Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]

@Novichok, yeah, it looks horrible... It doesn't seem like people are living there... 🤔

That was 7 years ago though, so who knows what happened to it.

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]

@Novichok, by "run down" I meant "wyglądające obskurnie" and not unfit for living or use. I didn't know how to put it in English.

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]

Since we've switched to discussing painting on walls :) - murals by Natalia Rak, a graduate of Academy of Fine Arts in Łódź, born in 1986, who's creating both in Poland and internationally:

First the artist:



And her work:

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]


It does seem to be happening in Poland these days too:

infoludek.pl/szczecin/miasto-wskazalo-lokalizacje-przeznaczone-do-malowania-graffiti/


Yeah, it can make some run down, gray buildings, etc. look less depressing, I guess.


Me too. I especially hate it on historic buildings. And I despise those a$$holes who cover proper street art, murals with their ugly scribbles, destroying people's work :/

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]

Nonsense, both the US and Poland had and have both intelligent and dumb graffiti :)) (although I don't know what's so "intelligent" about supporting gang drug sales) Stop trolling, Novichok.

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]

Wow, I didn't know about this, thanks!

And even in those times people complained about it lol - a quote from that Wiki article:

Writing around 100 AD, Plutarch wrote of graffiti: "There is nothing written in them which is either useful or pleasing - only so-and-so 'remembers' so-and-so, and 'wishes him the best', and is 'the best of his friends', and many things full of such ridiculousness".

:D

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]

@Novichok, that's graffiti and there's nothing particularly "Polish" about it. Graffiti originated in the US - so maybe that's why you love it :)))

Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]

And some more:

"Islands":



"Dinner":



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Life / Paintings of artists from Poland? [192]

Paweł Kuczyński, a graduate of Academy of Fine Arts in Poznań who was born in 1976, is an illustrator and a satirist who won a record high number of contests.

Some of his works:

"Escape" - watercolours and coloured pencils on paper, 22 × 33.5 cm:



"Smoczek" ("Pacifier") - watercolours + coloured pencils on paper, 29.7 x 21 cm:



"Ukryty" ("Hidden") - watercolours + coloured pencils on paper, 22 x 33.5 cm:



"Księżyc" ("The Moon") - coloured pencils on cardboard, 30 x 30 cm:



"Monument":





"Mur" ("The Wall") - watercolours + pastels on paper, 29.7 x 21 cm.
This piece won the first place at Satyrykon 2023 contest:

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News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Oh, why is that this time? Because it's obviously short enough. You're as pathetic as Novichok when he's losing an argument.

Btw, do you know why I called you an a$$hole? Because already from those earlier posts I could see that you're most probably a lost cause. So I continued this discussion to see more of your true colours and for the benefit of others - to spread some info and awareness.


I've just put you on a certain list of mine too.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]

@pawian, sorry, but you have the time to discuss with me, but not to read one post? Stop being a lying a-hole.

Summary:

1. According to research AI art generators can't be "trained" only on AI art, because then they stop working properly. So it looks like they have to continuously steal human art.

2. AI art generators don't imitate, they "physically" steal existing art and photos from the internet. There have been reports about AI artworks containing signatures of existing artists and watermarks of photo stock sites.

3. I will post an example, but I have to do some digging to find it.

Short enough for you? 🙄

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Well... :) I'm not an expert on this, but according to research it's apparently possible that at some point AI will start "eating its own tail":

popularmechanics.com/technology/a44675279/ai-content-model-collapse/

"Another recent study, similarly posted to the pre-print arXiv server, studied AI image generators trained on other AI art. By the AI's third attempt to create a bird or flower with only a steady diet of AI data, the results came back blurry and unrecognizable."

So, it looks like AI needs to continuously steal human art in order to work properly.


Cloning humans was banned by law in many countries because it was raising ethical issues. So this kind of "progress" could be stopped. The AI companies could also be banned by law from scrapping copyrighted artworks and forced to use only open source art and photos and art and photos that author's would contribute out of their own will (for money, for example - at least they would be compensated).


No... I don't know how to explain this to you... Do you know what collage is? You know, when you take pieces of different photos or different artworks and put them together? That is, to simply put, how art generators work. They don't "imitate", they use actual art and photos. AI generators don't even know what is imitating. They don't know or understand anything, because this not real AI. They don't even know that humans have five fingers and not six or four lol Even kids know how many fingers people have :)


I've seen such an example. I'll post it when I find it, but I'll have to do some digging.

