsaw was far more damaged than any of those cities you mentioned... Easily 90% of the building were destroyed. The whole city was flattened per Hitler's orders

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Speaking of Hungary you also had people like Soros who admits to going around stealing his fellow Jews stuff. He says that was the happiest time of his life. This was during a 60 mins interview.

The Danes had their own government during ww2. Poland did not. They were in exile in the UK till communism collapsed. They could only give messages in secret. Also Denmark Belgium France etc weren't bombed to oblivion like Poland was.

History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

@Lyzko

You have got to be kidding me. There was no such conspiracy between poles and Nazis to kill jews and establish concentration camps. If poles did help build such camps its because an ss guy was ready to shoot them immediately if they refused to comply.

Here are several facts:

1. Polish people have the most 'righteous among the gentile' awards from yad vashem for saving the lives of jews
2. Poland was bombed to oblivion. Approximately the same amount of poles died as polish Jews within polish territory - roughly 3 mil poles died while the Jewish count in Poland is closer to 2.7 mil (according to wiki its literally one of the first sentences when searching for Nazi crimes against poland/ Nazi invasion of Poland.

3. The armia krawoja was one of the largest if not the largest underground army
4. The uprising in Warsaw was the largest insurgency in ww2 in Nazi occupied territory
5. There is very few attacks committed by poles against Jews. The most famous is jedwabne in which around 100 200 Jews died. A tiny number compared to the overall deaths of both poles and Jews.

6. Aushwitz held both poles and Jews. Saint max Kolbe perished there. He lived for nearly a month in a starvation bunker and still shared his tiny ration with fellow prisoners which wouldve undoubtedly been Jews.

7. Nazi Germany invaded Austria without a shot fired - the total opposite happened in Poland.
8. Poland was where most of Europe's Jews lived so it simply made logistical sense to open up concentration camps closest to the people the nazis were trying to exterminate.

9. Poland was the 1st country the nazis invaded - technically 2nd if you count czechy although the allies pretty much gave him part of the country but he felt like invading the rest anyway.

Then to top it off the Soviets invaded Poland and it became a commie nation for the next 50 years. Soviets and Jews were in charge of all the highest ministries and nearly half of the security services positions were occupied by Jews following the war. People such as michniks brother sentenced scores of polish ak patriots to death. While many Jews were keen to exact revenge on poles and do the Soviets bidding because for whatever reason they believed poles didn't do enough, eventually the Soviets started arresting and killing them too for not falling in line with soviet agendas.

Life / How are electric cars doing in Poland? [413]

@johnny reb

It would be efficient in the long run but require a significant investment upfront which Poland doesn't want to put up. Poland doesn't give out tax breaks or incentives for things like solar panels or hybrids. They generally feel other things are more deserving of government subsidies tax breaks etc. Also the fossil fuel industry esp coal and the company orlen are very powerful in Poland. Maybe if eu funds were devoted to such a program it would work

Life / How are electric cars doing in Poland? [413]

I think the only place I saw them in wroclaw was near the airport but I wasn't like on a mission to see where car chargers are so mayb there were more and I just didn't see em. Im sure more will pop up as people make the move to electric and hybrid more and more.

I'm not sure about how construction of charging stations works in public areas but to have a home charger id have to put in a new breaker box run 2 or 3 aug (for quick charge 6 aug for standard) wires special outlets and all this other stuff. Itd cost me around 5k to 7k in remodeling my garage even with doing most of the work myself over the course of 2 weeks doing about 4 hours a day. That's what dissuaded me from buying a tesla. In the long run it just wasn't any significant savings it and id still need a 2nd car anyway for longer distances. If I had to drive like an hour to work and an hour back tho yeah i prolly would've done it. The exterior on the tesla is nice but the interior is a bit too minimalistic and simple for my liking and the fake leather or whatever material the seats were made seemed kind of cheap quality. The touch screen was nice tho that was like the only redeeming quality of the car. If I'm going to drop 70 grand on a car or sign a lease for 3 years its gonna be on a Mercedes jaguar BMW something like that. Mayb once I finish school and the BMW i8 is a lil cheaper ill look into it. That car is so much sexier than the tesla.

Im sure that the pl government encourages is it but the question is who's going to put up the funds for the infrastructure which is pretty expensive and recouping those costs would be rather slow as electricity is relatively cheap.

Work / Business ideas for Poland [63]

@synka

Theres already tons of ukranians performing unskilled labor jobs on construction sites and a few n Koreans in Gdansk building ships. Unless you can pay Indians or other sa below polish min wage which would be very illegal, it wouldn't really be worth it. There's plenty of ukranians already that are willing to take such jobs.

Also if you open a business in Poland or buy property if you're a foreigner you need to be extremely careful so you don't get ripped off. People will take advantage of you if they sense you're not knowledgeable about the processes.

Life / How are electric cars doing in Poland? [413]

Lol 4th place in the market this ev month. I would hope after a 50% decline in 2016 that in 2017 sales would go up.

Who cares anyway those cars are garbage. The fact that japs and koreans generally skimp out metal in their cars is well known in auto circles. They don't even sound like a real car more like toy.

The fact that youd promote a nissan leaf alone shows your def not a car guy. The tesla atleast is fast and has a nice exterior but the leaf is garbage. That car was made to appeal to the ultra environmentalist liberal hippie types. 40 grand almost and you can't even take that car on a road trip what a crock of sh!t

Do you even change your own oil brakes etc or are you one of those helpless beta males who has to call in help just to change a tire lol

Life / How are electric cars doing in Poland? [413]

@peterweg

electrek.co/2016/06/01/nissan-leaf-sales-down-tesla-model-3-fault/

Not in the us or poland. No one drives those. In the us you barely ever see them and i can count on one hand the amount ive seen in pl. Also 250k units since when? In 2016 alone ? Doubtful. Probabylly since its inception in 2010 which means 250K sold in just under 7 years. That's not very much.

Besides who cares. Those cars are garbage. I could run over that thing w my escalade and itd be like hitting a squirrel. Jap and Korean cars skimp out on metal so they compensate with putting tons of airbags everywhere.

Life / How are electric cars doing in Poland? [413]

@johnny reb

You gotta get into bitcoin on the next correction man. $4,200 as of this morning. I purchased 5 at 2350 each about 2 3 weeks ago.

Life / How are electric cars doing in Poland? [413]

@peterweg

Not in us and I doubt in poland either and def not in a decade. UK is shooting for 2040 or whatever year they stated which is ambitious but it will probably relate to new cars that are sold not ones already in a country and registered. Hybrids and electrics will become more popular but the costs have to come down first. Right now only plastic pieces of crap like honda civic and accord hybrids sell well. The electric Nissan leaf and Mitsubishi were total flops. Very few middle/upper middle class ppl are willing to drop 40k on a lil compact Nissan when they can get an entry level luxury model for that much or even a Lexus hybrid or whatever.