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23 Nov 2020
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

Some married men actually leave their wives you know. Years ago in little old-fashioned Ireland, it was so common that there was a welfare payment officially named 'deserted wife's allowance' for those unfortunate women whose husbands decided that they no longer wanted the responsibility of the wife and six children they'd fathered.
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23 Nov 2020
Travel / Poland in photo riddles - part 2 [1680]

which is where the name for Aquavit (sometimes rendered Okowita in Polish) comes from.

Yes, in old Irish histories which were written in Latin, it's rendered as aqua vitae. First mention is in 1405 of a chieftain who appears to have died after a few too many whiskies :) but it's safe to say that it was being distilled for many centuries before that, the distillation process probably having come via Egypt like our harp and our pipes.

Scotch usually reminds me of what I imagine battery acid tastes like)

Try a drop of Bushmills. Irish whiskey is much smoother than Scotch. I'm not much of a drinker myself but I find Bushmills much nicer than Jamesons, the other famous Irish whiskey. It grieves me to acknowledge that, what with Bushmills being the 'Protestant' whiskey, but like George Washington, I cannot tell a lie ;)

As for Polish drinks, they have some really superb vodkas, but I think miód pitny (dwójniak) is truly delicious and a great Polish product that should be a lot better known around the globe. A little goes a long way though as it's quite sweet.
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23 Nov 2020
Travel / Poland in photo riddles - part 2 [1680]

still some guys claim Starka is whisky and the main point which proves it is the use of wooden barrels. Check this article

Thanks Pawian, very interesting - and not quite accurate on the part of the guy writing the article, especially when he claims that Poland was probably the first country in the world to age alcohol in barrels! I suppose you could say that Starka is a grain whiskey but Poloniusz's argument that the Poles and Lithuanians were producing malted spirits is incorrect as Starka was never malted. It's simply a hard liquor derived from grain. The Irish monks invented whiskey, the recipes and techniques found their way to Scotland via the Irish and that's that. Whiskey derived from 'usice' , 'uisce beatha' - the water of life as the monks named it.

I don't see what the issue is. Poland is famous for its vodka, Germany for its beer, France for its wine and cognac, Ireland and Scotland for 'prawdziwy' whiskey. Malted spirits happen to be unique to Ireland and Scotland.
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22 Nov 2020
Travel / Poland in photo riddles - part 2 [1680]

Well, actually, if anything the Starka Malt is the marketing myth - at any rate it's a new product. The exact recipe of original Starka is a secret but here's the general gist:

Szczecińska Fabryka Wódek's general process is:

They begin with distilled rye spirits. The raw distillate is then diluted to approximately 120 proof. The diluted alcohol is aged in large wooden vessels for approximately a year. After a year, other (secret) ingredients are added to the raw distillate and then this mixture is put into barrels for aging. The aging lasts from 3-70 years. At some point in this process, the liquid is subjected to freezing temperatures. After the appropriate aging, the alcohol is allowed to warm to ambient temperature, bottled and distributed.

Finally, Starka is also marketed as a vodka, it's not really considered a whiskey and I don't think it originated as a malted drink. That's not to say that other countries haven't malted their grains but I don't think it's really a 'thing' outside Ireland and Scotland. If it were, then European countries such as Germany and indeed Poland would have a long history of whiskey distilling and they don't. Malt seems to have been confined to beer in those countries.
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22 Nov 2020
Travel / Poland in photo riddles - part 2 [1680]

a marketing myth.

The picture you posted shows Starka which is made from rye, not barley and the rye is raw, not malted- or at least that's the traditional way of making it anyway.

People with access to grain have been distilling alcohol from it for God knows how long, but that doesn't make it whiskey. The oldest licensed producer of malt whiskey in the world is Bushmills in Ireland. Even the name whiskey, comes from the Gaelic 'usice', pronounced 'ish-ka'. Whiskey as in a malt whiskey, at least triple distilled is definitely Irish, Scotch is somewhat different, bourbon and so on are different again.
Atch   
21 Nov 2020
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

Exactly, Lenka. There are people with a combination of mental and physical disability who don't have the freedom of choice.

At the same time it it is true that people with such disability are capable of feeling happiness, if treated with love, but sadly, many severely disabled people still have lives of utter misery, due to the lack of such loving care. Or else, they have love and some degree of happiness for the first half of their life while their families are around and are then moved to institutions where they are neglected and unloved. You won't see the Kondizors of this world dedicating themselves to the voluntary care of such individuals.
Atch   
17 Nov 2020
Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1450]

I've noticed that the first leaves end up being kind of awkward

The trick is buying a cabbage that's not too big. There is less difference between the larger and smaller leaves in a medium sized cabbage. However, recently at Biedronka they've started stocking a special cabbage that was obviously cultivated for making gołąbki and it's really much easier to manage. I was making them this morning so you'll find some photos below! This cabbage has two great advantages. Firstly, the difference in the sizes of the large and small leaves is not as great, secondly, the leaves are much softer and more flexible so it hardly needs any time at all in the boiling water, the leaves come away easily and are very easy to work with for wrapping. It seems to avoid that thing of the very thick, veiny leaves as you get closer to the end.

