History / Poland's borders throughout history [47]


This has happened frequently in many periods and locations. Even in the UK, however many placenames there carry their origin in different polities and languages.

Name changes have happened of course in cities that are now Polish which had earlier names. Some close to the original, some less so.


It derives apparently from the medieval German-language name Löwenberg.

History / Poland's borders throughout history [47]


That's the name when it was on the eastern fringe of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. For most of the Nineteenth Century it was of course Lemberg.

History / Poland's borders throughout history [47]

In terms of what people call things, it is similar enough. Poles refer to Lviv as Lwów as is their right.

Derry or Londonderry? Leipzig or Lipsk? Borders change (as Poland's have often enough) and linguistic heritage is a complex thing.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


It happens.


Unlikely (since the person is deceased and without descendants), and in any case usually corrected in the next edition of the book.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Which are certainly followed.

Therefore there's no reason for nationalistic organisations to sponsor politicised lawsuits or politicians to get involved, now, is there..


What claims are those?

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Who defines what is "proper research"?


There are certainly plenty of people protesting about the attempt to censor academic research.

History / Poland's borders throughout history [47]


There are certainly a few irredentists in Germany (as there are in Poland over Grodno and Lwów) however they are few nd rarely taken seriously.


Normal enough, given the location. The M4 in England has signs for Cardiff, with Caerdydd in smaller letters.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


That's what the thread's about. Stifling of academic freedom by using the courts on a technicality involving two people, of the same name in Malinowo during the war.


They did. Some nationalistic activists who sponsored a lawsuit that is causing much discussion right now. Trying to control the narrative by silencing historians.

History / Poland's borders throughout history [47]


And most American atlases probably say Warsaw rather than Warszawa.

Polish atlases say Londyn, Paryż, Rzym and Waszyngton.

As for the borders, the current ones are probably the best arrangement. There's good access to the coast, prime agricultural land and a large industrial belt.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Academics are certainly doing that at the moment!.


Professor of European Studies at Oxford University.

Google him, he writes extensively on Poland. Somewhat conservative in outlook but very sound and very impartial.


If he's so emotionally incontinent on the matter that seeing an opposing opinion causes him to lose control and disgrace himself, one would question whether an internet discussion forum is the best place for him to be.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


As you know, the ttopic was 'taken up' already, both here and extensively in the media, both here in Poland and abroad.


We've had several, nobody objected (and nobody suggested that it's anything other than the opinion of individuals).

Looks like the case in question is going to the appeal courts, as a freedom of speech matter. Even some PiS-leaning academics are weighing in about the importance of not trying to censor historians.

There's some interesting comments today by Timothy Garton-Ash on similar matters. Are you familiar with him?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


I doubt it touches most people's lives either thousands of miles away or here. Unless they're obsessives. After all, some Poles are Jews too, and the kid abroad getting hysterical and trying to justify public servants in Poland doing Hitler salutes in the street is far removed from any dispute whether real or imaginary.

As you know, the question here is not what Americans think of each other, it's whether or not historians can freely publish history books without censorship, as the current disgraceful lawsuit is trying to prevent.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Is there one? It sounds like rabid and hysterical anti-semism, rather ironic in this thread, don't you think? What have Jewish people done to hurt him so badly that he squeals and bleats constantly and boringly? He's still a kid, how have an entire ethnicity hurt him?


They don't organise rallies at all, however a lot of commentators in Poland are arguing right now that they've just lost what veneer of respectability they once aspired to.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


If he thinks the photo of him is defamation, he'll have almost the entire Polish media to sue...


There you go again...

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


There was however a photograph taken showing a Hitler salute. That much is a matter of record.


As you know, their 'neutrality' is highly questioned and this latest development does not work in their favour.

Despite your juvenile rantings.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

@Mr Grunwald
The appointment was made only a few days ago. I suspect it will prove untenable in the long rum.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Who knows what sorts of deranged acts someone might do before or after being photographed doing a Nazi salute at a fascist rally....

Apart from being appointed to a senior role at the IPN...

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


That damning picture.


Don't be silly, Ironside.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Look at the picture.


Does that preclude someone today doing the Hitlergruß while marching under a banner of hate?

It's worth reminding you at this point that "propagating fascism" is illegal in Poland.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Are you seriously trying to suggest he was doing a Hitler salute at a fascist march to channel classical mythology? Grow up, Bieggers.


Hence it being illegal in Poland.


PiS, and the slide back to totalitarianism.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Less of the weird rhetoric.

The Hitler salute is what it is; and illegal in Poland. Are you trying to pretend the guy was doing it as an homage to "the Horatii".


Grow up.

Was the painting done post-1945 with the full knowledge of Nazi atrocities in Poland or are you just making a fool of yourself?

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


So you trust people making Hitler salutes in Poland?

Not that what you trust actually counts.

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]

An excellent article about it here:

"Modern authoritarians inside the EU don't bother with censorship, they control and limit free speech through ownership and through economic means, like giving all the public advertising to the media they like and large subsidies to the public media, while punishing independent private media by tax extensions or special taxes"

notesfrompoland.com/2021/02/12/this-is-now-the-frontline-of-defending-polish-democracy-five-expert-views-on-poland-media-protest/?fbclid=IwAR2I7yUqdNP-t8OCAJz-vWo5pZSRZkc2sVYqNUj67sO7bctUqEaEWC_gZUI

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

Which makes the current shenanigans all the more sad.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]

Sadly the guy in the green teeshirt has just been appointed head of the Wroclaw branch of the IPN.

That development (and this lawsuit) just point even more to things going in a very dangerous direction.

History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


Shouldn't all decent people have at least some healthy prejudice against this?

But hey, you think this guy's organisation can be trusted in the matters of Malinowo and Jedwabne.

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History / Malinowo: Polish-Nazi Supression? [447]


The new head of the IPN in Wrocław:

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Travel / Poland in photo riddles - part 2 [1680]


Does it begin with B?

Life / Polish Music. [303]

What about this? He's done a few. I liked the recent one which reminded me of something. This is an older one afaik.

youtu.be/MHZFkspL9KA

News / Previous Poland's government corrupting the media. [125]


Unreliable gossip (or just plain fiction), and in any case, tax collection is a matter for the Urząd Skarbowy. Do you imagine they give secret exceptions to companies you don't like?


So you believe in the Communist-era policy on media ownership? Interesting. A true child of the Nomenklatura.