News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


Every time they seem to go a step too far.

In the attempt to suppress the media they seem to be following Hungary. After Hungary's step, Radio Free Europe started again with its Hungarian service. It's apparently very popular.

Polish language websites will just site themselves abroad, radio stations will broadcast from Germany on high power transmitters and TV is of course slowly moving online anyway. If PiS start to try and jam radio or block websites/streaming TV, that might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of an international response.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


It's irrelevant.

If something's material to a historical investigation a historian can quote what a witness says about it. And btw, Malinowski doesn't have living children.

Do you think historians should be restricted in what they can say about dead people?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Does it need to be "reconciled" by you or I?

Just because someone allegedly did something good according to a witness, do you think that excludes the possibility of them also allegedly doing something bad according to a witness?

Do you think historians should be restricted in what they can say about dead people?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Follow the thread carefully. Read the various other links from myself and others.

There'll be plenty enough added as the scandal develops.

Do you think historians should be restricted in what they can say about dead people?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


That's what the thread is about. It's all in the links. Did you read them beyond their titles?

There's plenty yet to come over this PiS led attempt to silence historians. The next few months should be very interesting.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


I bring up? Have you been following the thread that you're pathetically trying to derail? Or read any of the links here to articles about the censorship scxandal?

It won't go away you know...

To repeat the question for a seventh time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Or independent reportage, something PiS hate.


Have you actually been following the thread?

To repeat the question for a sixth time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

A very good article here:



foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/12/polands-historical-revisionism-is-pushing-it-into-moscows-arms-smolensk-kaczynski-pis-law-justice-holocaust-law/

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


Did you seriously try to cite the TVP website in a thread on independent media?

Oh, the irony...

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Why do you think it's 'my claim'. Have you actually been following this thread? Or are you just rather pathetically trying to derail it by using failed distraction techniques?

Did you read the article in Balkan Insight?

To repeat the question for a fifth time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


100%. there's no doubt at all about this.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


And Poland's PiS-manipulated court system is not exactly respected any more, now is it....

In any case, it's not prawomocny yet; there's an appeal. It's also interesting how any court here thinks it can enforce a judgement abroad.

What did you think about the article in the link from Balkan Insight?

To repeat the question for a fourth time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


As you know, they want to suppress independent media.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


A court 70 years ago. Do you think that a 1949 'trial' should limit what academic historians can write today?

"get when you get all those " When I get? All those? Have you actually been following the thread?

To repeat the question for a third time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Do you think that a 1949 'trial' should limit what academic historians can write today?

And remember, an eyewitness more recently gave an interview that contradicted that. Do you thing that her testimony should be suppressed?

To repeat the question for a second time: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

History / Polish nobility - what is the status of princes and aristocrats in modern Poland? [33]


This isn't 'personal relations'. It's using specific titles, which is why many countries regulate them through the court system. You can't just call yourself a Duke.


The Polish nobility (magnaty) were only ever very small in number compared to gentlefolk (szlachta) who were 12 to 18% of the population..


Not in countries where this is regulated by the courts.


There are very few, and of course it's only informal since the Polish state doesn't recognise titles.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


A dead person 'libelled'!

To repeat the question: Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?


Why would a government (or their nationalistic proxies) bring such an action about an eyewitness testimony?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Nothing 'simple' about it. Nor are the individual testimonies relevant since it isn't about Malinowski's reputation (and in any case, he's dead). It's about academic freedom to publish testimonies of survivors regardless of what they say.

Do you think the eyewitness's testimony should have been censored because it reflects badly on someone?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

We're talking about Malinowo, not the politically-controlled IPN's whitewashing activities in other cases.

Did you read the article I linked to from Balkan Insight? Very critical af the government's shoddy behaviour.

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


A huge amount, considering the cost of the programme it's in the middle of or between (which is paid for by the ad revenue and nothing else), their offices, their staff costs, the cost of original content, their marketing budget, their very expensive equipment, their transmission licence and a whole host of other things.

Are you genuinely or deliberately naive?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


You're trying to change the subject.

Now, back on topic:

"A libel suit, backed by a proxy for the Polish government and its right-wing allies, against two historians is just the most recent nationalistic effort to curtail research on the Holocaust in Poland."

"the political right's thrust to rewrite or recalibrate the historical narrative of the past century "
balkaninsight.com/2021/02/10/as-history-goes-on-trial-in-poland-the-present-is-at-stake/

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


It will close down those independent outlets that operate on a small margin, and those that belong to international companies that as business units only turn small profits will fold.


See post 14.

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


You're trying to change the subject with a PiS-like distraction technique. The persecution of independent media by the authoritarian PiS regime has nothing to do with the SKOK scandal.


Did you think the printing costs of an individual advert are the main expense of any newspaper? Or are you just pretending to be daft?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

It's a noble story, based on a widely-seen Pathe newsreel film made in the 30s showing a group from the Polish Army re-enacting a famous cavalry charge. And your views on that famous director are irrelevant to the issue.


The President you mean.

Stop trying to change the subject; your PiS-like distraction techniques don't work here.

History / Polish nobility - what is the status of princes and aristocrats in modern Poland? [33]


If it's unregulated, anybody could suddenly start to call themselves counts or princes.

As unfortunately some people do in countries where titles are informal and not a matter of law.

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


That's what covers the cost of producing the news, running the TV or radio station, keeping the website going.

PiS just want to close independent media down.

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


Certainly. This has been clear all along.

It's nothing to do with 500+ (whatever any authoritarian politician pretends) and it's strange that anyone should raise this here.

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


Very. Most of the main broadcasters' websites are off.

Hopefully it will have some effect, however PiS are hell bent on bringing about a PRL-bis and don't much care what people think.

Life / Poles turn their backs on organised religion. [148]

An interesting article about the decline here:

"47 per cent of respondents now have a negative opinion of the church. And that, combined with the 41 per cent with a positive view, made the church's critics the majority for first time since 1993. Another poll found that, among young people, just 9 per cent regard the church positively."

balkaninsight.com/2021/02/08/poles-lose-faith-as-pis-drives-politicisation-of-church/?fbclid=IwAR2NPFVmeDfXhP4gTRoAaCYfiJb-74am033gIpA9vLDyWXCVSWGgRHNx6tY

Travel / Poland in photo riddles - part 2 [1680]


The canal leads from the bunker complex at Mamerki, 4km away from the sluice at Leśniewo Górne.

The two ladies? The complex has two parts, the main part was called Anna and the part where the staff lived was called Brigitten Stadt (Bridget Town).

mazury.travel/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Szlak-Fortyfikacji-Mazurskich-GB.pdf