Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

Many Poles are scared of a lot of things, that's true. Still, many have moved abroad into environments where they aren't using their native language and that takes some doing in places that don't always accept you.

I've said it to Poles before and they agree with me. They have a lot of good things around them here in Poland yet they choose to focus on the negative aspects. They have been criticized for being money-hungry vultures in the UK. Although Brits don't seem to be aware of certain realities here in Poland, there is some truth in that. Poles just need to play to their strengths and develop what they can and not dream about what they can't. Germany will always be ahead in most areas but Poland has real potential in many areas and Poles just need to see it.

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Well, thanks for keeping the thread on topic, ewlunia. I could mention that the two faces of Asians are MUCH worse but this is about Poles.

When you walk away, how can you hear them? ;) ;)

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Are you sure they aren't just enquiring about the service? It took America a long time to recognise gay marriage and that was in a liberal state (California). Why should Poland be any faster considering its Catholic tradition?

Don't you know that those old people have busy lives and agendas to fulfil?

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Intolerance? The Poles are the most tolerant people in the world ;) ;) What intolerance?

Don't they deserve everything? ;) Haven't they lived virtuous and noble lives without sniping and bickering? Aren't they the elite people?

Ewlunia, huh? ;) ;)

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That's true, Ironside.

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Constant defensiveness, talking over others and electing a boring mug are the latest observations. Almost all Poles I've talked to talk about the lesser of two evils. How reassuring!

Oh, and people standing too close. My wife almost blew up in the shop at a service guy who stood right behind her and then couldn't advise her worth a damn regarding what she wanted. She constantly rips into people here yet maintains her patriotism. This is quite typical of Poles. They will castigate their country yet remain patriotic. Interesting!

News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Newsflash: Komorowski to reject those missiles as he hates the word Patriot.

News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

What was the official reason for showing it again, CK? For the viewers that missed it the first time? ;) ;) Now you know about the NKVD and Soviet Army's misdeeds, and? David, you believe actions speak louder than words, do you know? Do you believe it? Well, what should CK do as a Russian watching it?

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Well, that's a fair enough question, CK. I've known plenty of morons that did well in academia. They fall short in other areas.

Asking a Pole not to fall for sth like that is asking the near impossible. I bet you'll be taking it up soon too.

Anyway, stop sidetracking the thread with your poor me, tittle tattle. Mods, please get tougher on those that do this. I'm getting tired of sidetrackers. Then please examine your own posts.

CK, how are Russians reacting? Surely this has little to do with them? 70 years on, what a joke! Did the Polish authorities try and indict the Nazis for Katyń? When was the first attempt?

Look, I don't know what 'lier' means and I quoted the article. Now kindly stop your petty BS and answer the thread like I've been doing.

If you say so, the evidence shows otherwise. Now, any thoughts on the issue? A good chance to talk to your Slavic father, Russia. CK is here. Russia and Poland, Slavic family since the dawning of time ;) ;) Gonna accept the olive branch? :)

Nothing like governments deciding things ;)

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I edited the above, Pol3. You are right! I'm one step under Jarosław but we don't buy our education in Scotland ;) ;) ;)

CK, LK is connected with Smolensk and not Katyń. What's your point here?

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The politics of 'Kaczynscy' may be far from many peoples' liking but there is no getting round the fact that Lech was highly educated, as is his brother Jarosław. It's rather harsh to call him an idiot, CK.

It does seem to be a bit too much, you are right enough. This is the third time now, right? What does it matter to modern-day Russians? What can they do? Nothing! Should they be sorry? No. It was a different generation with Stalin at the helm. Showing sth too often can have the opposite of the intended effect.

Food / Buying alcohol, wine in Poland. It's very difficult. [86]

Geez, bimber. What you said wasn't wrong. The wines in Polish shops tend to be full of sulphites, that wasn't wrong. Oh, not only Poland has the bad stuff? Classic deflection. The Poles are SOOOOOO boring when it comes to this. Wine is international and it's not a bad reflection on Poland that wines in shops here have sulphites as it's widespread.

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I think a lot of the best things in Poland and Polish society are góral/highlander in nature. Places? Zakopane and Żywiec, for example. They ooze character and have outstanding natural beauty. Food? Gazdówka, a restaurant here, has amazingly good regional food and also does Polish national cuisine. Character? These people have passion and can bring an event to life. Culture? Full of festivals and punch. Diversity? I love their dialect. They even have the menu translated from highlander language to Polish just in case any Warsaw or Kraków snobs don't get it. I could go on and on but my point is clear. I'm a fan of highlanders, whether they be Scottish or Polish.

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Very true, Amathyst. Spread the word! The Poles have some top soups but, rather than see them as just different from British ones, most instantly say they are better. Britain has some really hearty soups, full of taste and goodness. I prefer to compliment both and not enter this pointless 'we have the best' nonsense. People make things to be enjoyed by others and not to tittle-tattle with elitist ramblings.

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It's generally used to mean gobbledeegook or sth not to be taken seriously. If you have a 95% belief level, even though we all know only between 60-65% practise, then such things matter.

Catholics rely heavily on certain parts of the Old Testament and, in this way, are closer to Talmudic beliefs.

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Religion is a huge part of life here, fact! What I take issue with is that many Poles cannot understand the core issue to which those 2 gentleman are referring. They provide the key to unlocking that which many don't seem to follow. This doesn't only go for Poles but for people generally.

Exactly! One cannot presuppose the wisdom of God. They can only be absolved by his Grace through imputed righteousness.

