jon357
24 Feb 2025
Food / Which foods are generally disliked/unpopular in Poland? Which non-Polish foods are slowly gaining popularity? [180]
No, in moving water to flush toxins out.
No, in moving water to flush toxins out.
jon357
24 Feb 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1304]
More a nostalgia for a past that never existed. That and an "I'm alright Jack" attitude and a desire to enrich themselves at the expense of others.
They haven't won one for years in Germany as far as I know. The party that Scholz is in is close to centre-right.
Really there needs to be a robust workers¡ movement there. Without it, there's messes like the current one and a fast declining economy. It will be a difficult time there u til the next election.
the conservatives are always the ones with the teary nostalgia
More a nostalgia for a past that never existed. That and an "I'm alright Jack" attitude and a desire to enrich themselves at the expense of others.
If the left doesn't come up with a new, better vision for the future they will never win an election again!
They haven't won one for years in Germany as far as I know. The party that Scholz is in is close to centre-right.
Really there needs to be a robust workers¡ movement there. Without it, there's messes like the current one and a fast declining economy. It will be a difficult time there u til the next election.
jon357
24 Feb 2025
Food / Which foods are generally disliked/unpopular in Poland? Which non-Polish foods are slowly gaining popularity? [180]
The same. Crustaceans (at least in some countries) have to be kept in clean water for several days before they're killed.
Rock shrimps (I googled them) sound nice (for me all crustaceans are ugly) however I've not seen them in Europe.
Have you had potted shrimp? You make it with Morecambe Bay Shrimps (tiny brown ones). Just the shrimps, cooked in melted butter and pepper and pressed in a small dish. You'd need to add salt if it's Polish butter. Traditionally served with toast. I've had some Morecambe Bay shrimp in freezer for the past 11 years. Too risky to eat now, however if I ever need to make a salad for r*SSians...
if they didn't live in water and were crawling around on land there's no way I'd eat them.
The same. Crustaceans (at least in some countries) have to be kept in clean water for several days before they're killed.
Rock shrimps (I googled them) sound nice (for me all crustaceans are ugly) however I've not seen them in Europe.
Have you had potted shrimp? You make it with Morecambe Bay Shrimps (tiny brown ones). Just the shrimps, cooked in melted butter and pepper and pressed in a small dish. You'd need to add salt if it's Polish butter. Traditionally served with toast. I've had some Morecambe Bay shrimp in freezer for the past 11 years. Too risky to eat now, however if I ever need to make a salad for r*SSians...
jon357
24 Feb 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1304]
Faceless bureaucrats however that is preferable to charismatic politicians. Especially there.
The main issue is that they were arrogant about the economy and expected unrealistic growth rather than decline. Merging two countries was never going to be easy, especially when one of them was East Germany.
the German political establishment which is alienated from voter concerns
Faceless bureaucrats however that is preferable to charismatic politicians. Especially there.
The main issue is that they were arrogant about the economy and expected unrealistic growth rather than decline. Merging two countries was never going to be easy, especially when one of them was East Germany.
jon357
24 Feb 2025
News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1304]
It's sad that neo-nazis got those votes in east Germany. Perhaps reunification was a mistake as so many people, Thatcher for ecample, said it would be
The rest of Europe needs no watch them very carefully; especially since there's little holding them back from getting close to r*SSia and trumpet.
Perhaps there'll be demonstrations and riots there; not unusual, especially in West Berlin.
Thankfully though, not the far right
It's sad that neo-nazis got those votes in east Germany. Perhaps reunification was a mistake as so many people, Thatcher for ecample, said it would be
The rest of Europe needs no watch them very carefully; especially since there's little holding them back from getting close to r*SSia and trumpet.
Perhaps there'll be demonstrations and riots there; not unusual, especially in West Berlin.
jon357
24 Feb 2025
Food / Which foods are generally disliked/unpopular in Poland? Which non-Polish foods are slowly gaining popularity? [180]
They look a bit like something between a large type of langouste or a spiny lobster. The former and similar varieties are very tasty. There are a lot off the western coasts of Britain.
