Later on, the Germans would become being portrayed also as the villains. Just try and count those post-war movies that contain some crazed up super evil professor who talks with a heavy German accent that he wants to rule the world. :)
... I thought he was French with a non-French accent ;)?
I'm sorry. I made a mistake here. In Sophie's Choice(Oscar winner), Sophie visits the ghetto in 1938?!
Ohh, fuew
and her Jew hating father hints the Poles had plans to exterminate the Jews before Hitler, some secret document existing to prove this extreme lie. Definitely Oscar material.
wtf?!
Only the other countries don't whine as much about it as the Poles do.
Because Poland WANTS or thinks of herself as the eternal ally of the west, but that is changing dear friend! ;)
We would be satisfied if they only wouldn't put Polish flags waving in a concentration camp. I think that was is Sophie's Choice.
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?!?!?
Would joining them not be the same as high treason against your country?
That's why many Poles don't look at commie-Poles as Poles but more of as poles :) (or just komuch they are their own "nationality")
You surely mean they purged themselves...
You are all crazy you know that?
For the last time... THE WERE SOVIETS!!! They had Jewish roots but they were SOVIETS!!! Or some even Stalinists which is worse
But given the responses here one can conclude that it must be all the Jews' own fault what happened to them, at least according to the Polish participants.
I think it was the Dutch, their behind everything! I must have read somewhere that Hitler had an Dutch assistant. It's the Dutch fault!!!! (sarcasm off)
Huge impact of "Jewish" commies were transferred to Poland right after ww2 because 1. They wanted to get rid of them (theory not fact) 2. There were not many Polish commies left to give them the control because of the purges (even at that they were most unreliable if they didn't go through the Moscow "training") (Fact)
3. The communists in prewar Poland weren't even noticed so to speak, 1 of the reasons why "Nazi's" didn't occur in Poland or hard hated commies weren't that catching was because communists were in a tiny tiny tiny tiny little fraction
"Yet the party only managed to win 130,000 votes and two seats in the November 1922 elections."
"Despite that the KPP was now to be swept into the maelstrom of paranoia and suspicion that culminated in the Moscow trials and purges. First a number of its members were accused of being agents of the Polish regime, now led by The Colonels since Pilsudski's death in 1935, and liquidated as a result. Next almost the entire leading cadre of the party were enveloped by the Purges and murdered. Among those killed were: Albert Bronkowski, Krajewski, Józef Unszlicht, Adolf Warski, Maria Koszutska, Henryk Walecki, Lenski, Stanisław Bobiński, Ryng, Józef Feliks Ciszewski, Henrykowski, Sztande, Bruno Jasieński and Witold Wandurski. And still Stalin could not trust the Polish Communists and so finally the leaderless party was declared dissolved as a hotbed of Trotskyite agents. Most of the activists perished in the Great Purge, but some - particularly lower level - remained. During Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939 they were instrumental in organizing local population in Kresy to welcome the "liberators" of the Red Army.[2]"
/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Poland
Even the workers weren't that into this party because they opposed the new Polish state and was pro-Soviet Union during the Polish-Soviet war
This party had very little influence what so ever, later on "it" suddenly had great power after the war and many of the top leaders in the party had Jewish clinging names or looked Jewish or spoke kinda like Jews would speak when they tried to speak Polish. They were noticed, it still doesn't mean that the majority of Jews were commies in Poland (thank god ^^)
There were some Jewish parties during interwar Poland Many of the Jews voted on Bund so I've heard from an former Isreali ambassador
I can remember my mom telling my about his glass or something and that's what she likes about Poland for instance, having a lot of his glass. No idea if he has any Polish ancestry or not but. His glass is here no? :)
Everywhere there were groups in the population that welcomed the German troops as they marched in.
I wonder if there were any Jews in Poland giving flowers to the Wehrmacht hoping for a better future like the times of when Prussia was ruling, right BB? ;p
I think the [quote=MareGaea]hose are the ones you've seen.
Let's hope so :)
Were you there?
Nope, neither was any of my grandparents but they were in Warsaw and I can't remember them telling me they were killing Jews and that they were doing it with a smile or anything really
Nazism only has a chance when things go bad economically.
Extremists in general I would say. People get desperate (my teacher from history and philosophy said that after a time they would seek a strong man like Napoleon, Hitler etc)
now, be a good boy and get me some nice red wine, grin
Ive got some in the cellar but I am not allowed to touch them sorry (I also hate wine so now you know)
after the war these ppl were duly punished, some by death, others by imprisonment.
