Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]


Tąbor and Tombor are both rare spelling variants of Tambor, which is the far more common spelling of both. As I said above, there are only two people with the spelling "Tąbor" registered in Poland.



Stankiewicz made a mistake. It is impossible for a non-nasal "a" to become a nasal "ą" or "am" in Polish. That just doesn't happen. Ever. I have noticed that he often tries to find a modern Polish etymology for names even when it is clear that the etymology is not Polish, even when his guesses are pretty far-fetched and violate the phonetic rules of Polish. This is a good example of that.


Definitely not in this part of Poland.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]


Rój is also a possibility, and probably a better guess than the unrelated surname Róg. It is especially common around Lubasz.

Tąbor is an exceedingly rare alternative spelling of Tambor. There are also a tiny number who spell it Tombor, but they don't live in the Lubasz are. There are only two people with the surname Tąbor in Poland. Coincidentally, both of them live near Lubasz. It certainly has nothing to do with "Tabor", with either meaning. That's phonetically impossible in Polish. It's derived from the name of the musical instrument (Tambourine in English).

Zupka is not a possibility. It is a Polish surname, but is it exceeding rare and does not occur anywhere near Lubasz. By far most of the 52 people with that name live close to Sokołów Podlaski, and none at all in what was Galicia.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

@crmondo

The first three would be spelled Róg, Łopata and Tambor in Polish, and all are found in the area around Lubasz. The last one is either very rare, or a misspelling that would take some work to sort out.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

@Taji34

Look at this map:

moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/we%25C5%2582na.html

With a geographical distribution like that, that surname is certainly not unique to one family, but used by several totally unrelated families. And as by far most of them live very far from where your ancestors came from, near Lublin and Kraków, it is unlikely that you are related to by far most people with that surname. You would need solid documentation to determine whether you are related to anyone else with that surname.

There are about 75 places in Poland named Dąbrówka. It is one of the most common place names in the country. You're going to have to figure out which of these your ancestors came from.

"Katolisch" is not a place name. It is the German word for "Catholic", and refers to your ancestor's religious affiliation.

Seven generations takes you back to the early 1800s. Before then, records become very scarce indeed, and completely nonexistent for by far most people living at that time. Someone who had gone back that far should be quite an accomplished genealogist, but that is inconsistent with the level of questions you are asking. Are you sure you have solid documentation linking all of those generations together in an unbroken chain?

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

@kaprys

Another anachronism is not realizing how daunting these distances were at that time. It's 300 miles from Ostrava to Gniezno. And there were essentially no roads, just tracks. And often not even that, so that one had to travel through thick forest and swamps. And forget about bridges. And you had to pitch camp every night as settlements were few and far between. On foot, fit males traveling very light could cover this distance in three to four weeks under the best of circumstances. A lot longer when transporting goods. Even on horse, an unencumbered messenger would need about a week. Poland at that time wasn't anything like France or England where the Romans left good road systems behind. If the weather was bad. you could double or triple those times.

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]


Which did not survive in Moravia more than a few years, and was used only by a handful of monks in the Moravian stronghold, and not anywhere in Poland. And which was not used to write the nascent Czech language, never mind any of the tribal dialects that would later become Polish.

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

@Dirk diggler

The Eastern Polans had long ceased existing as a separate tribe by the time Poland got control of the territory they had occupied, and had long been absorbed into the Rus.

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]


Oh, no, they weren't. Where did you hear that?

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]


The Eastern Polans were an eastern Slavic tribe that was completely unrelated to the western Slavic Polans who founded Poland, and had essentially no meaningful contact with them at the time in question. The similarity of their names is a coincidence.

Study / Studying in Poznan for an Arab student. [25]

The only active trouble you will get it from drunk people. So stay way from drunk people and you won't have a problem with that. Also stay away from groups of football fans.

The most common form of discrimination you will encounter is "benign neglect". People will simply ignore you until you make the first steps of initiating contact. You won't be exactly excluded, but you won't be included, either. If you are assertive and even a bit bold, you may be able to make some friends. If you are shy or reserved, then you might as well be invisible, even to the people you work with every day,

Do expect a lot of questions about terrorism, violence and human rights in the Muslim world. It can be quite confrontational and make you uncomfortable. Be careful how you respond. Trying to defend abuses against women's rights in particular will earn you a bad reputation.

Yes, there is a section of society that will give you a hard time for being a Muslim, but they generally don't present much of a threat unless alcohol is involved.

Law / Can dependent Visa holders take up employment in Poland? [51]

Ok. I didn't get that Pavithra is interested in working herself.

That's not going to happen unless you can find a employer that needs you so much that they are willing to go through the process of getting a work permit to hire you. And that's not going to happen unless you have qualifications, skills and experience that are in demand in Poland. Specifically, related to IT or to the quantitative aspects of banking, finance or accounting. You are not going to get hired as a shop assistant or a waitress, or anything else unskilled.

Having a dependent visa has no significance in this matter, nor does the fact that your husband is working in Poland. The process would be the same if you were applying for a job all on your own from back in India.

