News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Then don't lie that you didn't read my post, because I called you an a$$hole.


If AI would be capable of actually inventing a new art style that would mean this is real AI and not an advanced, thieving "collage making machine". That would be at least interesting and first and foremost - legal. But that's not what current AI art generators are.


You don't know that.


No, they aren't. It seems that few people care about this, the ethical and legal issues and, as it looks like - about visual artists themselves. Human greed is clearly more important than ethics and empathy.

But we won't go without fight.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


This issue is more important than my abuse of you. I called you an a$$hole before and you read my posts anyway. So, I think it's just a lame excuse made by you - similar to those made by Novichok when he's losing an argument.


AI users won't get more "creative" ;D They will simply prompt art styles of other artists. They already do.

AI art generators aren't capable of inventing new art styles. There's one typical, generic "AI style" that those AI generators usually produce, but because it always looks the same people instantly recognise it and get bored by it. That's why they prompt art styles of existing arists. They can't create anything new on their own.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Then you will miss out on other important points that I made. And my post isn't THAT long. I think you don't want to read it for other reasons.


I didn't. Btw, do you also don't read articles, because they're "too long"? lol My post is actually a convenient to read summary of all kinds of issues raised in many articles.


That's not what I wrote. I wrote that his art style is the most popular among users of AI art generators. And those who are interested in graphic design are likely to have heard of him (like I have).


It doesn't matter how "repetitive" you find it. Even if a student of Leonardo da Vinci would paint a painting similar in style to his master, it doesn't mean that you could go to his house and steal it from him. And that's how AI art generators work - they don't "learn" to make art, they literally steal existing copyrighted works.

And I agree to a significant degree with Rutkowski - copying someone's art style is lame, but not illegal. However, using existing artwork or photographs without authors' consent is not only unethical, but simply ILLEGAL.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]

@pawian, then read it in parts when you have time before making ignorant comments.

A very short summary - AI art generators are violating copyrights of millions of artists and photographers by scrapping copyrighted art and photos from the internet without the permission of the said artists and photographers.

That's why there are law suits in the US against those AI companies - law suits put forward by visual artists and photo stock sites.

One of the artists taking part in a group law suit of artists is a popular and successful Polish graphic designer and painter Grzegorz Rutkowski - his art style was prompted in AI art generators more often than that of Picasso, Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci:

technologyreview.com/2022/09/16/1059598/this-artist-is-dominating-ai-generated-art-and-hes-not-happy-about-it/

wyborcza.biz/biznes/7,177150,28933287,smierc-autora-jak-technologia-zabija-sztuke.html

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


What "concert"? lol On the internet?? ;D


Concerts are usually attended by fans of singers or music bands. Do you think their fans would like their favourite music idols to be put out of work?

There's another issue - that of copyrights - so the ethical and legal aspect. The way AI art generators, for example, came into being and how they work nowadays is unethical and against the law. The AI companies that created them claim that AI was just "trained" on human art available on the internet and that it "learns" to make art like humans do. From what I've managed to gather and from what critics are saying - that's a lie. AI art generators are simply advanced "collage making machines". They didn't "learn" to make art (since it isn't a real AI anyway) - they are using existing artworks of artists published on the internet in order to make new ones. It gives an illusion of creating something new and original only because AI is scrapping billions of artworks and photos (including child pornography, btw), many of which are copyrighted and hence stealing from millions of artists. That's why it needs such "calculating power" and it has to be connected to the internet. Artists didn't agree for their art to be used in this way.


You're welcome.


No, AI is already capable of creating art on the level of the best human artists. So even the best in some fields are already being replaced. I'm afraid that as it progresses the best artists in any field won't be valued anymore and will be replaced.

And, btw, AI is capable of making such good looking art only because of scrapping copyrighted art. The creators of AI art generators admitted themselves that AI wouldn't be so good if it didn't scrap copyrighted art and photos and used only open source stuff instead.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


I guess you missed my comments on this forum in which I wrote that I've graduated from an art school and that I make art?

You think that wouldn't make me understand and care about art, artists and creative people in general? o_O


And they deserve to be paid. Like everyone - for their work, time and effort.


Wow, you're one cheap, selfish a$$hole.