Talmudic hocus-pocus? This is exactly my point. They are discussing the core essence of theology and also of Scripture and you can't see it. Ankerberg introduces the Protestant propaganda a little but he also immerses himself in the arguments and tries to make sense of it all. Hardly classic PR here! To call yourself sth is to strongly imply that you understand what that thing is. My point is that many don't. It's just conditioning-based nonsense. How can 95% of people miraculously come to the same conclusion based on a wide mass of evidence being available? Probability would show otherwise! It's just a part of the broader sticker culture which religion hasn't escaped :( :(

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Well, you have a point! Many Poles (and not only Poles) don't seem to see that their conditions are hardly conducive towards maximising their learning opportunities given their lack of money (Indians, I mean). Ok, chess isn't a benchmark but I've played many Indians online and they make for a formidable match! Some smart cookies!

I know ITAKA organise tours to India and I hope more Poles can go and see for themselves how life is there. I also know that a certain Pole was nervous about her Indian boyfriend coming here. She felt that he would be on the receiving end of racist remarks.

I know Indians through living alongside some for 23 years in Scotland. Also, one of my best friends at secondary school was Indian and I met quite a few Indians through him. They are really nice people and generous too (many free meals) :) :)

I think some Poles would benefit from the same experiences as I.

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Defending Poland, f stop? How?

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I use the Bible to prove my point so what's wrong with that? Have you no respect for Scripture? I draw significance from things, see the position of others and don't slap on a label or give myself a classification or category. I won't sway from that position.

It is not off-topic, no, but I'm on safe ground here as I don't inflame when it comes to religion. One of the forum rules is that we don't discuss religion so fervently. I respect the religion of others, whatever it may be (provided they extract reasonable elements). I won't go too much into theology so as to split Christianity down the line. I look for commonalities and there are many.

I stress the danger of affixing a sticker. I can see some merits in Catholicism (good deeds, for example). However, I just believe that they are artificial constructs and I could also quote many provisions relating to God's Grace which prove that. You want to see an eminent Catholic get defeated in argumentation time after time? Watch this, ... It's one of many topics that they discuss. Dr Walter Martin, helped by Ankerberg admittedly, defeats Rev Mitchell Pacwa. It's really detailed stuff which explores imputation Vs infusion. Deep but they keep it accessible and watchable :)

They are perhaps the foremost authorities on both sides. There is much substantive overlap but, nonetheless, there are key differences.

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What is not recommended?

Food / Buying alcohol, wine in Poland. It's very difficult. [86]

That doesn't change the fact that most wines in Polish shops contain sulphites, regardless of what is the case in other countries. Geez, remind me not to watch a Polish moot ;) ;)

Food / Buying alcohol, wine in Poland. It's very difficult. [86]

You are both right! Such a Polish thing, to argue with sth where there is no argument. LOL

That's Polish 'creativity', LOL. There are many good wines here but not top drawer.

Food / Buying alcohol, wine in Poland. It's very difficult. [86]

I tend to go 30PLN and upwards but I've tasted a decent one for just over 20PLN. A 30PLN wine is like a wine for 8 pounds so you should get sth decent for that!

Food / Buying alcohol, wine in Poland. It's very difficult. [86]

I'll definitely give that a try, Pete. Thanks for the recommendation!! Better than those pretentious and over-priced French offerings.

Food / Buying alcohol, wine in Poland. It's very difficult. [86]

Yeah, Ozzie and NZ are 2 more new-world wine countries and are superb! Jacob's Creek is the commercial one but they have many better. I prefer NZ wines. Jackson's Estate, grown in Marlborough, is superb! Villa Maria too :) :)

Yellow tail? It sounds more like a type of sushi, Pete :) If it's a kind of wine, I can hunt it down. As the thread title suggests, it isn't always easy to find but there are some good places here.

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I'm 95, why do you ask? Nah, just 32 :)

Anyway, MC, what brings you to this forum? Ever been out to a Polish market? Ever talked face-to-face with a Polish person? Ever been to a traditional Polish event?

Food / Buying alcohol, wine in Poland. It's very difficult. [86]

I wouldn't say wine snob by any stretch. I have to say that you have some good vineyards out there in Cali. The climate isn't that different from in Chile where some of the best stuff comes from.

Mad Dogs are quite popular for finishing people off here. It's a real test after you've had some beer.

youtube.com/watch?v=W20Btaww6zc&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Some more Keith Floyd. He's a total wino but it's largely for effect :)

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These are just views, after all. Poland gives its journalists a wide ambit in which to operate so such leeway should be granted on a forum but tempered by the need to realise the difference in knowledge of the country. Wild inaccuracies only serve to rile people and Torq just tries to set the story straight as he sees it. Others here, rather than educate, just get all defensive and surely that can't be the reaction of (for) choice!?

I agree on the second point. I play football with enthusiasm, passionately at times, but always pinch myself that it is just a game.

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I was cynical when I was younger too so I'm consistent :)

Anyway, I hope Polish society moves forward with more apprenticeships and internships. I met a student that I had taught for some time and he managed to pick up an apprenticeship somewhere. An internship is more geared towards functional areas like actuarial work, book-keeping and the like whereas an apprenticeship is more for trades like welding, joinery and plumbing. Tusk needs to extend this as much as possible.

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Torq, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Didn't the Bible teach you that? ;) ;) If sb insults Scotland, so be it. They are mainly going on stereotypes and some nonsense they have picked up anyway.

Catholics do appear to be led by the priest, an artificial construct not specifically provided for in Scripture.

Torq has a point, Matowy. The Mods let a few things slide but with good reason. They are not always here and have lives of their own. Also, a bit of spice is needed as Poles tend to take the bait. Trust me, I've sat in classes where I've had to delicately spark it as, otherwise, they would sit in their boring little worlds and not generate any enthusiasm for anything. Torq, to his credit, comes alive and defends things that matter to him.