No, I cannot name another country where the Nazis actually left their weapons voluntarily to a resistance army. That resistance army must've been their favourite then, if you catch my drift.
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Enemy of my enemy is my friend? Ever heard of it?
Do you honestly think those Poles would leave all that equipment and not take it at all? It wa deliberately so that it would "force" the AK forces to prolong the soviet advance, although they prioritized fighting other partisan units instead.
You're the one who was claiming that the Nazis had a tougher time in Poland than in any other country.
No, that was me ehrkhm *cough*
However, as to your question: I name Yugoslavia, a nation which fielded more than twice as many freedom fighters as Poland and which was the only nation in WWII to (largely) free itself.
That could be one of the options for sure, I will ask Crow if he knows more on the subject about the hardship of German soldaten am Jugoslavien :)
Just as you forget that the reason there was no Polish government collaborating with the Nazis is that the Nazis had no interest in there being any Polish government.
Oh they had but, none of those Poles wanted to co-operate. Even a right winged anti-Semitic organization which I can't recall the name of right now had a member whom was bribed by the Nazis (or forced idk) and he got a bullet in his head for the very idea.
Also there is a story about Goebbels wanting to make the Górale have their own mini state and saying that THEY were the original Poles and the Poles predecessors which stayed by their culture but you know what they did to that newly made mini states leader?? They got him and hanged him. Then Goebbels put that idea into the trash. (I wish I remember the links sorry but if you look hardly enough I bet you will find one)
Also Hitler and his crew had vassal states all over Europe even one they had invaded (France, Nazi-Norway etc)
So why not try to make those Poles whom a lot earlier won against the Soviet Union their ally or partner?
I bet they tried all they could!
They even had Russian troops... (a small faction considering the numbers of course) But still a faction, while the closest time of co-operation between Poles and the Germans (Nazis) was in the eastern border when the German withdraw and they "forgot" some of their arms so that nearby AK forces could pick em up after they had told them their "forgetting" some stuff.
And that was only a single event! I can't recall that it happened quiet a lot. But it did happen, once...
Name me a nation/country which was occupied by the Nazis and the Nazis had a tougher time being there!
No problem admin, so again what's the origin of Kaizerki? I really wonder it's sooo good. Impossible to be crappy! And if you want them to last longer you should freeze them geez...
Well I guess Sasha went through those same books but I don't call him "Ruski" or "Kacap" I can't recall doing so atleast. While I wouldn't been shocked if I did so with ConstantineK. I generally don't like Prussian lovers and Russian imperialists (BB is an exception)
I guess 80% of poles have a breadmaker at home, because when its another public holiday
You know that real quality food lasts very short, and crap food lasts very long because they put chemicals in it so it lasts longer... So if you buy crap food=lasts longer
If you buy quality food = lasts shorter
Same goes with milk, Polish milk is sooo good :D Quite often I eat everything I buy before the end has gone in Poland so I never have problems with it when im there for vacations :D
I love Kaizerki <3 (They have Austrian/German past right?)
Somebody asked why Poles get so "attacking" here, I answered because it was created&continued by an RUssian Imperialist what ever his (yours) motives are they would look at it as "Russian propaganda trying to put down Poland"
So if it was an stupid-non knowing Westerner (probably an American , talking out of experience not stereotype) most wouldn't been that attacking, but more explaining on why it is happening and etc.
It's like when a cat steals a dog's fish (he can rightly do so right? Because fish is typical cat's food right? but the fish is still the dog's)
So when after the 1000 time the cat tried to steal the dog's fish and asks how is the fish tasting out of pure curiosity you shouldn't be so surprised that the dog thinks "Oh he tries to steal my fish again"
Still a Cat can be a Cat and a Dog can be a Dog and the Cat has all the right to get himself some food it's just about "how" he/she does it :)
Yet we have nearly as much ppl in Yad Vashem as PL has.
My question earlier was about how many Poles do you think there are that weren't written down cause of time of war. Not everyone had a little piece of paper with him that was written "executed because he/she tried to save a Jew"
My point is, yes there were many Dutch people trying to save Jews, but those who re regarded as saviors of Jews in Poland aren't that much in Yad Vashem because there were fronts going through that place 3 times and not everybody had a piece of paper that said they helped a Jew, and everybody knows that dead can't speak among the livings.
Its like with medals for soldiers, not everyone who did something "heroic" got a medal.
that was my point thank you
what you are about? Who deny bad sides? well, maybe same are not aware about Polish bad sides during the WWII but only because there were minor in no way comparable to really heroic deeds. I mean Poles didn't have SS-division or government collaborating with Germans, action of individuals it minor and unimportant detail and you trying to make it big, I suppose for philosophical reason.
That is actually a good point
So what was the task of the Blue Police? Are you absolutely sure that PL-people at that time didn't rat on their Jewish neighbours, maybe because they were scared to death that the Nazis would kill THEIR family?
Also some wouldn't have the courage of walking outside among Poles after reporting Jews to the Nazis? You know the Polish underground wasn't "inactive"
were originally based on the Italian/Spanish/Portugese model.
Which used Hungary? (just curious)
There you go, this is plain out bragging. And the line "resisted them somewhat" fits in that bragging perfectly.
I would say adding a perfect statement about the topic?
