Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]

I doubt Hitler's ghost would be a good medium, neither would be Honecker's.....there is a huge difference between killing people wanting to get OUT and people wanting to live in your home, unasked and unwanted!

So....is that the way of a Leftie anwering a question he doesn't really like? ;)

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]

Would you defending your home and killing the burglar also call a crime? Should the killer be punished?

What is the difference to a border? Is a nation not allowed to guard its borders like its homes? To keep control who is allowed entry and who not?

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]


...that sounds rather human. Natural human reactions....but it must be said that wasn't a continous thing for all to all times.

As the Cold War startet the western allies needed the western Germans and toned down all that.....the same happened in the East. The Nazi crimes and the punishment for that faded into the background of actual politics.
As was mentioned already....it had been the "roaring Sixties", the 68er youth rebellion (if you call it like that), the next generation, which had nothing to do with that, which started to bring it to the forefront again and pointing fingers at the many ex-Nazis in gov and society....also only in the West that ist...in the East it was not much of a topic for forty years at all (especially the Holocaust that is) besides the glorious victory of Communism over Capitalism.

As I remember it became a big topic again in the course of the re-unificaton of West and East.....mainly stemming from fear of a to-strong Germany again...and unresolved reparation questions and re-negotiated borders and such...and here we are!

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]


Yeah....there isn't an East German who does not remember that from school....and it had quite the impact on us. One of the main reasons ex-GDRler are often so much more Russia-friendly than their western compatriots.

Now I have to run....'night all! :)

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]


Refreshing! :)

But alot more people do....and not apologizing/atoning enough is easily seen and called as "Nazi" and can negatively influencing a political career, national and international.

It is what it is and neither of us will change it in the near future! *shrugs*

Till tomorrow all *waves*

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]


Now that is not that radical, I think....in german we call it "Erbschaftssteuer" (Inheritence tax), and it is widely accepted, even by the rich!

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]


I doubt that actual Germans can truly apologize, they have done nothing wrong. Everything we do and say has to be fake, its the nature of the things. I think there are a few true responsible people still alive....but most are no longer!

One actual example....recently Robert Habeck, the leader of the german Greens posted on X a video with him seen walking through Auschwitz....he took part in the memorial ceremony for the 80th anniversary of the Liberation. Of course he showed atonement, his great-grandfather was a convicted Obersturmführer in the SA.

x.com/roberthabeck/status/1883957857495953822

So....tell me Iron....will he truly ever be in the right position to apologize for the deeds of his great-grandfather? And....would you ever believe him? Even knowing it has to be fake?

On the other hand, he can't do nothing, can't he? A german politician ignoring that place, that date....how would you react? Would you accept that?

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]

@Barney

Who do you think should do that? How should that work?

The moment one gov leader makes moves to restrain that wealth the holder of said wealth just moves to another country....and takes his industry, his patents, his tech with him. Leaving only unemployed and poorer people behind.

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]

Thing is....when has to take the wealth from the rich EVER made the world better?

We have now some experience with that vision...it never ended well. Maybe it's time to accept that people, economies don't work that way!

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]


There is alot of truth innit!


Frankly I think he doesn't know much about that....and how could he, a south african inventor and developer come tech mogul....

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]

.....that brings me back to my absolutely unnecessary lament earlier....the east german dictatorship from '49 to '89 was very nationalistic....we were big on flag-waving and glorifying hymn, adoring poetry and everything, after all there war nothing else to keep the people together, also something nobody seemingly took/takes offence with, surely didn't put it into one direct line with the Holocaust and the Death Camps, I guess.

But maybe one reason why the AfD finds it more easier in the eastern half of the country, today.

Polonia / Elon Musk tells Germans to "move on"! [247]

I always wondered about that.....it's nothing wrong with "never forgetting", but most people seem only be concerned with our history till '45....totally "forgetting" our history which ended '89.

All that "never again" still happened nearly as a true copy (without the death camps mind you) in one half of the country for decades afterwards, only then called "socialism". All that one-party-dictatorship with the military parades, the kids in uniform and streamlined one-opinion-media, with a populace 99% pro-gov (or else!)...quietly, disturbingly ignored!

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]

Trump was the start....now all depends if and how he "delivers". Is he successful than his allies in Europe can and will build on that, the world is watching!

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]

*nods*

And that most leftists don't acknowledge the fact that their vision and ideals helps mainly the big rich capital and their firms supports your judgement that they are just not very bright! *shrugs*

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]


Think back to '89.....the end of "history"! For decades highly guarded borders fell and people were able to move again....open borders were seen widely as a good thing, meaning freedom!

The other big part was that the economies internationalized....wandering worker masses meant less production costs because of lower salaries....for a few decades lotsa people profited from open borders and open economies, from unified countries....nobody thought that would ever change, but change it did!