Yeah I guess so (even "prostitutes" got their hair done in a bold fashion in Band of Brothers) biggest hamper for Poland in this matter is the lack of documentation among Western historians.[/quote] I completely agree with that one
Now how do we find our way back to the thread topic...*scratches head*
Only Norway was pretty anti-semitic, testified by this line in Norwegian law:
Constitution actually and it said No Jews&Jesuits allowed to enter the Kingdom of Norway Really weird ' I remember when reading it in history class people asked me: Who is a Jesuit? (I laughed hard inside myself LOL)
Oh pls give me a break:
I was thinking before WW2 Just the same about NL
For Sweden: Raul Wallenberg, anybody? He on his own saved about 10.000 Jewish lives, only to be arrested and left to rot in a Soviet cell after the war on suspicion of being a Western Spy.
Yes that guy fantastic I may even suppose he was a left sided guy, I was more of thinking about the large right-winged Sweeds whom were VERY pro-German ;)
There was a Nationalistic Socialist Movement in NL.
Did they have uniforms? I can recall looking at pictures with women and kids with flowers and baked bread etc without any special uniforms and such or flags
Jan Gross is a dirty liar because he unmasks the truth about Poland and the Jews
It's NOT about TRUTH it's about focusing on the wrong point!
It's like saying that 1 Marsian kills a Venusian because he was a Venusian and call him a anti-Venusian while the rest of the Marsians get's a hold of him hangs him by his balls spits at his face and even the worst scum of former Anti-Venusians says: HANG THE MURDERER!
Then really tell me if a writer then writes about the incident of that 1 Marsian killing a Venusian and IGNORING all the help the rest of the Marsians did for the Venusians which were in trouble
WTH do you CALL THAT? That is what I call Mr Gross!
There were JEWS killing JEWS in ww2! Does that make Jews anti-semitic? P`=)"?(/=!")(?"¤)=!¤)(?"=!)/ that's moronic! The only thing that is important is the national conciesness and it definatly didn't tell all Poles to murder Jews!
For pity's sake, Torque, don't strip me of my self-assurance. Well, perhaps you are right,
Don't kill his "livets løgn"!!!!! It's like killing him :/ Who would make more threads which I could read and get my laugh each morning /cry Torq your sooo evil!
I have been reading stuff that says something quite different, De Gaulle wasn't that popular until some months AFTER he "liberated" France. Also the Resistence wasn't that great, heck even Germans said "50% of it is filled with Poles"
But Polish police also helped in picking up Jews. Blue police, anyone?
That's because they would lose their job if they didn't, also a lot even helped Jews to escape and ignored seeing AK forces in the town having a pistol under his coat for instance. Seen the Pianist? The seen where he get's dragged out of the que and says he get out of here and later on "DON'T RUN!" That was taken from a moment about a Jewish girl whom a blue policeman saves in real life
If you check up the security staff you will find that Jewish police was a lot worse then the blue police too!
only your inquenchable thirst to make PL look better than the rest of the world.
It looks better then the world ;) (exept for the fjords I <3 my fjords)
Oh, and in case you're wondering:
Ive also heard stories of people giving the Germans flowers no? ;) Such a peace loving people
Must be hard for him in such a racist country like Denmark:))))
Yeah Denmark was pretty Anti-semitic before ww2 (Scandinavia in general) But weren't we talking about the Jews in the Netherlands?
Although I GOT A QUESTION: There were Jews in the Polish military in 1939 how did they do? :)
It takes a few hours’ queue to get into Polish pavilion at EXPO 2010 in Shanghai. One of its attractions is 3D stereo “Animated History of Poland” prepared Platige Image animators,
I WANT TO SEE THAT "MOVIE"!!!! I WOULD KILL FOR SEEING IT!!! :((((
Hm, I would find a statement like that from a high ranking figure in Polish public life far more grave than what an isolated idiot screams on the internet.
He just says that the "Jews" are monopolizing the holocaust...
Poles didn't do anything, right? Hm, Kielce, Bialistock, Jedwabne...
Yeah cause rest of the Poles accepted it fully I presume and the Polish underground started it no? Maybe even the PRL Poles used it in propaganda films about how cruel we Poles were we should be so ashamed and it's the pre war Poles fault and etc. Do you really have any IQ inside there? Hello?
No country has anything to brag about ... neither does Poland. It was a dark period in our history and not one country falling victim to the Nazi regime was better or worse than another.
I would say Poland was quite better in a way or another just look at the Yad Vashem...