Btw, there have been reports about AI artworks containing signatures of existing artists and watermarks of photo stock sites.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


I guess I am, but first and foremost I think I'm simply more interested in art and I've seen more of it than you.


I'm just sharing my observations. What you stated is simply not true. I mean - I've seen new, original, individual art styles of artists with my own eyes lol 🤦


First of all, it's apparently debatable that he said that. Popular quotes are often attributed mistakenly to famous people.
Secondly, getting inspired is something different than stealing. And that's what the current AI art generators are doing - they're stealing.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Of course it is possible lol I've seen plenty of new, individual, original art styles in my life. You don't seem to know or understand much about art.


Sorry, but no lol


Of course not :)

Besides, I pointed out that AI isn't capable of creating a new art style, because you quoted a comment about people getting more "creative". And because one of the AI creators' lies is that AI art generators "will boost artists' creativity" LOL 🤦

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Then don't lie that you didn't read my post, because I called you an a$$hole.


If AI would be capable of actually inventing a new art style that would mean this is real AI and not an advanced, thieving "collage making machine". That would be at least interesting and first and foremost - legal. But that's not what current AI art generators are.


You don't know that.


No, they aren't. It seems that few people care about this, the ethical and legal issues and, as it looks like - about visual artists themselves. Human greed is clearly more important than ethics and empathy.

But we won't go without fight.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


This issue is more important than my abuse of you. I called you an a$$hole before and you read my posts anyway. So, I think it's just a lame excuse made by you - similar to those made by Novichok when he's losing an argument.


AI users won't get more "creative" ;D They will simply prompt art styles of other artists. They already do.

AI art generators aren't capable of inventing new art styles. There's one typical, generic "AI style" that those AI generators usually produce, but because it always looks the same people instantly recognise it and get bored by it. That's why they prompt art styles of existing arists. They can't create anything new on their own.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Then you will miss out on other important points that I made. And my post isn't THAT long. I think you don't want to read it for other reasons.


I didn't. Btw, do you also don't read articles, because they're "too long"? lol My post is actually a convenient to read summary of all kinds of issues raised in many articles.


That's not what I wrote. I wrote that his art style is the most popular among users of AI art generators. And those who are interested in graphic design are likely to have heard of him (like I have).


It doesn't matter how "repetitive" you find it. Even if a student of Leonardo da Vinci would paint a painting similar in style to his master, it doesn't mean that you could go to his house and steal it from him. And that's how AI art generators work - they don't "learn" to make art, they literally steal existing copyrighted works.

And I agree to a significant degree with Rutkowski - copying someone's art style is lame, but not illegal. However, using existing artwork or photographs without authors' consent is not only unethical, but simply ILLEGAL.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]

@pawian, then read it in parts when you have time before making ignorant comments.

A very short summary - AI art generators are violating copyrights of millions of artists and photographers by scrapping copyrighted art and photos from the internet without the permission of the said artists and photographers.

That's why there are law suits in the US against those AI companies - law suits put forward by visual artists and photo stock sites.

One of the artists taking part in a group law suit of artists is a popular and successful Polish graphic designer and painter Grzegorz Rutkowski - his art style was prompted in AI art generators more often than that of Picasso, Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci:

technologyreview.com/2022/09/16/1059598/this-artist-is-dominating-ai-generated-art-and-hes-not-happy-about-it/

wyborcza.biz/biznes/7,177150,28933287,smierc-autora-jak-technologia-zabija-sztuke.html

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


What "concert"? lol On the internet?? ;D


Concerts are usually attended by fans of singers or music bands. Do you think their fans would like their favourite music idols to be put out of work?

There's another issue - that of copyrights - so the ethical and legal aspect. The way AI art generators, for example, came into being and how they work nowadays is unethical and against the law. The AI companies that created them claim that AI was just "trained" on human art available on the internet and that it "learns" to make art like humans do. From what I've managed to gather and from what critics are saying - that's a lie. AI art generators are simply advanced "collage making machines". They didn't "learn" to make art (since it isn't a real AI anyway) - they are using existing artworks of artists published on the internet in order to make new ones. It gives an illusion of creating something new and original only because AI is scrapping billions of artworks and photos (including child pornography, btw), many of which are copyrighted and hence stealing from millions of artists. That's why it needs such "calculating power" and it has to be connected to the internet. Artists didn't agree for their art to be used in this way.


