jon357
22 Jul 2015
Food / What Polish foods and brands do you miss when you go to other countries? [216]
Wedel chocolate is still good, but Wawel seems better.
Wedel chocolate is still good, but Wawel seems better.
jon357
22 Jul 2015
Food / What Polish foods and brands do you miss when you go to other countries? [216]
Exactly the same as Polish mass-produced food then. The largest consumer of frozen chips in Europe, by the way. Bread the same. How or why someone would miss Baltonowski (a mass produced product) is a mystery.
Sure you can make everything from scratch, however most people back in Poland don't. In the UK although they have processed foods too, the quality and choice tend to be higher. Just no Pasztet Podlaski, Goracy Kubek, parowki, paprykarz szczecinskie (a 1960s invention), kielbasa Torunska & similar.
Missing Ptasie Mleko is an odd one too - basically a mass-produced downmarket product full of chemicals. There are nicer things to miss, and more similar but better quality products available in the UK.
Exactly the same as Polish mass-produced food then. The largest consumer of frozen chips in Europe, by the way. Bread the same. How or why someone would miss Baltonowski (a mass produced product) is a mystery.
Sure you can make everything from scratch, however most people back in Poland don't. In the UK although they have processed foods too, the quality and choice tend to be higher. Just no Pasztet Podlaski, Goracy Kubek, parowki, paprykarz szczecinskie (a 1960s invention), kielbasa Torunska & similar.
Missing Ptasie Mleko is an odd one too - basically a mass-produced downmarket product full of chemicals. There are nicer things to miss, and more similar but better quality products available in the UK.
jon357
22 Jul 2015
UK, Ireland / My bad experiences with Polish neighbours in UK (not meant to offend) [173]
She doesn't need to 'seem convinced', she is right as far as migration to the UK is concerned. Also most are small-town/rural people with a corresponding lack of savoir-faire. Plus the demographic is skewed in favour of the 24-32 age group and towards single men. This does have an affect on what some of these people are like as neighbours.
There are certainly some of the more sophisticated and cosmopolitan people that you describe, however they are in a tiny minority.
and you seem convinced most Poles migrate to do menial jobs
She doesn't need to 'seem convinced', she is right as far as migration to the UK is concerned. Also most are small-town/rural people with a corresponding lack of savoir-faire. Plus the demographic is skewed in favour of the 24-32 age group and towards single men. This does have an affect on what some of these people are like as neighbours.
There are certainly some of the more sophisticated and cosmopolitan people that you describe, however they are in a tiny minority.
jon357
22 Jul 2015
Food / What Polish foods and brands do you miss when you go to other countries? [216]
A strange question. Britain has more breweries per head than any other country in the world. Most produce several beers and many have at least one lager. You should try Samuel Smiths.
What you won't find there so much is mass-produced headache-inducing local rubbish like Zywiec, Tyskie or Lech. They tried than in the 70s and it is now less popular.
Carling, by the way, is a Canadian company.
foreign food is off-topic
And what are the brands of BRITISH lager? Carling is. Fosters is Australian, Stella is Belgique, Heineken Denmark, Holsten German, Kronenburg German. What is british beer besides Carling?
A strange question. Britain has more breweries per head than any other country in the world. Most produce several beers and many have at least one lager. You should try Samuel Smiths.
What you won't find there so much is mass-produced headache-inducing local rubbish like Zywiec, Tyskie or Lech. They tried than in the 70s and it is now less popular.
Carling, by the way, is a Canadian company.
foreign food is off-topic
jon357
21 Jul 2015
News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]
I fear this may be true. There are a few ideas around this. One concept is something called The Great Filter. Google it; it's depressing.
Eminent Australian scientist Professor Frank Fenner, who helped to wipe out smallpox, predicts humans will probably be extinct within 100 years, because of overpopulation, environmental destruction and climate change.
I fear this may be true. There are a few ideas around this. One concept is something called The Great Filter. Google it; it's depressing.
jon357
19 Jul 2015
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
WTF. If you look at the first chart, you'll see that the gun crime rate is high there.
The facts don't lie.
You however do.
Fortunately there is no desire within Poland to relax the current gun control laws. We do not want to be like America.