You mean pierogi come from the Bible Land? Is that what they teach you in Norway?
No please lol If I would take Norwegian history books seriously I would say PL is a third world country with a slight sucess of economical growth and still have the attitude of Cavalry charges on German tanks, just look at Kaczynski etc TWINS governing a country! HMMMM! I am not like that so no, I don't learn from Norwegian history books or media their utter BS
If the representation on Jews in the communists party reflected the almost 20 % Jewish population in some parts of Poland
It over repesented at some point the commie part was filled with 51% members with Jewish origin (the weird thing is they joined to become polonized since other parties were either Polish or Jewish at that time (German too but their irrelevant))
BUT the main thing here is about those commies/soviets who had Polish backround and run off to CCCP and survived and got lucky by "returning" to Poland knowing a little bit of Polishness. Many of them were Jewish but they were SOVIETS that's why I think it's irrelevant if they had that or this background as all of them were pro-taking over the world and spread communism (Stalinism).
Although there was a quite huge group of Jews with no political agend which helped Soviets in 1939 (this is the most important one)
WTF are you fighting over, guys? The thread was about how many Poles may have at least ONE Jewish ancestor,
I think MAYBE that I may have a little tiny Jewish ancestry After all 1 part of my family lived in Lublin for quite a long time (although they were noblemen and looked down upon the Jews in the district you never know)
Food is a big part of being Jewish.
I have heard that a lot of Polish food have Jewish origin (OMG!!!)
You really don't have a clue, do you?
You don't have a clue about what the topic is about! ^^
However, how comes these Nazi states find sincere affirmation of Polish government? I sure, this fact should cast a shade upon reputation of PR. Shame!
I really think those Polish politicians are doing it for self benefits, Poland has always had good relations with the Baltic states (kind of different with Lithuania tho but but)
Remember, the Baltic states weren't taken over UNTIL Poland was occupied! BUT I really really really don't think Polish politicians support the Baltic states because of their Nazi tendencies really. I bet if they knew it that it's all good and ok I really think they would think it over. So instead blabbering about it you should send an E-mail to the Polish politicians ;p
Russia did not give Nazi Germany the green light to start WWII.
I also agree with that, it was the Soviet Union ^^ Do you know what Stalin said do the German commies right before Hitler got elected? "Why are you having an coalition/alliance with the socialists? Their not communists!" What did that lead to? BB can you enlighten us? ;)
Yeah I actually remember that, I called my family in Poland and wanted to talk about it. I cried when I was reading it in my school in my free time. I was really scared of Russia wanting to blow up Poland.
Minorities of Russian Empire were among most active supporters of communist's revolution in 1917 – Jews (and some remarkable Poles and Latvians) were majority in communist government until end of 20-s - beg. of 30-s –
They were first and foremost communists/Soviets although I agree that their minority background somehow influenced the negative impact on Russians
Sasha - would you please explain the picture at the bottom, Latvia & Hitler? What's that about.
Well... when the SU "liberated" Poland during WW2 the Poles seemed to think that another oppressor has changed position with the former oppressor
While in the Baltic states their "experience" of Russian hegemony in their area were quite "not so very new" the occupation of SU was just another "Russian occupation" for them.
When Das Reich invaded SU, coming up the Baltic states they saw first and foremost German soldiers, not mass murdering crazy people. Remember during the inter-war time the Baltic states were very pro-Germany (there is a reason why Lithuania was her own state and not with Poland)
When they joined the SS they didn't do it because "Wohoo we are mass murderers and they are it too bezt friends <3"
It was foremost because Nazi Germany was vs SU Of course as any organization they had their weirdos.
(I myself wouldn't even consider joining any SS stuff just so that is CLEAR!!!) But they got their weeeeird reasons ;) (independence pfff what's that?)
prussia was a vassal to poland? seriously, what are some of you on?? hmm
It is a historical fact dumb ass lol
Check out 1525 Hołd Pruski (Prussian homage)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Homage
Just so you know, it took Prussia, Austria and Russia together to take down Poland (Poland-Lithuanian commonwealth)
Just in case you didn't know lol
IM big fan of his, show me other person who try to convince others to his/her point of view that hard when almost entire forum is against him!
That is admirable! I tried once on a random forum full of Norwegians discussing "How about a new political party in Norway? The Monarch Party of Norway!" Those feministic-socialistic @$$hole$!!!
I know ive watched all of them (I think) Was reading some too So fricking funny lol I just love the German character! ^^ (poor lad having to survive Italy)