Also, you can't apply for a work permit. Your future employer has to do that. The work permit is permission from the government to the employer to hire you. It is not permission from the government to you to work.

Law / Can dependent Visa holders take up employment in Poland? [51]


Only if they can find an employer willing to go through the process of getting a work permit for them.


Which is their big mistake. That should be the very first question. No point in discussing legal fine points with someone who does not have a snowball's chance of ever getting a job in Poland anyway. That's a total waste of time and energy.

If you want help and advice, then make sure up front that there is a good reason to ask it.

Law / Can dependent Visa holders take up employment in Poland? [51]


Whether something is legal doesn't mean much if you are not qualified to get a job anyway. It might be 100% legal for someone to work in Poland. However, this does not mean that anyone is actually going to ever hire them. No qualifications, no job. Even if it is "legal". What part of that do you not understand?

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]


Since the neolithic, when the ice melted and the first humans appear on the scene. Smoking is a very ancient method of food preservation, and eel is a prime candidate for smoking because of its seasonal super-abundance. Without much effort, you could have easily caught hundreds of pounds of eel in a single day at the right time of the year in prehistoric streams all over what is now Poland. Kind of like salmon, another prime candidate for smoking.

The acquisition of nicknames of this sort is impossible to pin down except in those extremely rare cases where the reason for the sobriquet has been documented. The original bearer may have fished for or sold eels, or not. He may have loved eating eel. Or was known for loathing it. He may have been skinny or limber like an eel. Or he may have been fat or clumsy, very unlike an eel. Or he might have had a huge...., um, "eel". Or a really small one, for that matter.

Nicknames had a bizarre logic of their own, and irony was often employed. Think of the nicknames of the kids you grew up with, and the often twisted "logic" behind them.

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

@Ziemowit

Maybe. In any case, the motive was to do an end run around Otto I to avoid invasion and annexation (and forced conversion).

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]

@Dirk diggler

Anachronisms, anachronisms.

There was no "Roman Catholicism" until 90 years after Poland was founded. And Poland was founded in the darkest days of the Dark Ages, when Rome was a rat-infested backwater $hithole and the power of the papacy had reached its all-time lowest point under Pope John XII, the youngest pope of all time. He was still a teenager when he became pope, and lacked any interest in being pope at all, preferring living the high life and getting laid with all and sundry. Otto I was essentially forced to seize control of the the church in the lands under his control, eventually attacking Rome and forcing Pope John to flee. replacing him with his own man.

The decision to adopt Christianity in Poland was undoubtedly due to the influence of Mieszko I's devoutly Christian Czech wife. The idea was to start an independent state that would rely for it's legitimacy not on the Holy Roman Emperor, but on Rome itself, as Otto I had done himself only four years before. The papacy may have been at it's real-world nadir, but symbolically, it was still quite alive in the imagination of the people of the West.

Quite an interesting time in history.

Language / Polish language would look better written in Cyrillic Script? [212]


No. When Poland was given the Latin alphabet, it was very firmly inside the Catholic sphere, and very far outside the Orthodox sphere of influence, and had been for several centuries. Polish is written in the Latin alphabet because it was first written by Catholic monks and clerics, and then only for very rare, and very expensive, ceremonial religious texts, like psalters. That happened sometime in the 1300s.

Law / Old Polish money banknotes - what's their value today? [415]

@Gazeillamae

It's totally worthless. Even if you could exchange it (you no longer can), it would have been worth only a nickle.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

@Gość1952

There is no good reason to think that the name is not of Polish origin, again, unless there is solid documentary evidence to prove otherwise.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]


Probably not. As I described above, that surname almost certainly originated near Nowy Targ in southern Poland. If someone living in Lwów had that name, they or their ancestors almost certainly originated from the Nowy Targ area. It's theoretically possible that there was someone with that surname who lived in Lwów and emigrated from there. Both Lwów and Nowy Targ were in the Austrian Partition, so it is possible that a person with that surname could have moved to Lwów. But you would need solid documentation to prove that.

In any case, Marmul/Marmuła would be an exceedingly rare surname in Lwów, and chances are very high that no one of that surname has ever set foot in that city. That is a safe assumption unless you have solid documentation that states otherwise.

Study / Moving from India to Poland for masters' studies and job. Possibility of taking a loan from university [6]


That's far too little to study anywhere outside of India. Nowhere even close to what you would need to survive in Poland or anywhere in Europe.

There are no loans available to you outside of India.

The only hope you have of studying abroad is getting a sports scholarship to the US, or being such an outstanding student that you can get a highly competitive merit scholarship.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

@Valinski

Woliński is a totally different, unrelated name, and is indeed related to Volhynia, the region near where Poland, Belarus and the Ukraine come together.Any similarity to Waliński is purely coincidental.

Waliński comes from a place name (not necessarily a town or village; it could be a family estate) whose own name was probably derived from a personal name like Valentine or Valerian. The -ski in this case means "from".

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

@Gość1952

First of all, it's not a suffix. It's one single word root that can't be split. There is no suffix.

