History / Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors [77]


Oh, no probs. I misread that.

All in all a tragic figure, Rokossovski, perceived as a Pole in Russia and as a Russian in Poland. In different historical circumstances and under different political system he might well have been remembered as a hero of two nations. Alas, history's a b*tch sometimes. :(

History / Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors [77]


I'm sorry to hear that, Bobi. I'm just telling you about the general perception of Rokossowski in Poland.


After Stalin's death, it was only a question of time when his faithful praetorian is sent back home. As I said, the purges in the Polish Army that he initiated and supervised is what shaped his image in Poland.


I don't deny that. Hero of Soviet Union no doubt. But it so happens that heroes of one country are not necessarily perceived as such in another. Life.

History / Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors [77]


Makes sense. Piłsudski had his vehement opponents too but in the Polish-Soviet war they were there in the trenches together with Piłsudski's most dedicated followers.

As for Rokossovski, he is perceived mostly negatively in Poland; yes, he defended characteristic Polish military traditions (two-finger salute, rogatywkas, cross-shaped medals etc.) and considered himself a Pole, but he was very ideologically minded and initiated stalinist purges in Wojsko Polskie, sending many Polish patriots (a lot of them pre-war officers) to their deaths.

History / Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors [77]


I have no idea. Surnames are sometimes strange.


Is it completely unnatural? We do have "rży"/"rżeć" and "drży"/"drżeć" after all. But it's very unusual, true.

But this...


... is also possible.

We have to write to professor Miodek (or Bralczyk). :)

History / Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors [77]


Unusual, but legit.


Exactly.


Not that difficult but it does indeed sound a bit Czech; they have those strč, prst, skrž, krk etc. clusters.

History / Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors [77]


Typical reaction of a foreigner learning Polish phonological system.


The Russian transliteration is accurate but you would probably pronounce the ending closer to "iy" than "i". In general Russians make Polish sound much softer than it really is.


Yes, there is. As I said, it's Krżyżanowski not Krzyżanowski.

History / Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors [77]


It's not Krzyżanowski, Maf. It's Krżyżanowski.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleb_Kr%C5%BCy%C5%BCanowski

History / Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors [77]

Children, children... you think you're ready for the Polish language pronunciation? :)

Krżyżanowski (rus. transl. Кржижано́вский) is correctly pronounced Krʒy-ʒa-nov-ski, where "ʒ" is the consonant sound in English 'measure' or 'pleasure', and "y" has no English equivalent but it's close to the first "y" sound in 'mystify'. The "Krʒy" cluster may be a bit difficult for foreigners but that's the point. :)

News / Polish PM Tusk- dictator or not? What Poles think? [455]


You use such nasty words, Gumishu.

He simply appreciates and respects himself and sometimes has to make tactical changes in his current discourse (as any politician is bound to).

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

Polish-Serbian Brotherhood: 2024

In the photo we can see Serbian and Polish hooligans of Voždovac Belgrade and Łomżyński KS celebrating Serbian-Polish brotherhood during a game between Bačka Topola and FK Voždovac.

And after the game...

... Poland and Serbia - Northern and Southern Guardians of Intermarium.

News / Polish PM Tusk- dictator or not? What Poles think? [455]


For me it is enough that he considers Aleksandar Vučić to be his friend. As he said in his speech in Belgrade (delivered in Serbian language)...


consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2018/04/25/remarks-by-president-donald-tusk-after-his-meeting-with-president-aleksandar-vucic-of-serbia/

... very strong Kashubian-Serbian-Polish-Sarmatian current of blood flowing here.

Remember, Crow, when Polish and Serbian dicks cooperate, there is no arsehole in the world that they cannot f*ck. Serbia will be the southern guardian of Intermarium and Poland the northern one - always and forever as it should be.

*starts dancing a Slavic war dance*

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


Thanks. *high five*

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]

Official final results from the Pomeranian Vojvodship: KO 51,06%, PiS 28,07%.

From Gdańsk with love ♥ ♥ ♥ Free Poland has not yet perished. :)

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

From Poland with kisses: 1974

This charming photo which looks like a modern-day dziubek selfie was actually taken half a century ago in Wrocław. The name of the woman in the photo is probably Natalia (see the bottom right corner) and she made this lovely dziubek for us before it was fashionable.

