News / What will Britain's Labor Coup mean for Poland? [100]


I know....Germany has a long great tradition with "Social Democracy"....a way to counter the worst excesses of unchecked Capitalism. But even they have to take care of their more radical left wing, since Socialism...any socialist ideas....are no vote winner in Germany. The "Left" is generally losing percents every election now.

But that was since 1989....the global left was defeated then, not only in the former Eastern Bloc countries. The western left still has not gotten over this, I wonder if that is at least a talking point in western left parties, sometimes I doubt that! Just ignoring that big elephant in the room, just avoiding the words, won't help in the long run. It needs a new story, something outside of the old known books....something new!

News / What will Britain's Labor Coup mean for Poland? [100]


Well....since 1989 all western Lefties have been careful not to use the old words and slogans....they put away the red flags with Che and Mao on them too....but they have still no real alternative developed since. They just don't talk about the soon-to-be-build-Socialism anymore but the idea is still there. It's the only alternative to Capitalism there is!

PS: Socialism is only the pre-step to Communism. The big old goal! And it can't be democratic, it must be oppressive...for "the good of mankind", you know....

News / What will Britain's Labor Coup mean for Poland? [100]


....na ja....those who want to cull Capitalism think so.

At least they never came up with a better, viable option till now...it somehow always ends in Socialism! And Socialism/Communism is inhuman, as in against human nature. To keep it alive the Socialists need always soon the means of oppression or people would just vote them out of power again. Since 200 years the alternatives always ended in oppression.

So...till they don't throw all these books by Marx etc. into the trashcan for good I keep fearing the worst. *shrugs*

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News / What will Britain's Labor Coup mean for Poland? [100]


Half of Europe, which did "enjoy" the alternative for half a century, might think otherwise....

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

mjammi:)

*takes one to the other thread*:)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

There won't be any WWIII when we stay allies, brothers and friends....so! :)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

.....so....soon it starts....everything is possible....

The referee is English! If we lose I can blame Jon:)

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History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

....that would be best! :)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


Na ja....this time you would need to start and invade....maybe you have more luck with that! :)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Let it be....it's better that way!

If Poles re-open any question of reparation there will be their pendant on the german side, guaranteed....now with a Putin-friendly AfD rising in Germany...not so smart!

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


If I send him a few Euros out of my german wallet would that make him happy?

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


I wonder how his kind would react to a re-birth of Prussia....I guess he would then wish for the current Germany back....badly! :)

History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]


What's that?

Off-Topic / Assasination attempt? Warning? Member of Hungarian PM Viktor Orban's police escort killed in Germany [15]

....and the german victim was just an accident?

Then the female driver of that car needs to be investigated....

Off-Topic / Assasination attempt? Warning? Member of Hungarian PM Viktor Orban's police escort killed in Germany [15]

Yeah....a german police officer, nice of you to remember him!

yahoo.com/news/german-policeman-dies-escorting-orb-193210479.html

....A German motorcycle police officer died and another was seriously injured when they were involved in an accident on Monday while escorting Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán to Stuttgart airport, police in the west German city reported.

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During the journey to the airport, the car of a 69-year-old woman collided with a motorcycle driven by a 61-year-old police officer. He was severely injured and died later in hospital.....

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News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]

@Ironside

Let's try this...if Poland is smart and demands what it wants and needs it can be a good thing for Poland!

If that doesn't work either we can still re-build the inner-EU borders again....but something has to happen.

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]


Na ja...it's the EU....nothing there is "quick":

Google translation from that link:

...Next steps

Member States now have two years to put the laws adopted today into practice. The European Commission will shortly present a common implementation plan to support Member States in this process.....


....and this is it???

You preferred Poland to help illegals along through Poland till Germany?


A law like this!

Actually Germany was quite naive about this years back....actually it is an old law that newcomers need to be processed in the first EU-country they set foot in. German lawmakers thought Germany would be then totally in the fine....surrounded by other member states. Well...you know that this didn't work!

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]


....if I were Poland I would start writing a long list. It is agreed that the other member states support the external members, whose borders are breached be these people.

You can demand everything...money...even troops and other real help! That makes alot of sense and would explain why the outer EU countries like Poland agreed!


I guess that was the core of that agreement. To move them back into camps outside of the EU...near the first EU-border they breached...there their applications will be taken in and processed...and since most of them will be rejected the way to remove them won't be so complicated anymore as it is right now.

In my estimation that could be the first step to the "Festung Europa".....

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]


...that's the new plan in short!

