News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1037]


All sentences are according to sentencing guidelines which are in place long before any trial.

They don't just make it up as they go along, you know...


They would charge according to the name on documents.


1. There is no evidence of wrongdoing. 2. The person who made the accusation was above the age of consent.


And the clowns who don't take up their seats aren't bigots? Are Colum Eastwood and Clare Hanna 'bigots' according to you then?


Except the 'general population of Britain' wasn't "whipped up" were they...

In fact more people came out to peacefully oppose the small number of thugs that were "whipped up" than the thugs themselves.


Go and drink a nice cup of tea. And avoid the thing that is causing your current hangover. Vitamin C helps.

News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]


Do tell. This is actually interesting and a genuine question.


Very possibly. He would probably have been present if Cameron did, it that the story is especially reliable or relevant to anything.

Who knows what a lot of male politicians did round the world when they were frat boys.

Language / Use of "Pan/Pani" in Poland vs Other Countries [30]


He uses my name and 2nd person singular.

The guy's a bit wary of speaking to me in the presence of others though, not least because we'd been saying "najzdrówko" in a particular bar in town for a few years before he came to that parish.

History / Where did Poles spend summer vacations in the PRL era? [63]


Worth remembering that for almost all of the period that Poland had the PRL, most western Europeans couldn't afford foreign holidays and didn't have passports.

The better off could, but didn't always. For the majority (in the UK at least) they might be able to manage a weekend by ferry to Dublin or Ostend (no passport needed) however foreign holidays, Spain etc, started to come in dribs and drabs from the 70s and were too expensive for many. That was the era (in Poland and the west) of holiiday camps, sometimes belonging to your trade union. That and nasty boarding houses by the sea.

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]


Not very relevant to demographic change in Poland, but this one is too funny to ignore.

"Somebody said he looks great in a bathing suit, right? And you know, when he was in the sand and he was having a hard time lifting his feet through the sand, because you know sand is heavy, they figured three solid ounces per foot, but sand is a little heavy, and he's sitting in a bathing suit. Look, at 81, do you remember Cary Grant? How good was Cary Grant, right? I don't think Cary Grant, he was good. I don't know what happened to movie stars today. We used to have Cary Grant and Clark Gable and all these people. Today we have, I won't say names, because I don't need enemies. I don't need enemies. I got enough enemies. But Cary Grant was, like - Michael Jackson once told me, 'The most handsome man, Trump, in the world.' 'Who?' 'Cary Grant.' Well, we don't have that any more, but Cary Grant at 81 or 82, going on 100. This guy, he's 81, going on 100. Cary Grant wouldn't look too good in a bathing suit, either. And he was pretty good-looking, right?"

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]


Were that true, he'd go up in my estimation however he did after all say that his tariffs would make things cheaper.


"Think of it, magnets," Trump said at a January 2024 rally in Mason City, Iowa. "Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that's the end of the magnets."


It always has been.

Fun articles about fashion and popculture, however it has a largely female readership and does concentrate on that audience.


Less of the fake outrage. It just makes you look like Ignatius P Reilly, a character which to be fair you do share several similarities to.

News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]


Probably a nomenklatura kid. Know any of those, I-S?

Why whatever 'connections' he may have has as an 18 year old kid are relevant to anything is anybody's guess. There were a lot of nomenklatura, including the Kaczynski family and most big names in politics, especially rightwingers. Whatever you think of JK and others, he can't be held responsible for his parents' careers.


While there he was in the Bullingdon Club (upper class hooligans - Johnson Cameron were both in it - who smash up restaurants and leave a wad of cash to cover the damage, even the Oxford University Tory Club have banned the Bullers from membership now) which he got into by implying he was a relative of the better known Sikorski

He's hugely intelligent, a very good writer and one of the few credible figures in Polish politics..

History / Where did Poles spend summer vacations in the PRL era? [63]


Although it's not in Crimea (but near it) there was that nice song, Batumi, by Filipinki. That suggests that holidays in other parts of the eastern bloc were something that people could at least aspire to.

Wasn't there also a chance of holidays in Bulgaria?

Off-Topic / A "humorous" aside to US 47th President [31]


The clue's in the thread title. There's a limit to the Groucho stuff though a certain politician is a bit like the one in Duck Soup, "I've got my principles, and if you don't like them, I've got other"...

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1037]


Makes no difference to the terrified families locked in the hostel while thugs were setting fire to it.

And her tweet was seen by over 300,000 people. She knew the law; hence deleting it to try and save her arse.


Anger against whom? The frenzied mobs were attacking asylum seekers and a mosque. The perp isn't an asylum seeker and isn't a Muslim; he is Roman Catholic.


If calling for families or anyone else who has never harmed you tonne burnt to death is a "normal human reaction" then I will opt out of that and self identify as a cat.

She knew the law; she was a heavy twitter user who used that platform to whip up riots.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1037]

You can comment, but can't publish until the jury have reached a verdict.

The laws are similar and different. Most countries don't have a jury system. Yours comes from ours which comes from the Anglo-Saxon period, or even before.

I think they introduced the rule due to jury tampering in the nineteenth century.

It's the same in Australia; the press push the boundaries there though and the judge in the mushroom poisoning trial had to issue some severe warnings to journalists.

News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]


He's centre right.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1037]


Us too. However publishing things intended to influence a jury decision is a no no.

If it's just you or me or uncle Tom Cobbley writing things online, it's not usually a problem. If it's a journalist, a politician, a respected scientist, it can lead to a mistrial or a perp going free.

Language / Use of "Pan/Pani" in Poland vs Other Countries [30]


Tough for them. It's hardwired into some of us. Where I'm from, clergy and laity traditionally address each other as "Friend" even if it's the first time of meeting.