I've put a photo showing the largest leaf alongside one of the smallest, to show you the difference and a pic of the gołąbki in the pot where I purposely arranged them with the one made from the largest leaf in the centre and the smallest one is on the top right. The final pic is my well earned cup of tea and shortbread fingers which I enjoyed after my labours ;)

This cabbage is quite pricey compared to the standard white cabbage which costs 1.99 per kilo while the 'fancy' one is 4.99 BUT it's a lot lighter in weight probably because it doesn't have the big stalk in the middle, and the standard cabbage is really heavy so there isn't much difference in the end.

Your recipe sounds delicious, I usually add a bit of cayenne pepper to mine :)


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Atch   
16 Nov 2020
Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1450]

.And then I fried it.

That's a pity because tongue is a relatively lean and healthy form of red meat. You do a lot of frying Paw; do you use smalec?

I had believed I would be able to cook them for Sunday dinner. No way.

Now I know I'm going to sound like a pain in the nether portions (so what's new!) but I can't understand the fuss about making gołąbki. They're quite easy to make and although they're a bit labour intensive you can make and cook a huge pot of them within about three hours. Anyway, here's a glimpse of my own :))


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Atch   
12 Nov 2020
News / 11th November Independence Day in Poland [73]

Number of police injured during independence march - >1

Where did you get that figure?

According to a spokesman for the Warsaw police there were 35 policemen injured. He said they had back injuries, head injuries and one had a broken arm. Three are still in hospital.

actively engaging in attacks on Churches.

I don't agree with attacking churches. The abortion issue is not a direct result of the church, it's down to the actions of PIS and even if the church had a more direct role in it, I believe it's wrong to attack places of worship.

At the same time, there is no comparison between the two groups and you know it. On the one hand you have a fairly diverse group of ordinary citizens who represent at least a sizeable minority, if not an actual majority, protesting against the trashing of the constitution and the infringement of civil and human rights. On the other hand you have a bunch of thugs and hooligans who set out with organized, violent intent on a quest to confront the police. There is zero excuse for their behaviour.
Atch   
12 Nov 2020
News / 11th November Independence Day in Poland [73]

Really shameful scenes yesterday. No other word for it. Can you imagine how embarrassing and shaming it is for Poles around the world to say 'that's how my country celebrates independece, with rampaging hooligans, tear gas, rubber bullets and riot police'. The area where they set fire to the apartment and attacked police is largely residential. Families in fear in their own homes, not able to walk on the street on a national holiday, a time for celebration ,thanks to so-called 'patriots' who supposedly 'love' their country.
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10 Nov 2020
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

How did they back down?

PIS tried to circumvent the difficulties they had back in 2016 by taking a back door route to outlawing abortions. It hasn't worked as despite the ruling of the Constitutional Tribunal, they've chickened out of publishing the ruling,by waffling on about 'talks'. When have PIS ever wanted to compromise or talk about anything? That's not their style. Pure and simple delaying tactics. In doing so, PIS have themselves, breached the very constitution that they are using as a pretext for tightening the abortion laws. Making complete fools of themselves, as usual.

the objective of strajk kobiet was to legalise abortion

No, it was to ensure that their existing, very limited civil, and human rights are not trampled upon even further.
Atch   
10 Nov 2020
Real Estate / If you pay a property reservation fee in Poland, can they sell it from under you? [10]

Sure did.

Gosh, Ant, don't do that again! Never pay for anything, be it goods or services until you have it in your sweaty little hands ;) Estate agent's commission should only be paid on the day you make the final exchange of contracts, on the day that you get the keys of the house, and make sure you do everything via the notary at his office. Be very careful when doing business in Poland and don't trust what people tell you, always do your own research. It's not as bad as it used to be, it's much improved, but there are still people who will try to rip you off. Glad it's all sorted out anyway. Best of luck for the future.
Atch   
9 Nov 2020
Real Estate / If you pay a property reservation fee in Poland, can they sell it from under you? [10]

A reservation fee with the agency.

I'm not aware of such a thing as a reservation fee. You pay the agent's commission, as it's called, when you're completing the sale with the seller of the property you're buying. Do you mean that you paid their commission upfront and they now say the property is unavailable? In that case they have to return the money.
Atch   
8 Nov 2020
Genealogy / Searching for information on Czestaw Wawrzyniak [4]

Czestaw

The name is actually Czesław. The ł is a letter peculiar to the Polish alphabet and it's pronounced more or less like a 'w' in English. Just thought it might be handy to know in case you're checking any Polish records. The war records of Poles serving in the UK used to held by the British MOD but they've been handed over to Poland who I believe are still processing them.