These are I think freshwater though. Rather than seawater. Despite not liking river fish. I'd try them.
About crustaceans in Poland, since they simply weren't in the shops a few years ago, when they appeared, they were a rather nouveau riche thing with people wanting to show off by serving the biggest ones, often with shell still on. I still see echoes of this.
In fact, apart from lobster (and even then....) crustaceans tend to be better smaller rather than larger. If you haven't tried Dublin Bay Prawns, I recommend them.
There's also boiled crawfish
They look a bit like something between a large type of langouste or a spiny lobster. The former and similar varieties are very tasty. There are a lot off the western coasts of Britain.
These are I think freshwater though. Rather than seawater. Despite not liking river fish. I'd try them.
About crustaceans in Poland, since they simply weren't in the shops a few years ago, when they appeared, they were a rather nouveau riche thing with people wanting to show off by serving the biggest ones, often with shell still on. I still see echoes of this.
In fact, apart from lobster (and even then....) crustaceans tend to be better smaller rather than larger. If you haven't tried Dublin Bay Prawns, I recommend them.
jon357
24 Feb 2025
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [185]
Most archaisms are; that's often why we choose to use them.
Here's a tip; if anyone's doing a Cambridge language exam, they may well get extra marks for (to be) + got, rather than have. To do with coherence and register.
No, not at all, though it's heard on Aussie soaps.
Quite, though it's common. Of course "from" is correct however in Standard English, "than" has started to appear, probably due to Netflix, Hollywood etc.
It's lovely.
Most archaisms are; that's often why we choose to use them.
UK mostly seems to mostly use 'has got' for possession
Here's a tip; if anyone's doing a Cambridge language exam, they may well get extra marks for (to be) + got, rather than have. To do with coherence and register.
''He owns a great deal of patience'. Is that usage found anywhere in the B-Isles?
No, not at all, though it's heard on Aussie soaps.
And when/where id 'different to' appear? I hate that one... just sounds wrong
Quite, though it's common. Of course "from" is correct however in Standard English, "than" has started to appear, probably due to Netflix, Hollywood etc.
jon357
24 Feb 2025
Food / Fermentation rulez! Poles love fermented foods [21]
She sounds very special and an amazing cook
they remind me of her extraordinary, golden hands.
She sounds very special and an amazing cook
jon357
24 Feb 2025
UK, Ireland / What English food would you serve a Pole? [172]
None, unless you count Lord Russell, Earl Grey, James Maitland and John Hampden in 1832 when we transitioned from an absolute monarchy to a constitutional country.
It's certainly not a British one.
None, unless you count Lord Russell, Earl Grey, James Maitland and John Hampden in 1832 when we transitioned from an absolute monarchy to a constitutional country.
French breakfast.
It's certainly not a British one.
jon357
20 Feb 2025
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [185]
In America only and maybe Canada. Nobody else says it, and it sounds centuries old.
In America only and maybe Canada. Nobody else says it, and it sounds centuries old.
jon357
20 Feb 2025
Food / Fermentation rulez! Poles love fermented foods [21]
Pickling is probably better for that however after a while they all need using.
Sounds delicious. One thing I miss from home is pickled red cabbage. The traditional northern English way is sliced more coarsely that is done in Poland and using plenty of peppercorns and allspice. Malt vinegar too, which of course is sweet and sour.
In PL people often use a mix of vinegar and water due to a liking for the mild taste. I would just use malt vinegar or if I'm out of that (hard to get in PL) wine vinegar.with maybe a dash of spirit vinegar to give it a kick.
Pickled cauliflower can be nice; I'd use wine vinegar with a bit of spirit vinegar for that.
which method preserves longer?
Pickling is probably better for that however after a while they all need using.
in a couple of years, very fresh, crunchy and delicious, I
Sounds delicious. One thing I miss from home is pickled red cabbage. The traditional northern English way is sliced more coarsely that is done in Poland and using plenty of peppercorns and allspice. Malt vinegar too, which of course is sweet and sour.