In Switzerland it is required by law that every family have a gun and trained how to use it
The gun crime rate is zero
The gun crime rate is zero
WTF. If you look at the first chart, you'll see that the gun crime rate is high there.
The facts don't lie.
You however do.
Fortunately there is no desire within Poland to relax the current gun control laws. We do not want to be like America.
jon357
18 Jul 2015
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
The graph below says it all really. The first three on the list have easy gun ownership. The more heavily guns are restricted, the lower the gun crime rate.
Hard to argue with the facts.
The graph below says it all really. The first three on the list have easy gun ownership. The more heavily guns are restricted, the lower the gun crime rate.
Hard to argue with the facts.
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jon357
18 Jul 2015
Language / Polish Language Exchange Thread [145]
Anivlam, or perhaps Malvina, which city are you in?
Anivlam, or perhaps Malvina, which city are you in?
jon357
17 Jul 2015
Law / Weed laws in Poland [25]
Very strict. Locked up for 48 hours while they process it and zero tolerance. A friend was prosecuted for having less than 0.1 grams (basically residue) in the end of a pipe. Screwed up his career as a nurse.
Dealers, even dealing tiny amounts, are jailed.
Very strict. Locked up for 48 hours while they process it and zero tolerance. A friend was prosecuted for having less than 0.1 grams (basically residue) in the end of a pipe. Screwed up his career as a nurse.
Dealers, even dealing tiny amounts, are jailed.
jon357
16 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
That's no answer. As well you know, he is a cynical politician addressing a largely elderly and sentimental audience.
And meanwhile, religious adherence plummets. Poland existed before the Christian era and will exist after it.
Every audience is specific and untypical to some exten
That's no answer. As well you know, he is a cynical politician addressing a largely elderly and sentimental audience.
And meanwhile, religious adherence plummets. Poland existed before the Christian era and will exist after it.
jon357
16 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
No it doesn't. He was speaking to a very specific and untypical audience. He's an opposition politician - he plays to the crowds.
It stand to logic that if the statement of the political leader wouldn't have been acceptable to the majority of Poles he wouldn't said that.
No it doesn't. He was speaking to a very specific and untypical audience. He's an opposition politician - he plays to the crowds.
jon357
16 Jul 2015
Law / Old Polish money banknotes - what's their value today? [415]
Come on @CLUELESS, read the thread. The answer by the way is 'no'.
Come on @CLUELESS, read the thread. The answer by the way is 'no'.
jon357
16 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
All of those descriptions actually fit yourself, off forum. Remember we have met and were neighbours...
Or provides a pulpit (literally) for people to expound their views and frankly behave very badly. This is why it's declining so fast - in Poland they simply went too far...
People who are rich, fat, flabby,self-satisfied and conceited feel they are their own gods.
All of those descriptions actually fit yourself, off forum. Remember we have met and were neighbours...
Religion gives solace to those in need, the downtrodden, sick and abandoned.
Or provides a pulpit (literally) for people to expound their views and frankly behave very badly. This is why it's declining so fast - in Poland they simply went too far...
jon357
16 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
That makes no sense, Pol3. We've proves conclusively in this thread that JK was talking out of his arse as usual, that Poland gets on very well indeed without religious interference and that in any case, religious observance is declining.
That makes no sense, Pol3. We've proves conclusively in this thread that JK was talking out of his arse as usual, that Poland gets on very well indeed without religious interference and that in any case, religious observance is declining.
jon357
16 Jul 2015
Law / Old Polish money banknotes - what's their value today? [415]
I think she means it's 10,000zl in banknotes, just a guess. Probably not as used as you or I to using different currencies.
Unless it's old dewizowa coupons from the PRL, but either way, they're worth more as fire kindling.
I think she means it's 10,000zl in banknotes, just a guess. Probably not as used as you or I to using different currencies.
Unless it's old dewizowa coupons from the PRL, but either way, they're worth more as fire kindling.
jon357
16 Jul 2015
Law / Old Polish money banknotes - what's their value today? [415]
I'd like to see the look on their faces.
Hard to know what she means by '100 dollar bills' if it's Polish money. Does she mean those dewizowa coupons? Also worthless now.
just go to the nearest money exchange.
10,000 dollars in polish money from 1988 all 100 dollar bills
I'd like to see the look on their faces.