The age of globalization is now ending, the economies are about to be re-nationalized....hence the anti-immigration movements are winning....at the end will be re-build borders.

But you can't say that only leftist morons were for open borders....quite the contrary....they did build an unholy alliance with the great capital, the big firms, their sworn enemy, to keep the borders open and the cheapest workforce coming. I doubt they have accepted and acknowledged that fact till now actually....

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]

....frankly IMHO the AfD is incredible successful from the opposition bank right now! There is no need to become part of the gov.

The "old" parties can't do to much differently than the AfD demands, knowing the majority of the people is behind her (in the migration question).....tricky situation for her enemies and a truly sweet spot for Weidel, Höcke and Co!

Off-Topic / AfD Party is growing ever more powerful throughout country [187]


Does that mean we won in the end??? Heh:) 😎

USA, Canada / Will Americans flee from the US to Poland? [186]

Jon is okay.....and anyhow, talking with myself and likeminded gets boring quickly! :)

USA, Canada / Will Americans flee from the US to Poland? [186]


Just waving to a crowd can easily end up in such a "salute".....it's a danger for every politician.....there are photos!


Musk a Nazi???? Wot???

• 
  Politicians making the salute....
  

USA, Canada / Will Americans flee from the US to Poland? [186]

.....at least most people tend to forget to avoid using that special form regularly....

Then there are those who use that purposely, but usually people know that when they do!

USA, Canada / Will Americans flee from the US to Poland? [186]


Look at that!

x.com/inesschwerdtner/status/1881457393231679601

It seems everybody and his grandmom makes the "Hitler-Salute" now and then.....in Germany Musk isn't the first accused of being a Nazi, look at the photos....Lauterbach (SPD) and Habeck (Die Grünen) between them....totally normal quite leftist german politicians...maybe it is time to end that witch hunt now!

USA, Canada / Will Americans flee from the US to Poland? [186]

His son has become huge....woah! :)

*just watching the roundups*

News / Will Poland help defend Greenland against US Imperialism [333]

Interesting point of view:


spiegel.de/ausland/groenland-wieso-frauen-gegen-ihren-willen-spiralen-eingesetzt-wurden-a-5f93eb04-4c1c-4cf0-899b-edf5d23511f3


It seems the whole story isn't that black and white...Trump bad, Danes good....not at all! If the Danes lose Greenland they will have only themselves to blame....

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]


...now that would be more for her adversaries. But probably it wouldn't make much sense anymore...as Weidel is rising in all popularity polls, even as she has no chance in hell of the chancellorship.


...it stays in the mind, yeah! :)

Off-Topic / 75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3 [645]

Yeah....true too.....if Netanjahu were smart(er) he would try his hardest to build something out of the Westbank...for both sides. Abbas would keep further the Hamas fanatics in check and he would keep the orthodox radical Jews in check...showing that something more is possible....that would be a big middle finger to the nutters on all sides.

News / Will PiS be happy if AfD wins elections in Germany? [1440]

The AfD have a new war cry:

"Alice for Germany".....sounds like "Alles für Deutschland"...sorry, I find that funny! :)

Can't help it...tough woman....she rules a real-boys party thoroughly....she seems to have more balls than many men!

Off-Topic / 75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3 [645]

I find it interesting that in the Westbank, where the Fatah reigns, there is peace....and in Gaza, where the Hamas rules, there is war and destruction....and yes, there is only one winner, Iran!

I guess that Abbas risks his life saying all that, puttting the blame where it belongs....

But then...even Arafat has come a long way, from a blood dripping terrorist to the handshake with Rabin in Oslo in 1993.

Off-Topic / 75 Years of Israel and the War - part 3 [645]

Na sowas....still a few brain cells left!


zeit.de/politik/ausland/2023-12/news-israel-gaza-krieg-live

I guess there would be peace possible with such a non-radical on the other side....

Off-Topic / I am a polish communist. [83]


Immigration (against non-european refugees without value for the german economy).....

Economy (neo-liberal meaning less social gifts for everybody and their non-german grandmom)....

EU (against that culture leftists gender/wokist pressure from Brussels but pro the former economical-only union EWG / the use of the Euro is debatable)....

The first three main points out of my head....there are more though!


....I never heard of that one....do you have a link?

Here the Manifesto of the AfD in English:

afd.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2017-04-12_afd-grundsatzprogramm-englisch_web.pdf

Off-Topic / I am a polish communist. [83]

She, Wagenknecht, has to rethink her party though.....after the first enthusiasm she is losing at every poll and the numbers go back to the AfD.

It seems she-only isn't enough to keep the interest....her BSW must deliver more!