I know she used vinegar
In PL people often use a mix of vinegar and water due to a liking for the mild taste. I would just use malt vinegar or if I'm out of that (hard to get in PL) wine vinegar.with maybe a dash of spirit vinegar to give it a kick.
Pickled cauliflower can be nice; I'd use wine vinegar with a bit of spirit vinegar for that.
jon357
20 Feb 2025
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [185]
Yes, however Standard English is a better description since the curriculum avoids speech patterns and lexis specific to the islands. It also avoids Americanisms like "gotten' however they creep into speech and sound old-fashioned.
Not so much so, however some words, e.g.schedule end up being pronounced sk rather than sh. I have not noticed much evidence of American speech patterns in PL unless it's someone with a specific connection to there or Canada.
although what is taught in Polish schools is British English
Yes, however Standard English is a better description since the curriculum avoids speech patterns and lexis specific to the islands. It also avoids Americanisms like "gotten' however they creep into speech and sound old-fashioned.
most people after a while turn to the American variety
Not so much so, however some words, e.g.schedule end up being pronounced sk rather than sh. I have not noticed much evidence of American speech patterns in PL unless it's someone with a specific connection to there or Canada.
jon357
19 Feb 2025
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [185]
They use "wey" a lot and in an interesting way.
It somehow reminds me of this:
youtu.be/5wB0OkcCps8
youtu.be/hXWrgnavIkY
like 'dey'
They use "wey" a lot and in an interesting way.
bbc.com/pidgin
It somehow reminds me of this:
youtu.be/5wB0OkcCps8
youtu.be/hXWrgnavIkY
jon357
19 Feb 2025
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [185]
Generally the posher Indians are comprehensible to people from England, although in the media they do often use words specific to their situation there. And have their own English words like "groupism".
The exams they take are all in standard English and they still often speak with the ghost of a pre-RP upper class accent.
That's fascinating and the first time I've seen it. It seems very simplified and of course that is consistent with being a pidgin or creole. It reads beautifully and there are certainly people in Europe, especially London, who speak that daily.
I've also heard Nigerians (freshers at a U.K. university) that I struggled to understand. Mind you, some of them were peng.
Not India? I've seen newspaper stories from there that are..... not easily comprehensible
Generally the posher Indians are comprehensible to people from England, although in the media they do often use words specific to their situation there. And have their own English words like "groupism".
The exams they take are all in standard English and they still often speak with the ghost of a pre-RP upper class accent.
bbc.com/pidgin
That's fascinating and the first time I've seen it. It seems very simplified and of course that is consistent with being a pidgin or creole. It reads beautifully and there are certainly people in Europe, especially London, who speak that daily.
I've also heard Nigerians (freshers at a U.K. university) that I struggled to understand. Mind you, some of them were peng.
jon357
19 Feb 2025
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [185]
The largest places that use non-standard forms day to day and for official documents are the USA and Nigeria.
It's also the language of a specific ethnic group resident on a small island and with a rich history.
Spanish? The same, though Galician and Valencian confuse it.
And rarely like regional forms.
It's probably part of an 'estuarisation' of Polish (imagine every English person sounding like Sir Keir Starmer). Much to do with population movements post-war and a desire (Poles are after all very conformist) to conform.
Think of the first scene of Sami Swój or even those fragments of pre-war films they used to show on TV on Sundays.
Linguistic conformity seems to be part of the drive to become Polish post independence.
What couple of places?
The largest places that use non-standard forms day to day and for official documents are the USA and Nigeria.
English is a pluricentric
It's also the language of a specific ethnic group resident on a small island and with a rich history.
Spanish? The same, though Galician and Valencian confuse it.
Poles who grow up hearing Standard Polish almost exclusively.
And rarely like regional forms.
It's probably part of an 'estuarisation' of Polish (imagine every English person sounding like Sir Keir Starmer). Much to do with population movements post-war and a desire (Poles are after all very conformist) to conform.
Think of the first scene of Sami Swój or even those fragments of pre-war films they used to show on TV on Sundays.