Hard to know what she means by '100 dollar bills' if it's Polish money. Does she mean those dewizowa coupons? Also worthless now.
jon357
16 Jul 2015
Law / Old Polish money banknotes - what's their value today? [415]
You mean 10,000 zl?
Polish banknotes fro 1988 are worthless now.
I have10,000 dollars in polish money from 1988 all 100 dollar bills
You mean 10,000 zl?
Polish banknotes fro 1988 are worthless now.
jon357
16 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
I'd say it's more that when Poland was at it's weakest, for example during the fascist occupation during WWII, religion provided a rallying point.
Much as it is now.
If the RCC was better behaved, if they towed down the absolutism and the nationalism, focussed the politic side on social justice rather than some of the pronouncements of recent years, dealt with the Torun Redemptorists etc they might not be haemorrhaging adherents so fast.
History has shown that Poland is the strongest when it's people were more conected with God.
I'd say it's more that when Poland was at it's weakest, for example during the fascist occupation during WWII, religion provided a rallying point.
our szlachta fought amongst ourselves and the church became a political tool
Much as it is now.
If the RCC was better behaved, if they towed down the absolutism and the nationalism, focussed the politic side on social justice rather than some of the pronouncements of recent years, dealt with the Torun Redemptorists etc they might not be haemorrhaging adherents so fast.
jon357
14 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
Yes. It's when people try to politicise it - not because of the core values but because of the peripherals - that problems start.
So not living as catholics...
hat little bit of privacy is in fact guaranteed by Polish law.
Yes. It's when people try to politicise it - not because of the core values but because of the peripherals - that problems start.
Maybe a lot of people are to lazy or busy to keep up their church attendance.
So not living as catholics...
jon357
14 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
Lots, and 'packed' still doesn't mean that the majority, or anything like a majority, attend or are even interested.
And you haven't been outside of Warsaw much?
Lots, and 'packed' still doesn't mean that the majority, or anything like a majority, attend or are even interested.
jon357
14 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
Bingo. It's the ones who shout loudest that are the worst examples to others.
As I have said many times, the vast majority of Polish Catholics are very nice people; the problem is that the people who shout loudest about being patriotic Polish Catholics are very often simply not good Christians.
Bingo. It's the ones who shout loudest that are the worst examples to others.
jon357
13 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
Likewise. I'm also probably one of the poorest in the street except for domestic staff and also one of the poorest in the neighbourhood and according to that misleading tosh I'm well in the top 0.2%! I certainly don't feel it. Even when I was teaching English in Warsaw I fell into the top half million and very definitely didn't feel it. Those figures are distorted by people with multiple incomes, the asset rich/cash poor and undeclared/overseas incomes. I will say though that the local parish church isn't particularly busy and that also goes for the church in the notoriously rough housing estate down the road - that isn't busy either.
This is a recurrent theme in some of these threads. A kind of irrational fear that things are always going to get worse rather than better. People often do turn to religion and/or reflect on faith and the transcendent in times of difficulty. Poland has had a century of that and, together with the JPII effect and political currents that opposed all religions created something rather unhealthy. This is now passing to the despair of the ultra-reactionaries.
Laughable. I am the poorest man on my street, and according to that "table" I am in the top half million wage earners :) ROFL
Likewise. I'm also probably one of the poorest in the street except for domestic staff and also one of the poorest in the neighbourhood and according to that misleading tosh I'm well in the top 0.2%! I certainly don't feel it. Even when I was teaching English in Warsaw I fell into the top half million and very definitely didn't feel it. Those figures are distorted by people with multiple incomes, the asset rich/cash poor and undeclared/overseas incomes. I will say though that the local parish church isn't particularly busy and that also goes for the church in the notoriously rough housing estate down the road - that isn't busy either.
Slippery slope fallacy.
This is a recurrent theme in some of these threads. A kind of irrational fear that things are always going to get worse rather than better. People often do turn to religion and/or reflect on faith and the transcendent in times of difficulty. Poland has had a century of that and, together with the JPII effect and political currents that opposed all religions created something rather unhealthy. This is now passing to the despair of the ultra-reactionaries.
jon357
13 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
Poland as a culture certainly predates the RCC - when Christianity was introduced in the 10th Century it was pre-schism and therefore not RCC. Even before Christianity (which came late to Poland, around 700 years later than it did to Britain), Poland existed. Probably none the worse for having whatever religion predominated.