Firstly, my guess is that many artisans and craftsmen probably enjoyed that process. Secondly, the stuff that factories produce often have to be simplified for the mass production, like furniture, for example. So there's still room for craftsmen, like people making furniture, to make something more complicated, "na wymiar" and original. And even in case of those simplified furniture - someone has to design them. So there's some room left for human creativity.

AI replaces that human creativity completely. AI bros and big corpos has sniffed money, so I'm guessing that AI will be getting only better and better and at some point human creativity won't be needed at all. That's not the future of the humankind that I'd like to see.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


Clearly.


Would you call arists, writers, singers, musicians, etc. and human creativity in general as something "worse" and "less efficient"? Something that should be replaced? Whatever for?


I keep seeing AI supporters making this (and other dumb ones) equivalent. But that's not how it works in creative professions. In creative professions people actually enjoy doing their jobs. And what AI is doing is taking away the creative process and people out of the equation. I've seen young people asking more experienced artists whether there's any point in going to art schools and choosing an art career. They feel useless, hopeless and depressed.

You know, that's not how I would like to see the future with AI. Stuff that people love doing being taken over by AI. That's just... f*cking sad.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]

@pawian, and that's the problem with people... You don't care about others... Many people will only start caring when AI comes for their jobs.

News / Brilliant Poles and Polesses - presentation [65]


:(((

The doom of us all...

Love / Polish guy canceled 3rd date on me, is he uninterested or am I reading too much into it [43]


...and keep a pepper spray or sth in your handbag, btw, just in case... Especially in case of on-line dating, I guess.

Love / Polish guy canceled 3rd date on me, is he uninterested or am I reading too much into it [43]




lol


He would say that, wouldn't he... lol

If you had doubts, that probably means it was too early for you... Don't let men pressure you into sex. A guy who's not willing to wait for it is simply not interested in you, only in sex.


Was it his initiative or yours?


I don't think it's typical just for American men... And this guy lived for 8 years in the US.

Btw, do you know from which part of Poland or city this guy comes from? What are his views? Conservative or liberal? How old the two of you are?

My advice is - wait and see. Since you proposed to meet on Sunday, this time wait for his proposal. And if you're looking for a serious relationship then don't have sex on that next date. If he tries to pressure you into sex, then tell him that you'd like to spend some time on getting to know each other and see how he reacts.

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


Are you kidding?:

theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/12/andrew-tate-brother-tristan-arrested-romania-uk-warrant

This guy is amoral and messed up in more than one way. It looks like he converted to Islam only to be able to have a few wives, because he thinks men should be able to have multiple women or sth like that. That's all for now, because it's Holy Saturday and I don't have time nor will to discuss crap.

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


But that's not possible :))) Or I don't know what you mean exactly by "solving all my problems"...


Do you mean that he would solve all of my problems on the first date? :D ;D

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


My thoughts exactly... It would be weird for an adult person to expect something like that, imho.


You mean "women you like". Also, I'm guessing it depends on the situation - sometimes women just need someone to listen to them and sometimes they need help. Although it seems like your girlfriends maybe were in need of help quite often :P

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


You know, women are capable of being assertive when needs be and somewhat "submissive" on other occassions, depending on the situation... :) Didn't you hear that women are... complicated? lol




Good point.


Hmm, sounds a bit creepy, tbh... o_O
Well, there are different women in this world. Maybe that's the type you're attracting/choosing?


Exactly.

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


Yes, I'm fed up with that too, obviously.


Yup.


Being an introvert doesn't mean that you are socially anxious or shy, but maybe that's what people think... 🤔

Btw, it may not be the case with a group of kids, but my observation is that when an introvert spends time with one child, the kid may become calmer - it's like the child is attuning to your energy or sth. I guess it may be less "draining" to be around the kid then.

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


Are you an introvert perhaps? 🤔

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]





Ah, OK, it sounded like they don't like spending time with them at all.


Oh, but do tell :))




Well, I guess then it's only fair that women will care about men's goals only if they align with what women also want :)))

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


Why the hell do men get married then?