The change from "r" to "l" or "ł" is a most probably sporadic change, and it's not systematic. Both English and Spanish also, coincidentally, have the "r" changed to "l" in this very same word ("marble" and "mármol", respectively).

It's probably not associated with any one particular dialect of Polish. Has nothing at all to do with any other names that may end with "ul".

It is a Polish name, though quite rare with only 39 people with that name in the whole country. It seems to be a variant of the even rarer names "Marmula" "Marmuła", which is restricted to the area around Nowy Targ in southern Poland, which overlaps with the distribution of "Marmul". All of them probably trace back to a single protoplast who probably lived near Nowy Targ in the early to mid 1800s.

moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/marmul.html
moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/marmula.html
moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/marmuła.html

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

@Valinski
That would be "Waliński" in Polish. Not a particularly common surname in present-day Poland, with only 360 people with that name. The geographical distribution indicates that most of those migrated after WWII from former Polish territories which now lie either in Lithuania or Belarus. You can probably assume that you ancestors came from there, too. The name would be spelled Valinskas in Lithuanian, and seems to be quite common there.

moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/wali%25C5%2584ski.html

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

@Taji34

There are 1329 people with that name all over Poland, and judging from the geographical distribution, it is a surname that was adopted by several unrelated families, so you are unlikely to be related with anyone else with that surname unless you can prove it with documentation. The biggest clusters of that name are around Kraków and Lublin, but is is highly unlikely that you are related to anyone there.

moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/we%25C5%2582na.html

Like Kaprys said, it means "wool".

Law / Polish Visa Refused, Going To Make Appeal, What should I do ? [81]

@Omar Ali

You're welcome, and best of luck with your studies in Malaysia!

Law / Polish Visa Refused, Going To Make Appeal, What should I do ? [81]

@Omar Ali

The reason is that you made false statements or presented false documents. If your documents are all genuine, then think about what statements you made. SOMETHING you said or did convinced the consul that you were being dishonest. They wouldn't have listed this reason without good reason. This isn't a trivial reason or one that is given lightly. So think over the interview and try to remember if anything you said may set off alarms in the consul's head. Something obviously did.

One of the things that many people who apply for visas to any country fail to realize is that the burden is 100% on you to give the consul every good reason to issue the visa. They have to have good reasons to issue the visa, and they don't have to have good reasons not to issue the visa. You also don't have a right to a visa, and the consul has no obligation to grant one. They don't have to give you any reason for refusing the visa, and have no obligation to share the reasons for or details of the decision process with you. The consul is obligated by law to be, by default, suspicious about your motives, and it is your duty to satisfy them that their suspicions are false. And in an appeal, the burden is 100% on you to prove that the consul acted improperly. In other words, you are guilty until YOU prove yourself innocent.

If you go into the appeal without having internalized the above paragraph, then you will surely fail.

However, even if you disprove the first reason, it will be practically impossible to disprove the second reason, the one about intent to leave the country when your visa expires. As a student, it is highly unlikely that you will be able to prove that you have strong reasons for returning to Egypt that outweigh

your reasons for remaining in the EU. Concrete reasons that you can back up with documentation.

All in all, it was a bit of bad luck that you got refused for false statements or documents. Like I said, whenever you apply for a visa to a Schengen country in the future, the consul will see that, and a detailed reason why (which they will not share with you). It's going to poison any future interview you have. And once something like that is in the VIS database, it's practically impossible to get it out.

For what it's worth. I actually believe you. The way you explained things is precisely how an innocent person would have. If you have any chance of getting the decision reversed, it depends on you being the same during the appeal process.

Good luck!

Law / Polish Visa Refused, Going To Make Appeal, What should I do ? [81]

@Omar Ali

You really screwed up to get the first reason listed. The consul was convinced that you were dishonest, and it is going to be very difficult to prove that he was wrong, and that's what you would have to do during an appeal. The burden of proof would be on you to prove that the consul acted not in accordance with the relevant procedures, regulations and laws.

As for the second reason, it is practically impossible for a student from a poorer non-EU country to prove that they will leave the EU when the visa expires. You have no strong ties to Egypt that you are able to document to anyone's satisfaction, and have every reason not to return, and to stay in the EU.

You are wasting your time on an appeal. You have no grounds for reversing the decision.

Because of the first reason listed, it is going to be next to impossible for you to be granted a visa to any Schengen country in the future, as this refusal has been entered into the Schengen VIS database and any future consul from any Schengen country will see it whenever you apply. They are required by law to check the VIS database.

Whatever you did was enough to effectively ban you from the Schengen zone for life. Falsification of documents is on the same level of moral depravity as raping your grandmother as far as Europeans are concerned.

History / MAP OF POLAND IN 1880'S [95]

Perhaps Przewały, near Włodzimierz Wołyński, now in the Ukraine, about 10 miles east of the Polish border. However, that's a best guess, and doesn't mean much without solid documentation, and that's going to be very hard to find. The Catholic church there was destroyed by Ukrainian nationalists there in 1943, and it looks as if the whole village has ceased to exist.

Life / Tap Water quality in Poland [44]

Why would showering be a problem?