Linguistic conformity seems to be part of the drive to become Polish post independence.
jon357
19 Feb 2025
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [185]
As it is used in England, its home, and worldwide apart from a couple of places.
I once tested a youngish Polish guy. Maybe 25 years ago. There was something off about the pronunciation, a sort of Italian sound. It turned out he'd spent 2 years in England and spent the whole time working in an Italian restaurant Luton.
Poles aren't always that good at distinguishing specific accents in Polish. For me, Mazowsze, Podlasie, Poznań etc are obvious. Many Poles have told me no. There seems to be a lack of respect (surely for historical reasons) for both dialects and sociolects.
Standard English"....
As it is used in England, its home, and worldwide apart from a couple of places.
I asked and she had family there and had spent a non-trivial amount of time visiting them
I once tested a youngish Polish guy. Maybe 25 years ago. There was something off about the pronunciation, a sort of Italian sound. It turned out he'd spent 2 years in England and spent the whole time working in an Italian restaurant Luton.
wonder why that is.... I have ideas but I'd like others' input.
Poles aren't always that good at distinguishing specific accents in Polish. For me, Mazowsze, Podlasie, Poznań etc are obvious. Many Poles have told me no. There seems to be a lack of respect (surely for historical reasons) for both dialects and sociolects.
jon357
19 Feb 2025
History / Recommended Poland's history books [257]
More that than Christian Socialist like the Justice and Peace Movement or the Guild of St Joseph the Worker. Very specifically for people struggling with the new system of government.
I used to live in a building they owned. Mostly elderly and educated residents. They also had a publishing house which by that time was mostly doing stuff like "Recepies from the Bible" or "Pope John Paul and Animals Picture Book".
PAX Assoc
More that than Christian Socialist like the Justice and Peace Movement or the Guild of St Joseph the Worker. Very specifically for people struggling with the new system of government.
I used to live in a building they owned. Mostly elderly and educated residents. They also had a publishing house which by that time was mostly doing stuff like "Recepies from the Bible" or "Pope John Paul and Animals Picture Book".
jon357
19 Feb 2025
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [185]
Not in Poland. Standard English is taught in schools and used by people of all ages.
It's the same. People just don't pick up Australian, America or Nigerian English unless they've lived in one of those places or have some particular connection to one of them.
Seems the younger the Poles, the more attractive American English
Not in Poland. Standard English is taught in schools and used by people of all ages.
English they learned no doubt in school, or perhaps on vacation in the UK.
It's the same. People just don't pick up Australian, America or Nigerian English unless they've lived in one of those places or have some particular connection to one of them.
jon357
18 Feb 2025
Language / Do Poles prefer US American or UK English language? [185]
That's standard international English.
There are textbooks available from over there, generally versions of British ones that have been simplified, however they don't sell well and the main international exams use standard English.
But in school we learn the British standard and the tests are of British English
That's standard international English.
There are textbooks available from over there, generally versions of British ones that have been simplified, however they don't sell well and the main international exams use standard English.
jon357
14 Feb 2025
Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [241]
Quite.The spelling differences are neither here nor there really. What's more interesting is speech patterns which vary not only by country but also byregion, educational level, class, sex, and general outlook on life. Studied a lot in English, exists a lot in Arabic and is also noticeable, even to a relative outsider, in Polish. It's very related to something called ethnosemantics which seems interesting but is fairly new to me.
Sounds a bit like barley Wine (more beer than wine). Old fashioned and popular every few years with university students. I always associate it with older working class northern ladies who drink too much and have big hairdos.
unimportant spelling differences
Quite.The spelling differences are neither here nor there really. What's more interesting is speech patterns which vary not only by country but also byregion, educational level, class, sex, and general outlook on life. Studied a lot in English, exists a lot in Arabic and is also noticeable, even to a relative outsider, in Polish. It's very related to something called ethnosemantics which seems interesting but is fairly new to me.
Malt liquor = stronger than usual beer
Sounds a bit like barley Wine (more beer than wine). Old fashioned and popular every few years with university students. I always associate it with older working class northern ladies who drink too much and have big hairdos.
jon357
14 Feb 2025
News / How will Polish-American relations change if Trump is elected president again? [635]
The dangerous period is the first six months. If his plans can be frustrated during this period it will make the rest easier.