You might be able to pick up some bits of information if you check through old local newspapers of the period as UK local papers sometimes did little snippets on the Polish servicemen and occasionally they even published photos from social events like dances.
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7 Nov 2020
Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1450]

I had tongue in Poland and really liked it

Tongue used to be a very common cold meat in the UK, do you remember ham and tongue sandwiches??

I boiled them and then fried them in batter.

That looks more like breadcrumbs, not batter. God, you Poles can't keep away from the frying pan and the old bułka tarta. Even cauliflower gets that treatment! For tongue, I take the whole thing, pop it in a pot with a tiny drop of water, a bay leaf and a few ziele angielski and black peppercorns, then let it cook very slowy over the lowest heat until it's very tender. Allow to cool a bit and cut into very thin slices. Use it for sandwiches or eat it with spuds and surówki.
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2 Nov 2020
News / Women`s Party in Poland - a good means to end Women`s Hell ? [62]

one of them strongly supporting 30s fascism

Would that be Christabel? But Christabel was a member of the Seventh Day Adventists, I thought. Sylvia was a socialist wasn't she? Spent most of her adult life in Ethiopia or somewhere, if I remember correctly.
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1 Nov 2020
News / Women`s Party in Poland - a good means to end Women`s Hell ? [62]

How is it that the founders of modern feminism, are all alone jews and jewesses?

There are no founders of present day feminism. They're simply descendants of the first feminists dating back to the 1700s, people like Mary Wollstencraft. She was English and not Jewish.

Then in the early 20th century you had the Suffragette movement spearheaded by Mrs Pankhurst and her daughters in England - also Christians.

Move on to the 1970s and Germaine Greer from Australia was hugely influential - she's a Catholic.

Is feminism a jewish tool for destroying white women?

No.
Atch   
1 Nov 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

qualities and ability are not automatically inherited; genes don't work like that. They're basically a lottery.

There's certainly some truth in that. 'Greatness' certainly doesn't seem to be inherited. Time after time you see the descendants of the most extraordinary figures in history, be it in the arts, sciences or leadership, achieve nothing remarkable at all. There are exceptions of course but the apple does seem to fall quite far from the tree in those cases. And there are a number of very ordinary people who can claim distant royal ancestry, but there's nothing remotely regal in their bearing :)
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30 Oct 2020
News / Thousands of Polish women attend Czarny Piątek rally in Warsaw [780]

Where is the Pope on all this? Where is Rome? Silent.

Pope Francis made some vague remarks the other day which indicate support for the ruling.

I ask God to place in every person's heart respect for the life of our brothers and sisters, especially for the most fragile and defenseless; and to strengthen those who embrace them and care for them, even when that requires heroic love.

But you'd expect that, I mean he is the Head of the Catholic Church.
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30 Oct 2020
Life / Wszystkich Świętych (All Saints Day) // Dzien Zaduszny (All Souls day) [96]

Poles can`t practise their perennial tradition.

You could make a little ceremony in your home, set up an altar with flowers, a candle for each deceased loved one, a photo if you have one or something that represents them, gather and say a prayer together. In Ireland of course, Hallowe'en is the more important festival and that won't be happening this year in the usual way, also a break with ancient tradition.
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30 Oct 2020
Life / How much money to comfortably retire in Poland (a married couple)? [57]

But they voted for it.

Scotland voted to remain. So did NI. Of course the people of NI can apply for Irish passports.

EU state passport

They'd have to create such a thing first. No such thing as an EU passport. It's a big problem because it will be seen as the Brits wanting to have their cake and eat it too. What do you want to bet that loads of Brexiteers would apply for a newly created 'special' EU passport that allowed them the old freedom of movement etc.
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29 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

we've moved away from the "pandemic" hysteria

Who are 'we'? Haven't you been listening to the speeches of the Duck Prince?? According to him, the protesters are risking the lives of their countrymen by spreading the virus.

What fascists are we talking about?

The ones who purge the military, purge the courts, stifle the media, reform education, break treaties, arrest their critics, silence the people.........
Atch   
27 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

I reckon they have been ordered to keep the Polish Government onside due to Brexit negotiations.

How would Poland be of any help in the Brexit negotiations??

old men in dresses

In fairness now, there are plenty of those in the Anglican church too!


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Atch   
25 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Murder

Society universally accepts a definition of murder. That's why the law legislates for it. Society does not universally accept abortion as murder. That's why most countries in the western world allow abortions to be perfomed and they are entirely lawful.

Murdering newborns in an acceptable fashion?

It shouldn't come to that, if a person is allowed to have an abortion. I was referring to cultures where people still do things like kill female babies at birth. Would you prefer to see that or abortion. I know which I'd choose.

Lack of money? Discomfort caused by the necessity of providing care for the child? Difficulties and worries ?

You demonstrate a disturbing lack of empathy and compassion. What is your present involvement with disabled children and their families?

A few of us here have personal experience of it. What's yours and what are your views on the three issues you've raised?