You're welcome.


No, AI is already capable of creating art on the level of the best human artists. So even the best in some fields are already being replaced. I'm afraid that as it progresses the best artists in any field won't be valued anymore and will be replaced.

And, btw, AI is capable of making such good looking art only because of scrapping copyrighted art. The creators of AI art generators admitted themselves that AI wouldn't be so good if it didn't scrap copyrighted art and photos and used only open source stuff instead.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


I guess you missed my comments on this forum in which I wrote that I've graduated from an art school and that I make art?

You think that wouldn't make me understand and care about art, artists and creative people in general? o_O


And they deserve to be paid. Like everyone - for their work, time and effort.


Wow, you're one cheap, selfish a$$hole.


Firstly, my guess is that many artisans and craftsmen probably enjoyed that process. Secondly, the stuff that factories produce often have to be simplified for the mass production, like furniture, for example. So there's still room for craftsmen, like people making furniture, to make something more complicated, "na wymiar" and original. And even in case of those simplified furniture - someone has to design them. So there's some room left for human creativity.

AI replaces that human creativity completely. AI bros and big corpos has sniffed money, so I'm guessing that AI will be getting only better and better and at some point human creativity won't be needed at all. That's not the future of the humankind that I'd like to see.

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Clearly.


Would you call arists, writers, singers, musicians, etc. and human creativity in general as something "worse" and "less efficient"? Something that should be replaced? Whatever for?


I keep seeing AI supporters making this (and other dumb ones) equivalent. But that's not how it works in creative professions. In creative professions people actually enjoy doing their jobs. And what AI is doing is taking away the creative process and people out of the equation. I've seen young people asking more experienced artists whether there's any point in going to art schools and choosing an art career. They feel useless, hopeless and depressed.

You know, that's not how I would like to see the future with AI. Stuff that people love doing being taken over by AI. That's just... f*cking sad.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]

@pawian, and that's the problem with people... You don't care about others... Many people will only start caring when AI comes for their jobs.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


:(((

The doom of us all...

Love / Polish guy canceled 3rd date on me, is he uninterested or am I reading too much into it [43]


...and keep a pepper spray or sth in your handbag, btw, just in case... Especially in case of on-line dating, I guess.

Love / Polish guy canceled 3rd date on me, is he uninterested or am I reading too much into it [43]




lol


He would say that, wouldn't he... lol

If you had doubts, that probably means it was too early for you... Don't let men pressure you into sex. A guy who's not willing to wait for it is simply not interested in you, only in sex.


Was it his initiative or yours?


I don't think it's typical just for American men... And this guy lived for 8 years in the US.

Btw, do you know from which part of Poland or city this guy comes from? What are his views? Conservative or liberal? How old the two of you are?

My advice is - wait and see. Since you proposed to meet on Sunday, this time wait for his proposal. And if you're looking for a serious relationship then don't have sex on that next date. If he tries to pressure you into sex, then tell him that you'd like to spend some time on getting to know each other and see how he reacts.

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


Are you kidding?:

theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/12/andrew-tate-brother-tristan-arrested-romania-uk-warrant

This guy is amoral and messed up in more than one way. It looks like he converted to Islam only to be able to have a few wives, because he thinks men should be able to have multiple women or sth like that. That's all for now, because it's Holy Saturday and I don't have time nor will to discuss crap.

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


But that's not possible :))) Or I don't know what you mean exactly by "solving all my problems"...


Do you mean that he would solve all of my problems on the first date? :D ;D

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


My thoughts exactly... It would be weird for an adult person to expect something like that, imho.


You mean "women you like". Also, I'm guessing it depends on the situation - sometimes women just need someone to listen to them and sometimes they need help. Although it seems like your girlfriends maybe were in need of help quite often :P

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


You know, women are capable of being assertive when needs be and somewhat "submissive" on other occassions, depending on the situation... :) Didn't you hear that women are... complicated? lol




Good point.


Hmm, sounds a bit creepy, tbh... o_O
Well, there are different women in this world. Maybe that's the type you're attracting/choosing?


Exactly.

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


Yes, I'm fed up with that too, obviously.


Yup.


Being an introvert doesn't mean that you are socially anxious or shy, but maybe that's what people think... 🤔

Btw, it may not be the case with a group of kids, but my observation is that when an introvert spends time with one child, the kid may become calmer - it's like the child is attuning to your energy or sth. I guess it may be less "draining" to be around the kid then.