Source: MuFo, Muzeum Fotografii w Krakowie

History / Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors [77]


It worked both ways, of course. Poland remembers Nadzieja O'Brien de Lacy princess Drucka, Aleksander Ford, Paweł Akimow, Konstanty de Lazari, Oleg Zakirow, Natalia Gałczyńska or Igor Newerly, but one doesn't have to go back in time to appreciate the contribution of people with Russian roots into Polish science, culture and politics. Igor Czerniawski, Maria Żuk, Robert Terentiew, Aleksandra Strunin, Maryla Rodowicz, Karol Modzelewski, Piotr Ikonowicz, Julia Hartwig, Magda Gessler, Piotr Gąsowski, to name just a few, all contributed/are contributing to the greatness of modern-day Poland.

But this is not intended to take over your thread, Bobi. I shall read it with much pleasure and interest. :)

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


Reluctantly. Marek Sawicki should lead PSL - good conservative Catholic.

As for K-K, he should never have become the Defence Minister in the first place.


Well, f*ck you too, Iron.

History / Did Poles living in Germany support Hitler's rise to power before World War II? [161]


Nope. I wrote to them on Facebook once, and they replied with words of full courtesy for Poland and Poles. ;)

News / Polish PM Tusk- dictator or not? What Poles think? [455]


... and a veritable Kashubian Sarmat. :)

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


Most sailors were in the Russian navy long before March 2022.


That's called desertion - a death sentence.

Anyways, let's not drag the Euro elections thread off-topic too much.

News / Polish PM Tusk- dictator or not? What Poles think? [455]

Yes, but they won in the east. And Macron has just dissolved the French parliament and ordered new elections.

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


I hope all your family members come back home safely after the war.


Hardly. A soldier/sailor receives an order and goes to fight for his country, regardless of who's in power.

News / Polish PM Tusk- dictator or not? What Poles think? [455]


AfD wins in former DDR and Le Pen wins in France. Interesting times ahead.

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


See, you're being a son of a brit again, Jon.

No reason to celebrate the death of sailors, not to mention the silly name calling.

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]

@Maf

Putin is not Russia, and most of Russians who "support" him do so out of fear. You can hear it in multiple YT interviews when it's obvious they're afraid to speak against him (but still some do).

Russia, a brotherly Slavic country, will be around long after Putin and his mafia land in the trash bin of history, let's not forget that.


It's the level of theft which has been coming to light in recent months that's staggering; and the creativity with which they stole (e.g. the Red is Bad scandal)!

I wouldn't call them rightist either. They cherished working class, unemployed and social margin, whilst effectively destroying the middle class and being practically at war with teachers, doctors, nurses, most artists, business owners, and middle-class professionals. Some rightists!

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]


The problem is not that Kонфедерация is pro-Russian. I am pro-Russian too and PSL are fairly pro-Russian as well if you scratch the surface. Kонфедерация, on the other hand, is pro-Putinist and that's the problem. :-/

News / PiS candidates are losing positions in EU Parliament. Will they keep power in Poland? [358]

Unfortunately, Trzecia Droga loses to Kонфедерация :(

PSL should disassociate themselves from Hołownia and his ilk. I bet they would get more votes if they did. When-oh-when will the favour of Polish peasants swing once again into PSL's favour and out of PiS's?

*goes to lick his wounds in sadness*

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

Nothing sacred in war: 1946

In the photo we can see the damage done to Gdańsk's iconic St. Mary's Church. Almost every church in the city centre was destroyed or badly damaged by the Red Army. The only exception was St. Nicholas' church (the oldest one!) whose parish priest managed to convince the Soviet soldiers to leave the building alone with the highly persuasive combination of wine from the church's cellar and stories about its patron saint who is highly revered in Orthodox tradition.

History / 20 years of Poland in the EU. [317]


Not really.

Average wage in Belarus is 830 euro, and in Bulgaria 1020 euro. Again, far from twice the level.


Really? From the same link...

Of course, I would still prefer to live in Bulgaria (economic freedom, climate, opportunities) because, as you said, they develop faster than Belarus, but still - considering their EU membership - Bulgaria fails to impress in general. So, it takes much more than just the EU membership for a country to succeed.

History / 20 years of Poland in the EU. [317]

Anyways - here's a proof that the EU membership alone is not enough to lift a country out of poverty and corruption...

versus.com/pl/bia%C5%82oru%C5%9B-vs-bu%C5%82garia

... after almost 20 years of EU membership Bulgaria is on a comparable level to Belarus in most areas. :-/

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

Child's play: 1958

Internet and video games hadn't yet captivated the souls and minds of Polish children in 1950s, so they had to invent their own ways of spending free time. Here we can see a group of kids engaging in a rather dangerous game of racing cars passing through a small Lesser-Poland town of Annopol.