Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

@Foreigner4, you are of course right that most Western women don't choose or do jobs that possess the characteristics you listed. But then, nor do most Western men. A combination of mechanisation and globalisation mean both genders increasingly do knowledge-based work in the service sector.

But where jobs exist that exhibit the dangers you described, I would argue they are done by men and women in broadly similar numbers. Food manufacturing and agriculture are two industries in which there are a lot of industrial accidents. A great many women work in these environments. And, here in the UK, a high proportion of them are Polish.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


I agree there's less demand for male than female prostitutes. However, this is irrelevant to the point I was making, which was that women do dangerous/unhealthy jobs, but we don't give them credit for that because our mental image of such a career is a male one.


Again, you're twisting my logic. Of course the average flight is less risky than a fire that requires firefighters. But this is irrelevant to my point, because firefighters spend very little of their time fighting fires. Mostly they sit in their staff rooms, polish fire engines, attend car accidents, rescue cats from trees etc. Very, very occasionally they go into situations where there's a fire, and in only a tiny percentage of those are they in the kind of inferno-type situation where their lives are at risk.

My original comment suggested that, over time, a pretty young Polish woman working as cabin crew for LOT or Ryanair is as likely to have to save someone's life as is a firefighter, and that she is also as likely to find herself in a situation that puts her own life at risk.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


OK, then a woman over the age of consent who chooses to become a sex worker. The principle is the same: women DO occupy dangerous, unhealthy jobs, it's just that those jobs don't all fit the (male) mental image you have of them.

Cabin crew on an airline would be another example. They could save your life one day, and could lose theirs in an accident. It is probably no less risky than the (largely male) career of fire fighter, but because they wear makeup and tight skirts, we don't think of them in the same way.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


There are women doing all of those jobs, but not many. It may be because social condition deters many women from wanting such roles, or because it causes the people who hire for such positions to disregard some female candidates. At the same time, women are over-represented in other jobs that are hard, dirty and dangerous, but you may not be aware of it because your stereotype of what counts as hard, dirty and dangerous work is based on the male archetype. For instance, I would suggest that being an underage sex worker, trafficked to a foreign country and held against one's will is a very risky occupation, and that most people who do it are female.


Feminists believe that women are as important to society as men, that they deserve the same rights and respect; they don't believe they are the same. Basic biology determines that a fit man will have a higher proportion of muscle and lower fat reserves than an equally fit woman, which is why the genders are separated for high-level sports. But this does not mean that there are not women who are more than strong enough to do the jobs that some people want to reserve for men on the grounds that men are stronger (on average, we may be, but some, if not all women are strong enough to do the work).


Do you have any evidence for these sweeping generalisations?


There is a significant contingent within the religious right in America that teaches girls and young woman that female masturbation is immoral. And for many years the role of the clitoris and the existence of the female orgasm have been ignored or repressed by the medical professional and educators. Against that background, I think it's a good thing that feminists are teaching female students about their sexuality and encouraging them to celebrate it, rather than being ashamed.

As a man, I'm guessing a straight one, you would surely prefer women to be confident about their sexuality and aware of how to enjoy their bodies.


If this happens, then you will surely support what I wrote in this thread, which is that Polish women should be encouraged to get involved to ensure that the group is representative of the views of the majority. I suspect that most Polish women support the right to abortion but that views on the left-right debate and the Church are mixed.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

The OP thinks the Women's Congress is to representative of all Polish women. Surely it would be more constructive of him to encourage more women to get involved and express their views at the event, rather than to criticise it? Unless, of course, he wants to marginalise women's issues and take cheap shots at feminists.

Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]


Some Muslims advocate it, on the basis that there's a passage in the hadiths reporting that the Prophet saw a woman circumcising a girl by the side of a road and complimented her for doing it, and also there's a mention of 'the circumcised parts touching' during lovemaking somewhere in the Koran.

Female circumcision is really a misnomer, there are no medical/cleanliness benefits, and it prevents women from enjoying sex. Many of the countries where it's commonplace are ones where the status of women is very low. I've never understood why the men in those communities allow it to continue. Even if women have no rights in those places, surely men would prefer to have sex with women who enjoy it?

Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]

@ Natasia, as a guy of course I enjoy orgasming in a way, but I also see the disadvantages. For instance it can bring risks or at least fears of pregnancy and STDs for a woman, which are removed and much reduced respectively if the man doesn't climax. Also there's the fact that if a man orgasms too soon, it can reduce pleasure for the woman, or deprive her of another orgasm. And female orgasms are stronger, and longer lasting, than men's, so not only the woman but also the man can get more enjoyment from the woman climaxing again rather than the man doing it once.

Love / Should I forgive my cheating Polish girlfriend? [73]

In the words of the Paul Smon song, everything put together, sooner or later falls apart. IMO this relationship isn't a harmonious one, it isn't meant to be, and prolonging it would cause both people pain.

Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]

I agree :-). But circumcision is still good because if a man is less sensitive down there or finds it hard to climax, hopefully he'll get pleasure from using his tongue or fingers to please his partner instead...

Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]

@ ilmc, as a man I'd rather have difficulty climaxing or be unable to do so than climax too quickly. The male orgasm is only really needed a handful of times in a typical man's lifetime, if that, for fathering children. The rest of the time, making love is surely about closeness and pleasure, and for that the female orgasm is much more important and the male one is best avoided if possible.

Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]

Also circumcision makes a man a lot less sensitive. This may seem a bad thing but of course it takes him a lot longer to climax, which is better for his partner :-)

Love / Google: Polish women "easier" than English women - official! [52]

My theory... If a nation's women are wonderful partners, but also very discerning, men will turn to Google in the forlorn hope of finding easy women of that nationality. If they are either ugly or easy, why bother Googling easy versions of them?

Polish women are the best in the world, and also they don't jump into bed with just anyone, hence millions of men Google 'easy Polish women', even if their searches are in vain...

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


It seems to me that while there are a handful of anti-abortion women, most who oppose women's right to choose are male. And all too often what lies beneath the surface is a desire to punish women for what are described as 'their' lascivious behaviour (forgetting that it also takes a man...).

Whether or not you support abortion, I hope you'd accept that unwanted pregnancy is an emotionally heart-wrenching time for any woman. Consider that there are many ways a man can please a woman, or a woman can please herself, with zero risk of pregnancy. There's only one sexual activity that can get a woman pregnant, and for most women it isn't the one that brings her the most pleasure. So if a woman gets pregnant without wanting to be, on some level she took a risk to please a man, she didn't do it in pursuit of her own selfish pleasure.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


That's true, and logical, excepting perhaps for women who are raped.

However, it portrays a world in which neither women nor men can have sex unless they are in long-term relationships and willing to bring up and able to afford to support children. This seems to me to be a rather grey, loveless, joyless life, in which people repress their sexuality because they choose not to take advantages of the medical advances designed to make lovemaking for emotional reasons, without pregnancy, possible.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

<<It's not necessarily about "benefit of the child". I am anti-abortion first of all because people should be responsible for their actions...>>

So women should be made to bear and bring up children they never wanted, to punish them for being sexually active? That's unbelievably cruel, both to mother and child, and also unjust, because it doesn't deal equally with the father.

Love / Do Polish women talk too much? [74]

I don't think there's such a thing as a Polish woman who talks too much. First, Polish women have really cute accents, especially when speaking in English. Second, what kind of man other than a knuckle-dragging primitive wants a women who doesn't talk much? Better surely to have a lively, intelligent, interesting person to love.

Travel / Collection of dress codes in Poland - what to wear? [96]

I'm interested that you consider jeans or pants more appropriate for work and school; a lot of people would regard skirts as smarter and more professional attire. But I think it's nice that you prefer wearing skirts and dresses, and also that you like wearing what looks good on you, rather than pursuing the latest trends.

Travel / Collection of dress codes in Poland - what to wear? [96]


So you see trousers as a symbol of feminism? Is this the view of most Polish women? And are Polish women mainly feminists?

Travel / Collection of dress codes in Poland - what to wear? [96]

Merged:Polish girls/women: prefer wearing skirts/dresses or trousers?

I have another question for Polish women and girls. In general, do you prefer wearing skirts and dresses, or trousers? What is the reason for this preference?

Love / Polish women are the most beautiful in the world! [1718]

IMO Polish women are definitely the most beautiful in the world. Some people have suggested Scandinavian girls could be more attractive, but I don't see it. They're mainly blonde, whereas Polish women are mostly brunette, which I prefer. Also Polish women have a very natural and wholesome type of beauty, they don't need lots of make-up, fake tans or high-heeled shoes to feel or look feminine or beautiful, it's just the way they are :-)