And he'll be gone in less than four years.
Perhaps y'all should have been less hostile to the idea of universal healthcare...
getting stuff done at break neck speed
The dangerous period is the first six months. If his plans can be frustrated during this period it will make the rest easier.
And he'll be gone in less than four years.
Americans who can only afford cut-rate goods will
find their lives cut short
find their lives cut short
Perhaps y'all should have been less hostile to the idea of universal healthcare...
jon357
14 Feb 2025
News / How will Polish-American relations change if Trump is elected president again? [635]
Btw, they're 12zl for 10 today at ASDA in the U.K.
Btw, they're 12zl for 10 today at ASDA in the U.K.
jon357
14 Feb 2025
News / How will Polish-American relations change if Trump is elected president again? [635]
To a point, yes. It was an entirely new situation with no established playbook and some overkill by governments acting out of an abundance of caution is to be expected.
About eggs, one role of any elected government is to prevent profiteering by businesses. They already treat the chickens appallingly badly and supermarket poultry products are good to avoid for 5hat reason.
a less lurid example would be complying with lockdown even though I personally think it was a flawed tactic that caused more harm than good
To a point, yes. It was an entirely new situation with no established playbook and some overkill by governments acting out of an abundance of caution is to be expected.
About eggs, one role of any elected government is to prevent profiteering by businesses. They already treat the chickens appallingly badly and supermarket poultry products are good to avoid for 5hat reason.
jon357
13 Feb 2025
Off-Topic / Arts and crafts [145]
An interesting one. By an American artist that I wasn't familiar with until today.
Benjamin Britt (1923 - 1996) - Abstract (Untitled), c. 1950s, oil on Masonite,
An interesting one. By an American artist that I wasn't familiar with until today.
Benjamin Britt (1923 - 1996) - Abstract (Untitled), c. 1950s, oil on Masonite,
IMG_1114.jpg
jon357
13 Feb 2025
Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]
Will have a parliamentary while that fat orange rapist is still squatting in the oval office, assuming he does the full four years
The Democratic Party
Will have a parliamentary while that fat orange rapist is still squatting in the oval office, assuming he does the full four years
jon357
13 Feb 2025
jon357
13 Feb 2025
Life / Which animals are native to Poland? [103]
Pretty well
Blue-arsed baboons
There are loads of them. One below:
projects it
Pretty well
wild baboons
Blue-arsed baboons
black wolves which are utter rarity
There are loads of them. One below:
Screenshot2025021.jpg
jon357
13 Feb 2025
Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]
They've appointed some truly awful individuals.
But in 4 years they'll be gone and there are limits to the damage they can do.
He and Vance seem to prefer sex offenders or avowed racists.
They've appointed some truly awful individuals.
But in 4 years they'll be gone and there are limits to the damage they can do.
jon357
13 Feb 2025
Law / Moving back to Poland - Healthcare [112]
Do you mean Sir Keir Starmer? If so, why do you think he's a 'megalomaniac'?
He strikes me as the opposite if anything.
If the Germans spent 5% of their GDP on their military, there would be riots in every West German city.
Stameter (can't be bothered to look up the spelling) is a megalomaniac.
Do you mean Sir Keir Starmer? If so, why do you think he's a 'megalomaniac'?
He strikes me as the opposite if anything.
If the Germans would spend 5% of their GDP on the military, every country
If the Germans spent 5% of their GDP on their military, there would be riots in every West German city.
jon357
13 Feb 2025
News / How will Polish-American relations change if Trump is elected president again? [635]
It could even be higher if the tariffs continue.
It's easy to say that people can buy domestic products however only the Chinese can open a factory and get a whole supply chain going in a month or two.
My forecast, US inflation over 4.5% next year.
It could even be higher if the tariffs continue.
It's easy to say that people can buy domestic products however only the Chinese can open a factory and get a whole supply chain going in a month or two.