I'll take that over the "pochwalony" stuff.


It's fine to do that. If they feel insulted they should maybe they should reflect on whether they serve or panować.

Off-Topic / A "humorous" aside to US 47th President [31]

Is this screenshot real or a hoax?

It's hard to believe it's real however he does say some complete rubbish.

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News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]


He isn't a half-wit. He's got one of the sharpest minds in Polish politics.


It doesn't mean anything; it is a glib comment which you might like to expand on.

Language / Use of "Pan/Pani" in Poland vs Other Countries [30]


If Thee and Thou are good enough for God, they're surely good enough for his staff.

News / European News and Poland Thread - part 4 [1037]


Tell us you know nothing about English and Scottish law without telling us you know nothing about English and Scottish law.

It is strictly illegal to publish speculation about guilt or innocence before or during a jury trial or to make comments that could potentially affect a juror's decision. This includes speaking on TV, online and in print. After the jury have reached a verdict it's fine.

In the very rare cases that a politician or other public figure has done this, the trials have been abandoned at great cost and the person who commented has been prosecuted.


See above. This is taken very seriously.


Yes. She was the wife of a local politician and directly encouraged locals to burn down hostels containing families with children. They tried to do this and set fire to fire escapes. She tried to claim in her defence that she was mentally ill and didn't understand what she was saying.

And of course the perpetrator was not an asylum seeker anyway. He was born in Cardiff.

If you're interested, the appeal judge's decision refusing her appeal was published yesterday on Bailli. It should be findable. I'll not post a link since Bailli is fiddly to use.

Off-Topic / Pop A Cork - Wine [440]


It's a good one. Same as Gordon's (same company) but a few more ingredients.

To be gin, they usually add juniper berries, lemon peel and something called orris root while distilling it. Some add more juniper after like a nalewka (juniper has a strong taste but isn't absorbed easily). The cheapest are just a nalewka.

If it doesn't taste of juniper anemometers is flavoured with raspberries or liquorice or basil, is it really gin.

Fashionable now, but we've been drinking it at home since long before it was, when it was still a drink for bourgeois elderly.


Also nice, however if it's got tonic, I e and lemon, there's not much difference between one that costs 150zl and one that costs 40zl.

If you want it fancy, pop a few allspice (ziele angielskie) in the bottle when you buy it. The flavour takes very quickly and it tastes of Christmas.

Language / Use of "Pan/Pani" in Poland vs Other Countries [30]


A long time ago in very formal situations, like expensive shops. The police used to say Sir and Madam but not I think nowadays. At school, it was always Sir and Miss.

In expensive old-fashioned clothes shops, they used to use the "Sir/Madam is", "would Sir like" exactly as it is in Polish. This may be due to tailors and seamstresses many years ago being of the Jewish faith and from Poland.

I've only ever said it at school, and as an employee of an army somewhere when with my direct boss, a General (but only in formal situations) and when speaking with the country's President. As a civilian there's no obligation to however it seemed right at the time.

In PL, only Pan/Pani to older people that I don't know and don't enjoy being addressed like that.

My neighbour is always shocked when I address the local
Priest as "Ty". That won't change; in the region where I come from we traditionally address clergy as "friend" and that will have to do.

Related: https://polishforums.com/archives/2010-2019/language/poland-pan-people-address-57168/

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]

Manchester? A nice city. Have you spent much time there?

You'd like Chetham's and also the general atmosphere in Didabury village. Expensive though.

That name 'Paul Joseph Watson' rings a bell. Isn't he a far-right YouTuber notorious for fake news? Something to do with that Yank, Alex Jones who pretended that murdered children were 'crisis actors' and got his arse sued off by grieving parents.

Off-Topic / Pop A Cork - Wine [440]

Gordon's or Beefeater are both fine, as is Lubuskie.

I sometimes get Mason's Yorkshire gin at duty free but mainly for the bottle which tops up nicely with Lubiskie.

It really is just plain spirit rectified with a few herbs.

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


Really? It never has with us, and we invented it.


You really aren't.

Now run along. Haven't you got an investor and some financiers to enrich by your labour?

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


You're making a common mistake of central and Eastern Europeans. Absolutism.


I did. Via free compulsory education, a Socialist creation opposed by conservatives at the time and also via a first degree at one of the finest and best known universities in the world followed by a teaching diploma and a masters degree. All free (in fact they paid me), something which would not have happened under unrestrained capitalism.

I've also never paid a penny to a doctor, dentist or hospital. Or had to worry about what happens if I became too ill to work.

But hey, you're obviously cool about a guy you don't know and who would never let you in their home making more money out of your job than you are.

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


Nope; it's closer to a Socialist paradise.

Remember, capitalism can exist in a mixed economy where Socialism holds sway. The key thing is that capitalists can't just do what they want since the people own the means of production and call the shots.


Most of ours fled third world countries with unrestrained capitalism.

News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]


Or perhaps less stupid than most men.

News / R. Trzaskowski, current mayor of Warsaw, future President of Poland [354]

Worth a look

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News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


Ours hasn't.


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Oddly enough, none of the societies in Europe that are shaped by Socialism do that.

Don't confuse Socialism with distortions by central and eastern European gangsters. Just be happy that you don't have to pay money when you're ill, that you'll get benefits if you have to stop working and that your Trade Union (us uncouth Socialists) stopped you having to work 14 hour days.

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


We're doing it and our government is centre left.


If you get the benefit of most of your labour, you'd be right. If some investor you've never met makes more from your labour than you do, you're wrong..

Even those of us in the top 5 or 10% of salaries and in the public sector can't always say that.

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


The importance is to act and to do it in a way that nationalists hate but the public are OK with.


Very wise and very true, unless the workers of your country get more money from their job than the investors they sell their labour to.