You just wrote that they don't care about women's career goals and their wants.


lol

PolAm, sorry, but you have some narrow minded views, in my opinion... Listen, you have your traditional wife, who likes being traditional. Good for you - if that's your thing :) But there are people with different views than yours, including men. So, you keep your traditional wife, take good care of her and your kids (if you have any) and let other people live the way they want :)

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


Another bullsh1t. Are all men willing to die for their families? Defenitely not. I think that actually women are probably more likely to risk their life, die or get raped instead of their kids (since, as men like to stress - they have stronger bond with their kids, right?). I know about an instance when a mother in my region offered herself instead of her young daughters to be raped by Soviet soldiers. It happened in front of her husband. Did the husband try to stop the rapists? Well, obviously not - he'd get killed.

Similar thing happened in Ukraine during this invasion (minus husband).


Exactly. Especially that men tend to die earlier and lead less healthy lifestyles.

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


Well, you know, if you get married you should care about what your spouse wants, actually. You should care about your partner in general (and not only whether there's food on the table). At least that's how I see a normal, healthy romantic relationship - it's when both people care about what the other person wants, feels, cares about, etc. That goes both for men and women.


No, that's bullsh1t that men are telling themselves to feel better about themselves, I guess.


Men and women boxing in one ring doesn't affect birth rates. And that's what you men are so concerned about, right? You'd like those birth rates to be increased or not?


lol

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What a load of mega bullsh1t (that I've read quite a few times in other places already, btw). You guys really like to idealise yourself and bring women down, don't you lol

🤮

Btw, this is one of the most untrue and unfair stereotypes that men are propagating about women, imho (and one of the most hilarious delusions of men about themselves lol).

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


Sorry, but this is nonsense :) One doesn't exclude the other. And in Poland usually the salaries of both spouses contribute to the family budget.


We'll see.


Gee, PolAm, I didn't know that men cleaning up after themselves, putting dirty dishes into a dishwasher or cooking a meal "defy the laws of nature" LOL I guess being single is a very "unnatural" state for men, because they have to do all those things by themselves then ;D Oh, and btw, since taking care of their own children is so "unnatural" for men too, then I guess they shouldn't be getting kids after divorce, right?? 🙄


It looks like it's the other way around.

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It won't change anything - if you care, don't care, if it means anything to men or not. We're getting an education and jobs in order to secure ourselves and kids and not to impress you or whatever :)


Yeah, I was one of such kids - living in one room with two parents and a brother. No privacy and trying to fall asleep in the midst of incredibly loud snoring in the evening and a stench of digested beer knowing that I have to get up in the morning to school, doing my homework in the kitchen to have some peace and quiet, etc. I wouldn't do this to my own kids. Sorry for me having "expectations" (that's directed at male a-holes, obviously).

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


I guess that's a good point. Still - more women are graduating from universities in the US than men, just like in Poland.


What a bizarre nonsense lol You sound like you don't know anything about Poland. Plenty of women who work in Poland have kids. My mother worked most of her adult life too. And, as you can see, I was born, I'm here - the same with my brother lol :)))

Life / Neoliberalism and family formation in Poland [100]


And you're saying that based on what?


Well, if you mean the number of women studying and graduating from universities then the same can be said about the US. And not only those two countries:

nber.org/digest/jan07/why-do-women-outnumber-men-college

"The female share of college students has expanded in all 17 member-nations of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development in recent decades, so much so that women now outnumber men in college in almost all rich nations."


There's no gender pay equality in Poland. It's just the gap is smaller than in some countries.

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Pumpkin, but it didn't invade the Soviet Union together with the Nazis and didn't partition it between themselves and didn't send the Soviets to f*cking gulags and didn't deport them from their homes, didn't execute them and lie about it for decades, etc.


Oh, and you added an unrelated mention of "nazi genocide perpetrators celebrated as national heroes", because you want peace on the forum so bad, sure :))) Btw, this is why I decided to remind you of what the Soviets did in 1939 (and what today's RuSSians are defending and downplaying, just like you did).

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


Well, yeah, exactly...


You may start caring if one of those "products" from "Macierewicz's officers' factory" will become your commander though... :)

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]


Sure... lol

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@Torq, that may depend on your cousins' political views though and/or on the fact that he got promoted and got a pay rise during PiS rule, for example :)) You really don't know what was happening with the army during PiS rule?:

oko.press/fabryki-oficerow-czyli-desant-macierewicza-wojsko-polskie-raport-oko-press-o-czystkach-armii

businessinsider.com.pl/wiadomosci/pis-doprowadzilo-do-gangreny-w-polskiej-armii-generalow-sie-nie-ustawia/rs3l01x