(in English)

bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/eu-asylum-reform-2195634

....According to the new EU asylum reform , everyone must be strictly checked and registered at the EU's external borders. Anyone who has little chance of protection in the EU will have to go through a legal asylum procedure at the external borders and, if their application is rejected, will have to return from there. ...

As I understand it if the illegal comes from another "external border" than Poland he gets not send back to Poland....right?

....To counterbalance the current system, where a few Member States - namely those at the external borders - are responsible for the vast majority of asylum applications, a new solidarity mechanism will apply that is simple, predictable and workable.,,,,

What do you think, Iron?

That's more detailed (but only in German):

consilium.europa.eu/de/press/press-releases/2024/05/14/the-council-adopts-the-eu-s-pact-on-migration-and-asylum/

....Responsibility and solidarity

The new rules clarify which Member State will be responsible for an asylum application (e.g. in cases where a person has a family member in an EU country or when the asylum application is not made in the country where the asylum seeker first arrived in the EU).

Another important aspect of the reform of the migration system is the introduction of a solidarity mechanism to ensure a fairer allocation of responsibilities. The new rules combine mandatory solidarity to support Member States facing a large influx of migrants with flexibility in the type of contributions. Member States' contributions can take the form of relocation, financial contributions or, if agreed with the beneficiary Member State, alternative solidarity measures (e.g. provision of border guards or support in setting up reception centres).....

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]

Just found this:

x.com/visegrad24/status/1804533385576013962

Maybe Poland should invest in better borders now?

Less flooding in = less having to be send back?

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]

...I'm glad....the first step to a better border security for EU countries....what's not to like?

Either the current EU govs do something effective or the rising nationalist-rightist govs will do far worse!

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]


Do you mean the asylum reform?

consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-migration-policy/eu-migration-asylum-reform-pact/

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]


With what?

We just lost a war.....

News / France and Germany plan to flood Poland with illegal migrants. [199]

I guess that would be big news here.....and I thought France has not even a real gov anymore actually....

Do you have a link, Iron?

History / 20 years of Poland in the EU. [317]

We have footie EC in Germany right now!

Because of that all border controls got increased, more or less fortified....

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


....maybe your wishes will come true in the next years anyhow....with the rising right parties gaining more power in Brussels....who knows what will happen.

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


....or maybe an example of "Realpolitik"?

Compared to the example I posted, with EU-elections and working in political groups in Brussels, how do you imagine PiS or PO or any other ruling party in Warsaw will work for polish interests OUTSIDE of the EU....more successfully that is?

That would really interest me....you must have an alternative in mind, yes? After a Polexit....

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]


Hmmm.....interesting idea....but let's face it, we both have not really all the insights how Brussels works, right?

What I know is that the EU parliament is a good mirror of the politics in its member countries....means they are all there, nobody is clearly forced to stay out. You are eligible to get voted for in your home country, you are eligible for Brussels!

Then there are these fractions...groups with common ideas, and yes, also common interests are able and invited into fractions, where your party finds like minded politicions from across Europe....with the goal to support and strenghten each others cases!

After last sunday they look like this:



Polish parties are everywhere:

ECR - European Conservatives and Reformists Group 27

PiS Prawo i Sprawiedliwość (razem z Suwerenna Polska i Republikanie) 25
SP Sovereign Poland 1
SPZZ Solidarna Polska Zbigniewa Ziobro 1[/i]

EPP - Group of the European People's Party (Christian Democrats) 16

PO Platforma Obywatelska 1
PSL (Coal. KE) Koalicja Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe 2
Ind. (Coal. KE) Independents 3

S&D - Group of the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats in the European Parliament 7

NW Nowa Lewica 5
SLD Sojusz Lewicy Demokratycznej - Unia Pracy 1
Ind. Independents 1

Renew Europe - Renew Europe Group 1

Polska 2050 Polska 2050 1

NI - Non-attached Members 1

Ind. Independents 1

results.elections.europa.eu/en/national-results/poland/2019-2024/outgoing-parliament/

So....first I would look which faction would be right for me and my party....there I would find surely people agreeing with me, and then the work begins...making plans, detailing, building a stable, legal proposal....looking for supporters in other fractions....making deals and compromises...."scratching other peoples backs so they will scratch mine"...the whole drill the same as at home...more or less!

You are not really alone, and not only one politician (from...say...Germany) decides over your wish to change something....you start with your politicial group and when you find enough support in other groups you will get the needed votes to make your proposal real, if not then not.

I'm not so sure how to make that system better, Iron...

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1442]

....na ja...it's all speculation now anyhow....lets wait and see....

The current attack from the outside (Russia) did put alot of life back into our unions, be it EU or NATO.....who would have thought of that before!