Remember M-G that there are many unknown heroes from Poland ww2, many lie dead under that times Warsaw ruins. Those who tried to help Jews and got killed themselves with the Jews they were saving aren't numbered up right? How many dead Poles was there that tried to help Jews but failed and died by doing it? While nobody had any record of it and family members maybe thought he/she died because of underground movement fights (during Warsaw uprising)
You gotta admit that in reality I think it is a lot more Poles who helped Jews then somebody knows, just that nobody saw them or heard them? I guess there were some in Netherlands too but, not at the same scale?
Out of pure logic the Nazi German must have captured a lot of "savers" since they changed their directives when it came to punishment of those who helped Jews right?
(anyhow how many Jews Dutch ppl saved, it won't change the immage I have of the Dutch I mean come on allow drugs? what have they been smoking? :))
It is a weapon which would come in handy in war, any war. It's just that Russia doesn't like the idea of arming up and starting the race again (mostly because THEY KNOW they will lose)
Russki's see it as danger to their protection while Poles thinks of it as a bonus to their protection
Culturally = Western (when we think of the times when art and everything was coming from Italy and France? Also today fashion and food types don't come in a main stream from Russia...)
militarily = Western with eastern past
geographically = Central/Eastern (just a slightly bit of east when you consider Poland's historical borders)
wrong, peak of polish anti semitism was between 2 world wars
Nope, the peak was after ww2
Before the war it was only some line on how many Jews could get to study since the percentage was higher then the Polish population. Also later on, can't remember if it was 1938 or 1939 that at Universities there were Jewish section and non-Jewish section or something.
Later on, the Germans would become being portrayed also as the villains. Just try and count those post-war movies that contain some crazed up super evil professor who talks with a heavy German accent that he wants to rule the world. :)
... I thought he was French with a non-French accent ;)?
I'm sorry. I made a mistake here. In Sophie's Choice(Oscar winner), Sophie visits the ghetto in 1938?!
Ohh, fuew
and her Jew hating father hints the Poles had plans to exterminate the Jews before Hitler, some secret document existing to prove this extreme lie. Definitely Oscar material.
wtf?!
Only the other countries don't whine as much about it as the Poles do.
Because Poland WANTS or thinks of herself as the eternal ally of the west, but that is changing dear friend! ;)
We would be satisfied if they only wouldn't put Polish flags waving in a concentration camp. I think that was is Sophie's Choice.
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?!?!?
Would joining them not be the same as high treason against your country?
That's why many Poles don't look at commie-Poles as Poles but more of as poles :) (or just komuch they are their own "nationality")
You surely mean they purged themselves...
You are all crazy you know that?
For the last time... THE WERE SOVIETS!!! They had Jewish roots but they were SOVIETS!!! Or some even Stalinists which is worse
But given the responses here one can conclude that it must be all the Jews' own fault what happened to them, at least according to the Polish participants.
I think it was the Dutch, their behind everything! I must have read somewhere that Hitler had an Dutch assistant. It's the Dutch fault!!!! (sarcasm off)
Huge impact of "Jewish" commies were transferred to Poland right after ww2 because 1. They wanted to get rid of them (theory not fact) 2. There were not many Polish commies left to give them the control because of the purges (even at that they were most unreliable if they didn't go through the Moscow "training") (Fact)
3. The communists in prewar Poland weren't even noticed so to speak, 1 of the reasons why "Nazi's" didn't occur in Poland or hard hated commies weren't that catching was because communists were in a tiny tiny tiny tiny little fraction
"Yet the party only managed to win 130,000 votes and two seats in the November 1922 elections."
"Despite that the KPP was now to be swept into the maelstrom of paranoia and suspicion that culminated in the Moscow trials and purges. First a number of its members were accused of being agents of the Polish regime, now led by The Colonels since Pilsudski's death in 1935, and liquidated as a result. Next almost the entire leading cadre of the party were enveloped by the Purges and murdered. Among those killed were: Albert Bronkowski, Krajewski, Józef Unszlicht, Adolf Warski, Maria Koszutska, Henryk Walecki, Lenski, Stanisław Bobiński, Ryng, Józef Feliks Ciszewski, Henrykowski, Sztande, Bruno Jasieński and Witold Wandurski. And still Stalin could not trust the Polish Communists and so finally the leaderless party was declared dissolved as a hotbed of Trotskyite agents. Most of the activists perished in the Great Purge, but some - particularly lower level - remained. During Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939 they were instrumental in organizing local population in Kresy to welcome the "liberators" of the Red Army.[2]"
/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Poland
Even the workers weren't that into this party because they opposed the new Polish state and was pro-Soviet Union during the Polish-Soviet war
This party had very little influence what so ever, later on "it" suddenly had great power after the war and many of the top leaders in the party had Jewish clinging names or looked Jewish or spoke kinda like Jews would speak when they tried to speak Polish. They were noticed, it still doesn't mean that the majority of Jews were commies in Poland (thank god ^^)
There were some Jewish parties during interwar Poland Many of the Jews voted on Bund so I've heard from an former Isreali ambassador
I can remember my mom telling my about his glass or something and that's what she likes about Poland for instance, having a lot of his glass. No idea if he has any Polish ancestry or not but. His glass is here no? :)
Everywhere there were groups in the population that welcomed the German troops as they marched in.
I wonder if there were any Jews in Poland giving flowers to the Wehrmacht hoping for a better future like the times of when Prussia was ruling, right BB? ;p