And with opinions like this oozing out of conservative catholics, do you wonder why it's becoming increasingly a minority sport?
if there is no Poland without the RCC
Poland as a culture certainly predates the RCC - when Christianity was introduced in the 10th Century it was pre-schism and therefore not RCC. Even before Christianity (which came late to Poland, around 700 years later than it did to Britain), Poland existed. Probably none the worse for having whatever religion predominated.
propagandisti
your freak parade!
And with opinions like this oozing out of conservative catholics, do you wonder why it's becoming increasingly a minority sport?
jon357
13 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
You seem to see it as an either/or situation. Not that there's anything at all wrong with a one-parent family; Poland has plenty, whether religious or not...
The good old days, all that evil progress stopping morally upright husbands from physically chastising their wifies who are barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen...
we can all look forward to more unwed mothers, bastard births, broken homes, confused fatherless kids, desertions
You seem to see it as an either/or situation. Not that there's anything at all wrong with a one-parent family; Poland has plenty, whether religious or not...
maybe it would be better to raise our children with wife and child beating, alcoholism, and children's money being spent on booze?
The good old days, all that evil progress stopping morally upright husbands from physically chastising their wifies who are barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen...
jon357
13 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
This is pretty much the urban Polish story, and increasingly so out in the sticks.
so you are baptized, married in church, and currently agnostic? me too, me too, and me too. Nice to hear your story and opinion.
This is pretty much the urban Polish story, and increasingly so out in the sticks.
jon357
13 Jul 2015
jon357
13 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
Exactly and the behaviour of the clergy and certain politicians had in very large part facilitated this...
But certainly not jam packed with crowds standing in the rain, as the poster idly and misleadingly suggested..
Well, Pol3, there are plenty of Polish language fora waiting with baited breath for an extreme right-wing American misanthrope to come along and tell the majority that they should start attending churches again.
Is it meant to be? Is any forum?
chewing straw ;-)
Many young Poles don't believe in the value of church nowadays.
Exactly and the behaviour of the clergy and certain politicians had in very large part facilitated this...
Polish chruches are definitely fuller on Sundays.
But certainly not jam packed with crowds standing in the rain, as the poster idly and misleadingly suggested..
You will find that PF despite the name is populated largely by expats and non-Poles
Well, Pol3, there are plenty of Polish language fora waiting with baited breath for an extreme right-wing American misanthrope to come along and tell the majority that they should start attending churches again.
do you believe PF posters reflect a representative cross-section of Polish public opinion?
Is it meant to be? Is any forum?
not only Poland B but also outside of Poland A cities, most (including younger) Poles are unfortunately
chewing straw ;-)
jon357
13 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
So you haven't been in Warsaw much lately?
Religious affiliation and/or nationality make not one fig of difference.
If you visit Polish churches you will see, big city or small village, that the churches are full. Full as in, stand outside in the rain, full.
So you haven't been in Warsaw much lately?
Neither John or Dominic are Polish or church goers
Religious affiliation and/or nationality make not one fig of difference.
jon357
13 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
Even more than that - he was playing to the gallery and the audience were an untypical bunch.
Most realise that - hence dumping him as quickly as the electorate could - he didn't even complete a term of office. The mohair berets gathered at the event he turned up to were among the minority who think he's a lovely person.
@jon357 so JK adjusted his speech to the audience.
Even more than that - he was playing to the gallery and the audience were an untypical bunch.
Like I said before, the guy is not stupid. He's just offensive.
Most realise that - hence dumping him as quickly as the electorate could - he didn't even complete a term of office. The mohair berets gathered at the event he turned up to were among the minority who think he's a lovely person.
jon357
13 Jul 2015
News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]
In my case yes - at home we speak no other language and yes, reading isn't a problem. Writing is a not so easy.
We need to be very aware that JK was speaking at a very special event - one with religious people and he was telling them what they want to hear. The audience was far from typical.
I'm curious, do both of you speak Polish fluently? Can you read in Polish? I take it both of you are in Poland.
In my case yes - at home we speak no other language and yes, reading isn't a problem. Writing is a not so easy.
We need to be very aware that JK was speaking at a very special event - one with religious people and he was telling them what they want to hear. The audience was far from typical.